Horsemeat found in halal burgers at Lancashire schools (From Asian Image)

Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace.

To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven!

If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?

Big issue and need some serious work.....

Hanif Daudhwala, a Halal expert at the LCM is also part of HMC (Halal Monietring Committee) - Is that not a conflict of interest and why only KQF. I think there is a business interest there.....

district01 wrote:
Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace. To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven! If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?

become vegetarian.

Quite simple. Don't put halal meat in school dnners

What do the council expect when there buying the cheapest,cut backs to save money for there own pockets mmm,we pay enough money for school dinners that are supposed to be healthy,what else is going to come to light makes you wonder,give your kids packed lunches at least you know what there eating.

moh wrote:

district01 wrote:
Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace. To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven! If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?

become vegetarian.

I also think that politics is very similar to the meat industry. Both are motivated by self interests. Therefore would you suggest that rather than showing common sense that I don’t vote either?

To live your life based on unproven religious beliefs that cause unjustified harm to other living things is also a disgrace that any so called religion should be ashamed over!

It may come as a surprise to some but eating non-halal meat will not kill or harm muslims

- I've tried - it didn't ;0)

The ONLY issue here is the mis-labelling of food; something we are all unhappy about, not just our muslim neighbours.

Keep up the good, sorry, average work county leader Geoff Driver, and don't forget that nobody voted in this 'so-called' council of mosques (or is it a pressure group??), so please feel free to ignore them in the continuation of your democratic duties.

district01 wrote:

moh wrote:

district01 wrote:
Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace. To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven! If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?

become vegetarian.

I also think that politics is very similar to the meat industry. Both are motivated by self interests. Therefore would you suggest that rather than showing common sense that I don’t vote either?

To live your life based on unproven religious beliefs that cause unjustified harm to other living things is also a disgrace that any so called religion should be ashamed over!

How would you go about 'proving' any faith topic?

Is this a secret ploy by the council to save on free school meals. At last the council have come up with a clever idea. Just scrap the halal meat at schools save a fortune in free meals.

Thirty years ago burgers didn't feature on most school dinner menus nor did most of the other processed junk as the food was prepared in the kitchens or supplied from a central kitchen. During the cutbacks of the Thatcher Government all that changed with disastrous results in terms of quality and provision and despite some improvements under the last Labour Government the downward spiral has continued. When will we learn?

If it is certified halal meat then questions need to be asked of the Muslim butchers supplying the meat. Halal is a cruel way to slaughter any animal and should be outlawed in this country. As for blaming LCC for this mess I suggest cllr Mulla does his home work. LCC should drop halal meat from it's menu and not return to it. Eating non halal won't either. Perhaps it could be called cultural integration.

let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us

let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us

What more can any1 say apart from its Halal

Sham wrote:
Hanif Daudhwala, a Halal expert at the LCM is also part of HMC (Halal Monietring Committee) - Is that not a conflict of interest and why only KQF. I think there is a business interest there.....

telegraph should investigate this link lcm if this is true you are a disgrace to yourself and the community

im not racist or ewt but its just not the muslims thats afected the english kids also are affected so y not say ALL children whose parents that are bothered to send kids in with packed lunches as im a mother aswell and my kids go to a muslim based school and eat halal meat so im arguing this because they dont eat normal meat which i think we shud av a choice if english kids can eat non halal meat in schools horse dna has been found in different foods we ALL are affected i think its wrong to single out people because to me its racist to the english and muslims wud protest if we sed exact same

mixmaster wrote:

Sham wrote:
Hanif Daudhwala, a Halal expert at the LCM is also part of HMC (Halal Monietring Committee) - Is that not a conflict of interest and why only KQF. I think there is a business interest there.....

telegraph should investigate this link lcm if this is true you are a disgrace to yourself and the community

Ignore the jeal. Comments such as this only shows signs of envy and no doubt was 'booned' by KQF!!!

It was outlawed in this country until the law was changed in 1991 to accommodate this 7th century barbaric practice! This country has bent over backwards to change laws to appease muslims, because they know if they don't there will be a good chance of trouble!

which is sooo wrong

district01 wrote:

moh wrote:

district01 wrote:
Coun Mulla said: “This is shameful. It is a disgrace. To kill defenceless animals by bleeding them to death because of an unproven faith belief is also a disgrace. You can’t trust the cruel meat industry and no meat can now be trusted to be what it is as the many present findings have proven! If there is an all mighty being out there perhaps it’s trying to tell you what your doing is wrong?

become vegetarian.

I also think that politics is very similar to the meat industry. Both are motivated by self interests. Therefore would you suggest that rather than showing common sense that I don’t vote either?

To live your life based on unproven religious beliefs that cause unjustified harm to other living things is also a disgrace that any so called religion should be ashamed over!

Meat should be outlawed altogether regardless whether it is slaughtered according to Kosher or Halal beliefs or even stunned prior to being slaughtered.
To stun an animal, would be in comparision to using a mallet on the animal then cutting it to pieces, self believing that all is in accordance to showing love to the animal by causing it no pain. Total lunatics in perfect fashion.
The importance of draining blood from an animal by Kosher or Halal procedure, preventing the blood remaining within the animal as it would cause extreme harm when consumed and more importantly a quick loss of blood pressure and the brain instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain. Scientific research confirms this to be an accurate analysis and government officials are reluctant in banning Halal and Kosher rituals. Some would argue this to be barbaric.
So either way ban it altogether, because true animal lovers, infact vegetarians would see no difference between the 'two' parties regardless what procedure is used to see the animal on the dinner plates.

georgethebrave wrote:
It was outlawed in this country until the law was changed in 1991 to accommodate this 7th century barbaric practice! This country has bent over backwards to change laws to appease muslims, because they know if they don't there will be a good chance of trouble!

Shut up you total piece of ham flower.

I'm curious to know which schools have halal meat, dare I assume CofE and RC schools don't !!!!

As for charge of cruelty to animals in slaughtering them the Islamic way, it has now been proved scientifically that Halal slaughter is the humane method while western method of killing by stunning inflicts acute pain to the animals. Professor Schultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany disclosed this after the following experiment. They implanted several electrodes surgically at various points of the skull, just touching the brain of several animals under test. Then some animals were slaughtered by a swift deep incision as desired by Islamic Shariah, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides as also the trachea and oesophagus while others were stunned using a captive bolt pistol as is done in western countries. EEG and ECG were recorded on all the animals under experiment. The experiment amazingly revealed that the animal brain did not feel pain as EEG recorded zero even when the animal’s body was convulsing vigorously, letting out the blood in the Halal method of slaughter. On the other hand EEG showed intense pain immediately after stunning in the western captive bolt stunning method, even though the animals were unconscious.

georgethebrave wrote:
It was outlawed in this country until the law was changed in 1991 to accommodate this 7th century barbaric practice! This country has bent over backwards to change laws to appease muslims, because they know if they don't there will be a good chance of trouble!

Nothing that a swift swing with a lump of willow wouldn't solve.

NAY, not this again!!!!!!!!!

mixmaster wrote:
As for charge of cruelty to animals in slaughtering them the Islamic way, it has now been proved scientifically that Halal slaughter is the humane method while western method of killing by stunning inflicts acute pain to the animals. Professor Schultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany disclosed this after the following experiment. They implanted several electrodes surgically at various points of the skull, just touching the brain of several animals under test. Then some animals were slaughtered by a swift deep incision as desired by Islamic Shariah, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides as also the trachea and oesophagus while others were stunned using a captive bolt pistol as is done in western countries. EEG and ECG were recorded on all the animals under experiment. The experiment amazingly revealed that the animal brain did not feel pain as EEG recorded zero even when the animal’s body was convulsing vigorously, letting out the blood in the Halal method of slaughter. On the other hand EEG showed intense pain immediately after stunning in the western captive bolt stunning method, even though the animals were unconscious.

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georgethebrave wrote:

mixmaster wrote:
As for charge of cruelty to animals in slaughtering them the Islamic way, it has now been proved scientifically that Halal slaughter is the humane method while western method of killing by stunning inflicts acute pain to the animals. Professor Schultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany disclosed this after the following experiment. They implanted several electrodes surgically at various points of the skull, just touching the brain of several animals under test. Then some animals were slaughtered by a swift deep incision as desired by Islamic Shariah, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides as also the trachea and oesophagus while others were stunned using a captive bolt pistol as is done in western countries. EEG and ECG were recorded on all the animals under experiment. The experiment amazingly revealed that the animal brain did not feel pain as EEG recorded zero even when the animal’s body was convulsing vigorously, letting out the blood in the Halal method of slaughter. On the other hand EEG showed intense pain immediately after stunning in the western captive bolt stunning method, even though the animals were unconscious.

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Nevermind how you personally regard Halal or Kosher slaughter, it is scientifically proven and a preferred method than stunning. If you 'animal lovers' are so concerned, abstain from meat consumption and whilst restraining yourself, also prevent yourself from nest pinching, because until then I will regard you and other of your chums as thieves for stealing eggs!!!

I'm thinking of going to a Muslim country, setting up a English school, with a church, only speak in English when other Muslims are around! I may also kick off about my meat not being slaughtered but killed the halal way! I wonder how tolerant that country will be??? We are to soft in the UK! Oz, USA, France etc, if you don't follow their rules/way of life, then they politely tell you to sod off!!! Sorry if it seems I'm being to critical, but it's getting to much! Oh and I LOVE horse meat, had it in France and I'm still alive!!

georgethebrave wrote:

mixmaster wrote: As for charge of cruelty to animals in slaughtering them the Islamic way, it has now been proved scientifically that Halal slaughter is the humane method while western method of killing by stunning inflicts acute pain to the animals. Professor Schultz and Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany disclosed this after the following experiment. They implanted several electrodes surgically at various points of the skull, just touching the brain of several animals under test. Then some animals were slaughtered by a swift deep incision as desired by Islamic Shariah, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides as also the trachea and oesophagus while others were stunned using a captive bolt pistol as is done in western countries. EEG and ECG were recorded on all the animals under experiment. The experiment amazingly revealed that the animal brain did not feel pain as EEG recorded zero even when the animal’s body was convulsing vigorously, letting out the blood in the Halal method of slaughter. On the other hand EEG showed intense pain immediately after stunning in the western captive bolt stunning method, even though the animals were unconscious.

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dean555 wrote:
I'm thinking of going to a Muslim country, setting up a English school, with a church, only speak in English when other Muslims are around! I may also kick off about my meat not being slaughtered but killed the halal way! I wonder how tolerant that country will be??? We are to soft in the UK! Oz, USA, France etc, if you don't follow their rules/way of life, then they politely tell you to sod off!!! Sorry if it seems I'm being to critical, but it's getting to much! Oh and I LOVE horse meat, had it in France and I'm still alive!!

Or you could go to Israel and throw open your shirt buttons exposing your hairy chest.
How long will those thich growth remain as your chest wig, will soon become apparent!

Or you could emigrate to a more suitable surrounding!

mixmaster wrote:
let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us

Nice to see that you didn't learn ENGLISH at school.

drunken donut wrote:

mixmaster wrote:
let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us

Nice to see that you didn't learn ENGLISH at school.

What's grammar got to do with the legitimate information being posted. Your comment is typical of a person unable to reply in response and can only conclude your knowledge capabilities are limited to a person of subnormal intelligence.

sen c b l wrote:

drunken donut wrote:

mixmaster wrote: let me first say im a muslim born n bred blackburn this lancashire council of mosques in no way reprisent the muslim community they are not the voice of the commuinty they do nothing for community spirit in anyway shape or form big empty mosques just used for prayers and then locked up nothing for woman n children to do strictly male dominated mosques not the halal meat thing ok horse dna found in halal meat so what mistakes can and do happen how dare you call for heads to roll in the council when they do such a brillient job in catering for muslim needs in schools i say to lancashire council dont give into these lcm bullies they burning bridges with thier words rather than building bridges they have no wisdom in how to deal with things just want the wider community to know lcb does not reprsent the muslim community we can decide for ourselves whats best for us

Nice to see that you didn't learn ENGLISH at school.

What's grammar got to do with the legitimate information being posted. Your comment is typical of a person unable to reply in response and can only conclude your knowledge capabilities are limited to a person of subnormal intelligence.

well said Mr S