Should we be blamed for the actions of nine men?

A gang of men from Rochdale who preyed on young girls for sex were found guilty yesterday.

Nine out of the eleven who were arrested and put on trial were convicted for the crimes.

The high-profile case brought much media attention and was immediately turned into a race and a religious issue.

Media reports again referred to the case with un-related terms like "Muslim Men" and "Pakistani", re-enforcing the reporting bias which has ran throughout the case.

Here are just some of the points that need to be addressed on this case.

• Our sympathies are with the families of the abused girls as well as those of the convicted men who have had to go through so much in the last months • We need to move beyond the discussion where we internalise the debate to race or religion.

• No doubt, the criminal actions of these men are bad and those convicted have been sentenced. The wider context is how is it that young girls are falling into the arms of such people? men who are nearly double and triple their ages?

• The groomers did not live in a bubble, but the same society where all of us are growing. We are all susceptible to the growing sexual influences through Media, Celebrity culture, what we see on adverts and billboards and movies, all of which hugely affect our ideas on how men view women and vice versa. Society is already hugely sexualised and some people, like these men, take it to the extreme to fulfil ‘Fantasies’ or ego issues • The statistics on the issue are still incomplete as not all cases are reported. Hence the Media witch hunt on the issue is un-justified in labelling Pakistani men in having a monopoly on this particular criminal activity • There is a clash of values in terms of what Islam promotes as Social values for men and women and what the host society pushes forward. Young British Pakistanis growing up feel the full force of this culture, just like every one else, even in places like schools where in PHSE lessons pupils are offered the option of contraception. Hence sex is promoted at a young age. This is a lifestyle choice unacceptable in Islam. Instead muslims are encouraged to get married and lead a healthy Family life.

In doing so, we would create responsible men and women who value each others contribution to society, as opposed to looking at each other in a sexual way.

•Islam is far away from the behaviours of these men just as is the 'in your face' sexual culture and attitudes that are found readily available • The Pakistani Community in Rochdale will not allow the far-right, EDL and BNP, to use this case to further their intellectually bankrupt agendas • The Pakistani Community cannot be held responsible for the criminal actions of individual people • As a Pakistani community we need to begin to shift the debate on this issue which has been polarised heavily to make us internalise the discussion and feel guilty entirely for the issue.

Instead, the Debate should be widened and explored further onto the underlying discussions which is 'How are these Sexual Predators created?'

Majed Iqbal is Rochdale based writer and commentator. Also see: majedsblog.wordpress.com/

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3:30pm Wed 9 May 12

Ray Gunn says...

the sad thing about your article is that it's not just nine men...have a look through you archives, also further a field...there was the case of the muslim men in derby...also another current case in oxford...this is NOT an isolated incident, in my opinion it's the islamic way of life that a muslim man cant have sex with a muslim female until they are married...so what do they do have sex with white girls, but girls old enough to have sex dont want to know, so they pick on children...filthy racist paedos...simple
the sad thing about your article is that it's not just nine men...have a look through you archives, also further a field...there was the case of the muslim men in derby...also another current case in oxford...this is NOT an isolated incident, in my opinion it's the islamic way of life that a muslim man cant have sex with a muslim female until they are married...so what do they do have sex with white girls, but girls old enough to have sex dont want to know, so they pick on children...filthy racist paedos...simple Ray Gunn
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10:38pm Wed 9 May 12

Fightback says...

Total nonsense, in conservative Egypt muslim gangs abduct and rape hundreds of Coptic christian girls, in ultra conservative Pakistan its the catholic girls who get raped. What you are giving us the standard muslim deflection tactic, used after 7/7 bombings. Mildly condemn fellow muslims then switch the blame to western society and foreign policy. Muslims therefore are the true victims. This victimhood is always practiced by those who hate others, the Nazis used it and so did the racist Afrikanners to defend apparteid, now muslims use it. Quite simply if your Imams/elders teach muslim boys from a very early age that girls that dont dress modestly or who have some freedom (equality) are whores and that generally non muslims are inferior to your own community then its entirely predictable that when a 11 year vulnerable white girl comes along there is not going to be gentlemanly concern for her welfare from Muslim men. My female relatives in Bradford have told me about some of the harrassment and filth they have to deal with when visiting the city centre and its never from white men. We are not dirty Kafirs, we are not inferior and we are not impure, we are humans like you and our children deserve to be safe.
Total nonsense, in conservative Egypt muslim gangs abduct and rape hundreds of Coptic christian girls, in ultra conservative Pakistan its the catholic girls who get raped. What you are giving us the standard muslim deflection tactic, used after 7/7 bombings. Mildly condemn fellow muslims then switch the blame to western society and foreign policy. Muslims therefore are the true victims. This victimhood is always practiced by those who hate others, the Nazis used it and so did the racist Afrikanners to defend apparteid, now muslims use it. Quite simply if your Imams/elders teach muslim boys from a very early age that girls that dont dress modestly or who have some freedom (equality) are whores and that generally non muslims are inferior to your own community then its entirely predictable that when a 11 year vulnerable white girl comes along there is not going to be gentlemanly concern for her welfare from Muslim men. My female relatives in Bradford have told me about some of the harrassment and filth they have to deal with when visiting the city centre and its never from white men. We are not dirty Kafirs, we are not inferior and we are not impure, we are humans like you and our children deserve to be safe. Fightback
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9:25pm Thu 10 May 12

freddie_W says...

What complete and utter biased garbage.

You are condoning and excusing the actions of these disgusting excuses for men on a free Western society, a free Western society is far more preferable to the evil doctrine of Islam. You quote= Islam is far away from the behaviour of these men" but it is not, this is far away from an isolated incident within the Pakistani community is it not. Islam is the problem, the doctrine encourages the total disrespect of none Muslims as far as white underage English girls are concerned anything goes in Islam, this is not surprising as the Kafir the none believer is the lowest form of life cursed by Allah.

In Countries with Islamic constitutions Christians and people who follow other faiths are beaten raped and murdered every day, Islam is the only religion on the planet actively hostile to all other religions. If Muslims in the UK Dislike western societies so much why don't they go and live in a Country with a Muslim constitution. The host Society and its people have a right to their own beliefs and culture this comes before Immigrants and children of immigrants from Muslim Countries who do not respect their adopted Country. wherever Muslims go there is always trouble i wish as do most of the indigenous British population Muslims were a problem we did not have.
What complete and utter biased garbage. You are condoning and excusing the actions of these disgusting excuses for men on a free Western society, a free Western society is far more preferable to the evil doctrine of Islam. You quote= Islam is far away from the behaviour of these men" but it is not, this is far away from an isolated incident within the Pakistani community is it not. Islam is the problem, the doctrine encourages the total disrespect of none Muslims as far as white underage English girls are concerned anything goes in Islam, this is not surprising as the Kafir the none believer is the lowest form of life cursed by Allah. In Countries with Islamic constitutions Christians and people who follow other faiths are beaten raped and murdered every day, Islam is the only religion on the planet actively hostile to all other religions. If Muslims in the UK Dislike western societies so much why don't they go and live in a Country with a Muslim constitution. The host Society and its people have a right to their own beliefs and culture this comes before Immigrants and children of immigrants from Muslim Countries who do not respect their adopted Country. wherever Muslims go there is always trouble i wish as do most of the indigenous British population Muslims were a problem we did not have. freddie_W
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10:37pm Fri 11 May 12

heatha says...

"but it is not, this is far away from an isolated incident within the Pakistani community"

Seriously?
We need to hear more voices condemn these agains within the Muslim community.
It's not just nine and you know it.Yet still write it. Disingenuous.

In the United States of America recently we had 29 people who were in a Somalian Muslim gang,arrested in Minnesota for running a pedo prostitution ring.
So its not just Pakistani's which to me proves its the culture.
"but it is not, this is far away from an isolated incident within the Pakistani community" Seriously? We need to hear more voices condemn these agains within the Muslim community. It's not just nine and you know it.Yet still write it. Disingenuous. In the United States of America recently we had 29 people who were in a Somalian Muslim gang,arrested in Minnesota for running a pedo prostitution ring. So its not just Pakistani's which to me proves its the culture. heatha
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11:20pm Mon 14 May 12

255.255.255.0 says...

freddie_W wrote:
What complete and utter biased garbage.

You are condoning and excusing the actions of these disgusting excuses for men on a free Western society, a free Western society is far more preferable to the evil doctrine of Islam. You quote= Islam is far away from the behaviour of these men" but it is not, this is far away from an isolated incident within the Pakistani community is it not. Islam is the problem, the doctrine encourages the total disrespect of none Muslims as far as white underage English girls are concerned anything goes in Islam, this is not surprising as the Kafir the none believer is the lowest form of life cursed by Allah.

In Countries with Islamic constitutions Christians and people who follow other faiths are beaten raped and murdered every day, Islam is the only religion on the planet actively hostile to all other religions. If Muslims in the UK Dislike western societies so much why don't they go and live in a Country with a Muslim constitution. The host Society and its people have a right to their own beliefs and culture this comes before Immigrants and children of immigrants from Muslim Countries who do not respect their adopted Country. wherever Muslims go there is always trouble i wish as do most of the indigenous British population Muslims were a problem we did not have.
What these guys have done is aweful but again its become the usual case of paint em all with the same brush. child **** seems to be very rife in the white community. but you wont see a 'field day' in comments section. Also, if you cant differentiate between culture and religion then you are bigoted. god help you. the anti british sentiment and immigration comes from several illegal wars in the middle east. killing of innocent men women and children by british soldiers, whilst your sat there as arm chair politician assuming you know everything, you should see yourself from the other side, you look a right dufus. O naturally this country has a responsibility to clean up its image. after the mess they have caused in the middle east.
[quote][p][bold]freddie_W[/bold] wrote: What complete and utter biased garbage. You are condoning and excusing the actions of these disgusting excuses for men on a free Western society, a free Western society is far more preferable to the evil doctrine of Islam. You quote= Islam is far away from the behaviour of these men" but it is not, this is far away from an isolated incident within the Pakistani community is it not. Islam is the problem, the doctrine encourages the total disrespect of none Muslims as far as white underage English girls are concerned anything goes in Islam, this is not surprising as the Kafir the none believer is the lowest form of life cursed by Allah. In Countries with Islamic constitutions Christians and people who follow other faiths are beaten raped and murdered every day, Islam is the only religion on the planet actively hostile to all other religions. If Muslims in the UK Dislike western societies so much why don't they go and live in a Country with a Muslim constitution. The host Society and its people have a right to their own beliefs and culture this comes before Immigrants and children of immigrants from Muslim Countries who do not respect their adopted Country. wherever Muslims go there is always trouble i wish as do most of the indigenous British population Muslims were a problem we did not have.[/p][/quote]What these guys have done is aweful but again its become the usual case of paint em all with the same brush. child **** seems to be very rife in the white community. but you wont see a 'field day' in comments section. Also, if you cant differentiate between culture and religion then you are bigoted. god help you. the anti british sentiment and immigration comes from several illegal wars in the middle east. killing of innocent men women and children by british soldiers, whilst your sat there as arm chair politician assuming you know everything, you should see yourself from the other side, you look a right dufus. O naturally this country has a responsibility to clean up its image. after the mess they have caused in the middle east. 255.255.255.0
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1:23am Sun 20 May 12

Yusufd says...

What you have to remember is that these perverts would have sex with anything female and of any age post puberty. So thats 11 upwards and if you think for one minute they would respect an Asian girl more you are wrong. The only reason the victims were all white is because they are in the care system. They have no one to look after them. The majority of Asian girls have families that take care of them and arent easily available to groom. Therefore the racial issue although an element is secondary to sexual explotiation. As for the Police you need to take these allegations when report because they all were more seriously and do your jobs not blame Mosques, cultures and race as reason not to act.
What you have to remember is that these perverts would have sex with anything female and of any age post puberty. So thats 11 upwards and if you think for one minute they would respect an Asian girl more you are wrong. The only reason the victims were all white is because they are in the care system. They have no one to look after them. The majority of Asian girls have families that take care of them and arent easily available to groom. Therefore the racial issue although an element is secondary to sexual explotiation. As for the Police you need to take these allegations when report because they all were more seriously and do your jobs not blame Mosques, cultures and race as reason not to act. Yusufd
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