First Islamic free school approved for Blackburn (From Asian Image)

Quote:“It will further undermine much of the progress towards community cohesion. We are on our way to a completely segregated schooling system.

"It is going to develop potential social problems in the future.”Unquote

Buddy, you are already in a segregated society, both in schooling and day to day life.

slammer wrote:
Quote:“It will further undermine much of the progress towards community cohesion. We are on our way to a completely segregated schooling system. "It is going to develop potential social problems in the future.”Unquote Buddy, you are already in a segregated society, both in schooling and day to day life.

Yes but this path will only make things twice as bad as they already are.
Maybe not immediately but as these kids start leaving these schools and have been brought up in a segragated environment (and you know it will be) both at school and at home then as far as our supposedly multi-cultural society is concerned I cant see anything but negatives about that!
After all; the term multi-cultural is supposed to be one of harmony and integration... not just a lot of seperate cultures living in seperate isolated environments.
I for one never bought the idea but now to pamper to the extremists of all kinds is madness.
But hey; why am I not suprised!

No doubt the old accusations of 'Racism' will be levied at anyone who disagrees, but as anyone with half a brain knows by now this is only a way of trying to silence the debate.

Speaks volumes as to what Blackburn has become.

Yet turn it on its heel and see where that gets you. You wouldn't stand a chance in hell of a school that didn't allow Muslims.

And before the do-gooders hit me with the racist rant, it's not racist. It's fact.

I have to agree with the comments above .Its sad the way the town going.But I will be happy if the muslems welcomed at St wilfrids are now encouraged to attend their own school and let us get on with the teachings of the lord jesus without any watering down to suit the minority

Its sad the way the towns going,but Iwill be happy if the muslims welcomed into St Wilfrids CHURCH OF ENGLAND academy are now encouraged to attend this new muslem school .

John Whitaker Straw - Thanks!

congratulations to mufti hameed and co. very well done, look forward to sending my children there.

i am Muslim and in fairness i am with Jarisleif5. in what is said there. we need to be pushing community cohesion not segregating what is already a highly segregated community.

Bet there's not the headlines in the LT about this like there was about St Wilfreds stance

Well guys, you talking about community cohesion and integration. however it is the host community who do not want to integrate with minority. look at Lammack and Packgate the white people who live there don't send their kids to either Lammack or pleckgate which are on their door step, but drive to even other otwn and if you look at reasults of the girls school its a pride and joy for whole Blackburn!! And I believe it will be repeated for the Boys as well.

It really is the same old, same old! Segregation has to do with a lot more than 'just' being Muslim. It is always the negative aspects of any community not perceived as indigeneous that get dragged out. Cohesion is about a lot more than schools too. The issues about segregation affect kids attending community schools too, as it has to do with their family, not where they attend school. From the article, the quotes of the Head of the current girls' school and the community service that the future students of the boys' school will be undertaking, sound very positive. If these youngsters will grow up with a positive attitude about their religion, family, WIDER community and just how lucky they are to be able to practice their faith in a non-Muslim country, then I can only see that as being good for not just Blackburn, but the UK generally. Also, if their results are as amazing as the current girls' school, then we will be seeing some very educated young men in the future, who will I am sure, benefit the area.
Good luck.

typo "own"

Only this week the ET had an article about an Asian mum in Nelson not paying her children's school fees at a Muslim school. She said she wanted the best education for her children. A few yards, nay, make that feet, from the school, which was in a former old garage/workshop/gym is a Lancashire County Council, nursery, infant and junior school. All have passed Ofsted inspections with flying colours and are of course, free.
They also have a 98% Asian to white pupil ratio. So what is it that this woman wants? I certainly do not know.

ALL faith schools are bad... Ask one question. Will the children be taught about evolution in their science class? or will they be told our planet is just a few thousand years olds, and made by 'Allah'.........It's just wrong; divisive and wrong

What a bizarre decision. It's as if someone wants to foment division?

What happened to Great Britain???
This country is becoming a disgrace by the minute, you wouldn't see a Christian church going up in any eastern countries, so why does this town and country allow it. Makes me want to get out even more!

Catkin wrote:
It really is the same old, same old! Segregation has to do with a lot more than 'just' being Muslim. It is always the negative aspects of any community not perceived as indigeneous that get dragged out. Cohesion is about a lot more than schools too. The issues about segregation affect kids attending community schools too, as it has to do with their family, not where they attend school. From the article, the quotes of the Head of the current girls' school and the community service that the future students of the boys' school will be undertaking, sound very positive. If these youngsters will grow up with a positive attitude about their religion, family, WIDER community and just how lucky they are to be able to practice their faith in a non-Muslim country, then I can only see that as being good for not just Blackburn, but the UK generally. Also, if their results are as amazing as the current girls' school, then we will be seeing some very educated young men in the future, who will I am sure, benefit the area. Good luck.

very well put couldnt have put it any better

bigjohn998 wrote:
ALL faith schools are bad... Ask one question. Will the children be taught about evolution in their science class? or will they be told our planet is just a few thousand years olds, and made by 'Allah'.........It's just wrong; divisive and wrong

They will be taught the national curriculum, which includes evolution, as most Muslim schools teach.
They will also be taught the Islamic point-of-view.
As evolution is a theory, I don't see why it is wrong for pupils to be given both sides of the story.
It is their human right to choose whether to believe the evolution theory or not. This way, they can make an informed decision.
Unlike state schools where evolution is rammed down your throat, and taught as 'fact'.

:) Open your mind

I am glad that my boy has a option of a new school when he is ready. I myself went through drugs/girls etc. Too much DISTARCTION. Unluckily for me at the time this happened my parents had very little awareness, bless them they did what they could. Today I regularly hear about how well the TauheedulIslamGirlsH
ighSchool is doing with grades and overall behavior and what have you, also tackleing teenage pregnancy and its things like this that the school such as this gets them overall ready for , being a more responsible adult.

My sisters went to the TIGH's in the very first years of it opening and they struggled with grades and carreers but this has changed now. There sacrifices has not only made the TIGH's shine in Blackburn but also enabled a Boy School. I hope it does well.

One thing important whilst being a student is that you need to resepect the teacher and only then you will learn. I feel that today we have lost that because of too much distraction , disrespect and law siding the child and not the teacher. My eldest son goes to a Darul Tawheed and one thing they do learn is to respect adults, teachers etc. I have seen with my own eyes that this makes a great difference.

Teenagers today are like mini-gods and its today's parents and the law thats hep doing this , if anything its schools that helps them realize that its not.

For this to happen it requires discipline and with that a little or no distraction helps .

BIG UP and BLESS EVERYONE :)

This was always going to be the consequence of the new Coalition Government's Free School policy - increased social and religious segregation.

At least when Tauheedul Girls School became a state school it had to do so on the basis that it was the same as St Wilfreds or St Bedes. It was part of the local system and the Council had powers to monitor the school and make sure it stuck to the National Curriculum.

Tauheedul Boys School is a 'Free School', state funded by a law unto itself. The local council has no say in how it is run. It is not checked on by anyone, does not need to teach the National Curriculum and does not even need to employ qualified teachers.

The consequences of the Free Schools policy in Blackburn will be dire.

I have just had a look at their website. Their Girls school gets 98% 5 A*-C with English and Maths. My daughter’s ‘integrated’ school gets 33%. I’ll have some of their segregation any day if it means my kid gets good results.

Excluded again wrote:
This was always going to be the consequence of the new Coalition Government's Free School policy - increased social and religious segregation. At least when Tauheedul Girls School became a state school it had to do so on the basis that it was the same as St Wilfreds or St Bedes. It was part of the local system and the Council had powers to monitor the school and make sure it stuck to the National Curriculum. Tauheedul Boys School is a 'Free School', state funded by a law unto itself. The local council has no say in how it is run. It is not checked on by anyone, does not need to teach the National Curriculum and does not even need to employ qualified teachers. The consequences of the Free Schools policy in Blackburn will be dire.

Read the article. The school will be setting up a sports academy for children attending local primary schools. It has limited the admission number to reduce impact on local schools. It is proposing to run revision classes for children in Darwen. Surely, this is good news for the town. We need quality!

This is nothing but a win win situation, their overall performance speaks volumes, what annoys me is when a muslim state school has been approved people are the first to show their racist colours and claim they are not racist, only if they were more schools with a record of what tauheedul as achieved in a small space of time. i for one am looking forward to sending my children there.

http://www.newstates
man.com/200602270011

coolguy wrote:
This is nothing but a win win situation, their overall performance speaks volumes, what annoys me is when a muslim state school has been approved people are the first to show their racist colours and claim they are not racist, only if they were more schools with a record of what tauheedul as achieved in a small space of time. i for one am looking forward to sending my children there.

I totally agree. Well done to Tauheedul.

Simon Jones should be proud of what Tauheedul has achieved. What has he done for the people of Blackburn? Absolutely nothing. He is always complaining but does not do anything. I would have thought the NUT can have better representation.

Cllr Foster talks about faith schools. Is he not aware that Tauheedul is leading the educational transformation at Blakewater College and in just 18 months the results have gone from 11% to 18%. I would say to Cllr Foster and Cllr Maureen that both of you and your parties have seriously let down the children of Blackburn for too long. Learn from Tauheedul; had it not been for them Blakewater College would still be in special measures. Time to reflect and stop this hypocrisy. Admit the truth and if I was in Cllr Maureen's position I would ask Tauheedul to review all the other schools in the borough.

Gary12 wrote:
I have just had a look at their website. Their Girls school gets 98% 5 A*-C with English and Maths. My daughter’s ‘integrated’ school gets 33%. I’ll have some of their segregation any day if it means my kid gets good results.

Whilst you make a very important point about the failure of other schools - and its reflection on many of the comments on this page - it is important to note that there is no school that does as much for community cohesion in town as Tauheedul girls school does for Blackburn. It is one of the only school’s in the country with citizenship specialism. The new boys school will have Big Society as a specialism. After the recent riots in London it is fantastic that an organisation is taking a lead in mending our broken society. What more can you ask for?

Very simplisitic summations, green eyed monster inspired views... to all you armchair moaners out there, What exactly have you done about social segregation now that you've identified that it exisits in Blackburn ?

This school has'nt even started yet and most other Muslim schools are relatively new in the area, So how can you assume they have caused the segregation ?

bigjohn998 wrote:
ALL faith schools are bad... Ask one question. Will the children be taught about evolution in their science class? or will they be told our planet is just a few thousand years olds, and made by 'Allah'.........It's just wrong; divisive and wrong

Another example of the ignorance that leads to such comments. Have you ever visited Tauheedul? Why not do so and find out what is taught there if you genuinely concerned.

editor1988 wrote:

coolguy wrote: This is nothing but a win win situation, their overall performance speaks volumes, what annoys me is when a muslim state school has been approved people are the first to show their racist colours and claim they are not racist, only if they were more schools with a record of what tauheedul as achieved in a small space of time. i for one am looking forward to sending my children there.

I totally agree. Well done to Tauheedul. Simon Jones should be proud of what Tauheedul has achieved. What has he done for the people of Blackburn? Absolutely nothing. He is always complaining but does not do anything. I would have thought the NUT can have better representation. Cllr Foster talks about faith schools. Is he not aware that Tauheedul is leading the educational transformation at Blakewater College and in just 18 months the results have gone from 11% to 18%. I would say to Cllr Foster and Cllr Maureen that both of you and your parties have seriously let down the children of Blackburn for too long. Learn from Tauheedul; had it not been for them Blakewater College would still be in special measures. Time to reflect and stop this hypocrisy. Admit the truth and if I was in Cllr Maureen's position I would ask Tauheedul to review all the other schools in the borough.

Could not agree more.

I think it is time the whole borough celebrate at this news and I hope Tauheedul open a network of these free schools across the country. For too long the unions, politicians, bankers and rioters have failed us. We need to start from the basics and this is where Tauheedul is a beacon of hope. Not only are the
Tauheedul girls participating in all the borough events, just look at Blakewater College.

Actions and results speak louder than words. Need I say more. Only if Nafeesa Shan & LET understood.

Hopping mad wrote:
What happened to Great Britain???
This country is becoming a disgrace by the minute, you wouldn't see a Christian church going up in any eastern countries, so why does this town and country allow it. Makes me want to get out even more!

Eastern countries do have churches. Perhaps you should pay a visit or even do some research.

Looks like the vast majority of schools are failing the children.

coolguy wrote:
congratulations to mufti hameed and co. very well done, look forward to sending my children there.

Congratulations to the whole team at Tauheedul. The majority of people in Blackburn & beyond will want to send their children to Tauheedul irrespective of faith or background. The fact that in free schools you have to admit 50% on the basis of any faith means the segregation risk is minimal.

So let us all celebrate and congratulate Mufti Patel for his efforts, for achieving in five years what could not be achieved for centuries. You deserve our gratitude for your school is the only outstanding secondary school in the borough.

I am a governor at another school and although it is easy for me to criticise another school, I have to say Tauheedul should be commended and the news of this Free school is welcome.

Good luck

Hopping mad wrote:
What happened to Great Britain???
This country is becoming a disgrace by the minute, you wouldn't see a Christian church going up in any eastern countries, so why does this town and country allow it. Makes me want to get out even more!

the article is not about mosques!

Its SCHOOOOOOOLs! dah

and if you are that concerned why cant we see more churches being built in Great britain????
when was the last time you went to Church???

immy33 wrote:
Well guys, you talking about community cohesion and integration. however it is the host community who do not want to integrate with minority. look at Lammack and Packgate the white people who live there don't send their kids to either Lammack or pleckgate which are on their door step, but drive to even other otwn and if you look at reasults of the girls school its a pride and joy for whole Blackburn!! And I believe it will be repeated for the Boys as well.

Interesting point.

I came across just a few minutes ago that Tauheedul girls raised money for the hospice. Which other school has raised money for this project?

http://www.lancashir
etelegraph.co.uk/new
s/9174269.Blackburn_
school_s___11k_gift_
takes_hospice_appeal
_to___67_000/

Hopping mad wrote:
What happened to Great Britain???
This country is becoming a disgrace by the minute, you wouldn't see a Christian church going up in any eastern countries, so why does this town and country allow it. Makes me want to get out even more!

you obviously have never been to an Eastern country hence your rather ignorant comment,and you say you want to get out even more,well goodbye.

bmurtaja wrote:

coolguy wrote: congratulations to mufti hameed and co. very well done, look forward to sending my children there.

Congratulations to the whole team at Tauheedul. The majority of people in Blackburn & beyond will want to send their children to Tauheedul irrespective of faith or background. The fact that in free schools you have to admit 50% on the basis of any faith means the segregation risk is minimal. So let us all celebrate and congratulate Mufti Patel for his efforts, for achieving in five years what could not be achieved for centuries. You deserve our gratitude for your school is the only outstanding secondary school in the borough. I am a governor at another school and although it is easy for me to criticise another school, I have to say Tauheedul should be commended and the news of this Free school is welcome. Good luck

Have you completely lost the plot !
What is there to celebrate ?
Any asian that thinks this is good news
needs to see a doctor.
Times ahead are looking bleak, a very sad day.
YES I AM AN ASIAN

Excluded again wrote:
This was always going to be the consequence of the new Coalition Government's Free School policy - increased social and religious segregation.

At least when Tauheedul Girls School became a state school it had to do so on the basis that it was the same as St Wilfreds or St Bedes. It was part of the local system and the Council had powers to monitor the school and make sure it stuck to the National Curriculum.

Tauheedul Boys School is a 'Free School', state funded by a law unto itself. The local council has no say in how it is run. It is not checked on by anyone, does not need to teach the National Curriculum and does not even need to employ qualified teachers.

The consequences of the Free Schools policy in Blackburn will be dire.

The Council has failed the people of Blackburn for too long. Why do you think Blakewater College was going to close down and the council was forced to seek Tauheedul's assistance? It is good that the council is not involved in this free school. Otherwise it would mean a waste of money and politicians interfering in matters for political gain. Tauheedul is committed to work in partnership with all local schools and I think this is what matters. Schools should be mature enough to administer their own affairs without the local authority interfering and creating obstacles. So I would suggest that all schools should become academies free from the local council and invest money into the future of the children and not in bankrolling the council.

So well done to Tauheedul. Now time for St. Wilfrids and others to follow in the footsteps of Tauheedul in becoming an outstanding school.

sting1326 wrote:

bmurtaja wrote:

coolguy wrote: congratulations to mufti hameed and co. very well done, look forward to sending my children there.

Congratulations to the whole team at Tauheedul. The majority of people in Blackburn & beyond will want to send their children to Tauheedul irrespective of faith or background. The fact that in free schools you have to admit 50% on the basis of any faith means the segregation risk is minimal. So let us all celebrate and congratulate Mufti Patel for his efforts, for achieving in five years what could not be achieved for centuries. You deserve our gratitude for your school is the only outstanding secondary school in the borough. I am a governor at another school and although it is easy for me to criticise another school, I have to say Tauheedul should be commended and the news of this Free school is welcome. Good luck

Have you completely lost the plot !
What is there to celebrate ?
Any asian that thinks this is good news
needs to see a doctor.
Times ahead are looking bleak, a very sad day.
YES I AM AN ASIAN

You do not have to be an Asian to celebrate this.

If you value high educational success for the people of Blackburn, then celebrate. Otherwise, you need not. As for the doctor, then Tauheedul will produce many doctors so need not worry my friend.

sting1326 wrote:

bmurtaja wrote:

coolguy wrote: congratulations to mufti hameed and co. very well done, look forward to sending my children there.

Congratulations to the whole team at Tauheedul. The majority of people in Blackburn & beyond will want to send their children to Tauheedul irrespective of faith or background. The fact that in free schools you have to admit 50% on the basis of any faith means the segregation risk is minimal. So let us all celebrate and congratulate Mufti Patel for his efforts, for achieving in five years what could not be achieved for centuries. You deserve our gratitude for your school is the only outstanding secondary school in the borough. I am a governor at another school and although it is easy for me to criticise another school, I have to say Tauheedul should be commended and the news of this Free school is welcome. Good luck

Have you completely lost the plot ! What is there to celebrate ? Any asian that thinks this is good news needs to see a doctor. Times ahead are looking bleak, a very sad day. YES I AM AN ASIAN

When I read some comments, my confidence increases in Tauheedul and the need to have such outstanding schools across Lancashire.

Celebrate the good news!

editor1988 wrote:

Excluded again wrote:
This was always going to be the consequence of the new Coalition Government's Free School policy - increased social and religious segregation.

At least when Tauheedul Girls School became a state school it had to do so on the basis that it was the same as St Wilfreds or St Bedes. It was part of the local system and the Council had powers to monitor the school and make sure it stuck to the National Curriculum.

Tauheedul Boys School is a 'Free School', state funded by a law unto itself. The local council has no say in how it is run. It is not checked on by anyone, does not need to teach the National Curriculum and does not even need to employ qualified teachers.

The consequences of the Free Schools policy in Blackburn will be dire.

The Council has failed the people of Blackburn for too long. Why do you think Blakewater College was going to close down and the council was forced to seek Tauheedul's assistance? It is good that the council is not involved in this free school. Otherwise it would mean a waste of money and politicians interfering in matters for political gain. Tauheedul is committed to work in partnership with all local schools and I think this is what matters. Schools should be mature enough to administer their own affairs without the local authority interfering and creating obstacles. So I would suggest that all schools should become academies free from the local council and invest money into the future of the children and not in bankrolling the council.

So well done to Tauheedul. Now time for St. Wilfrids and others to follow in the footsteps of Tauheedul in becoming an outstanding school.

Muslim school helps out secular neighbour
By Richard Garner, Education Editor
Wednesday, 10 November 2010

On the face of it the two schools have nothing in common apart from the city they share.

Tauheedul Islam Girls' School in Blackburn was one of the country's first state-funded Muslim schools, set up by parents who wanted an alternative to the state sector. Ranked as outstanding by Ofsted, it has some of the best exam results in Britain.

Blakewater College has traditionally served a more white working-class Lancastrian community in another part of the city. It has a chequered past, having problems with behaviour and exam performance.

But now Tauheedul is helping Blakewater turn itself round. It is the first time that a Muslim school has been asked to perform a rescue act on a non-faith state school, but the experiment is already paying dividends.

After only eight months the percentage of pupils gaining five A* to C grade passes at Blakewater has risen from 11 per cent to 26 per cent.

Alan Chambers, head of Blakewater College for the past year, said the link with Tauheedul – led by its principal, Hamid Patel – had helped immeasurably. "Hamid is a Blackburn lad and there is no doubt that he wants to put something back into the wider community that both of us serve," Mr Chambers said.

The college now assesses the performance of pupils as soon as they arrive, giving them extra support if they fall short. It has also approached parents to get them more involved in the process – a tactic previously honed by their colleagues across the city.

"At Tauheedul, we get 90 to 95 per cent parental attendance," said Mr Patel. "If they don't come we ring them and say 'Come tomorrow'. We keep doing that until they come." Another of the key challenges, he said, was to raise pupils' aspirations.

Mr Patel has already written to Michael Gove, the Education Secretary, outlining plans for a countrywide network of schools like Tauheedul – using the "free schools" initiative to get them up and running. Tauheedul was run as an independent school for more than two decades in terraced houses, accepting financial contributions from parents.

It joined the state sector in 2006 and has since expanded, now having to turn away more than 200 applicants a year. Mr Patel said that within five years he would like to open the doors to non-Muslim pupils, as white families are already asking for its prospectus on the strength of its exam results.

"Come back in five years and I guarantee will have white families. In some areas of the country there are Church of England schools that are 100 per cent Muslim because they like the ethos of the school," he said.
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uslim-school-helps-o
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sting1326 wrote:

bmurtaja wrote:

sting1326 wrote:

bmurtaja wrote:

coolguy wrote: congratulations to mufti hameed and co. very well done, look forward to sending my children there.

Congratulations to the whole team at Tauheedul. The majority of people in Blackburn & beyond will want to send their children to Tauheedul irrespective of faith or background. The fact that in free schools you have to admit 50% on the basis of any faith means the segregation risk is minimal. So let us all celebrate and congratulate Mufti Patel for his efforts, for achieving in five years what could not be achieved for centuries. You deserve our gratitude for your school is the only outstanding secondary school in the borough. I am a governor at another school and although it is easy for me to criticise another school, I have to say Tauheedul should be commended and the news of this Free school is welcome. Good luck

Have you completely lost the plot ! What is there to celebrate ? Any asian that thinks this is good news needs to see a doctor. Times ahead are looking bleak, a very sad day. YES I AM AN ASIAN

When I read some comments, my confidence increases in Tauheedul and the need to have such outstanding schools across Lancashire. Celebrate the good news!

I pray to god that they dont bring in teachers like you.
It is pointless talking to you.

Perhaps they should employ bmurtuja who at least knows how to communicate in a reasonable and rational manner without using capital letters as though someone was denying you were Asian. Schools like Tauheedul would teach that you do not use capital letters throughout a sentence.

its not free because im sure somewhere along the line us taxpayers are footing the bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!

Firstly, for "Excluded again" - free schools still come under the jurisdiction and inspection framework of OSTED so this new school WILL be checked by someone.

It would be interesting to see non-muslim parents test the admission policy of these schools to see how fluid it is - sadly I cannot see any non-muslim parent applying here for their children.

Please please please whoever is trying to build a case for Blakewater school - give up now! How on earth can this BwD Council justify this school's existence is beyond me! How on earth can you justify spending millions and millions of pounds on a poor school (just check its results). Most schools that bad get shut down - what does BwD do? It gives them a £30m new school. Someone please tell me the logic of this. After all, the old Queens Park school was closed down and re-opened as Blakewater because it was a poor school with poor results. Do the same with this school and stop throwig money at it.

This to me feels wrong on so many levels.

Having studied for years how Judaism and Christianity were swamped with the Talmud forming uber right wing hubris commanding; :we are the chosen"...:god said"
.
it is today we are witnessing the Muslim fall for the same garbage after being tweaked with the nazi script in education, funded by Indian Baal, and Whahabi Arabs.
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It makes me laugh when I hear these young educated Muslims speak in hatred of Zionism and all it ferments while in the same breath lay claim to the ears of Allah.....
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Free to programme fanaticism, is what the free schools are, and we the taxpayer will pay for this because the taxpayer is benign outside of the TV and Movie scripts, which just happen to script the script of Zion...so who cares anyhow?

tauheedul has done alot of charitable work not just in this country but also in third world countries, yet again people fail to recognise that, east lancs hospice is a typical example of some of the fundraising work that has been carried out, my daughter attends a infants school i have up to date not recieved a letter from her school to say they are raising money for never mind a local charity but even for the east africa droughts appeal where people are dying due to the shortage of water.

First posting deleted, so I'll try again: State sponsored facism, how long will it be before the EDL set up a 'free school'?

Scum of the Earth wrote:
First posting deleted, so I'll try again: State sponsored facism, how long will it be before the EDL set up a 'free school'?

Don't be silly. So you would agree that all faith schools are state sponsored facism!

Simon Jones, Union Rep in Blackburn, doesn’t know what he is talking about! If the Unions hadn’t made every school ‘soft’ on kids and ‘militant’ against improving standards then we wouldn’t need this boys school.

DGower wrote:
Please please please whoever is trying to build a case for Blakewater school - give up now! How on earth can this BwD Council justify this school's existence is beyond me! How on earth can you justify spending millions and millions of pounds on a poor school (just check its results). Most schools that bad get shut down - what does BwD do? It gives them a £30m new school. Someone please tell me the logic of this. After all, the old Queens Park school was closed down and re-opened as Blakewater because it was a poor school with poor results. Do the same with this school and stop throwig money at it.

Agree with you. However, results have gone up since Tauheedul got involved in the running of it from 9% to 40%! These guys have done a good job with better standards and good discipline. We need them to take over the running of more Blackburn Schools. The council has failed the town. 50% of kids in the town are failing. Some one has to take responsibility and ownership for this.

thanks for the correction Y

agree with the comments with Gary12 since tauheeduls establishment the average scores have gone up throughout the borough, tauheedul should be a role model for all the schools in lancashire in how to achieve how some Head Teachers may consider this as impossible to acheive 98% pass rate at A*s,

listen guys, i know tauheedul is launchingits very own boys school but insted of wishing bad about it why dont we wish good. just because its muslims dosnt meen we cant be happy for them too
so Mufti Hamid Patel, I wish u very good luck for the future

coolguy wrote:
tauheedul has done alot of charitable work not just in this country but also in third world countries, yet again people fail to recognise that, east lancs hospice is a typical example of some of the fundraising work that has been carried out, my daughter attends a infants school i have up to date not recieved a letter from her school to say they are raising money for never mind a local charity but even for the east africa droughts appeal where people are dying due to the shortage of water.

Excellent point. How much have the EDL fundraised?

Gary12 wrote:

DGower wrote:
Please please please whoever is trying to build a case for Blakewater school - give up now! How on earth can this BwD Council justify this school's existence is beyond me! How on earth can you justify spending millions and millions of pounds on a poor school (just check its results). Most schools that bad get shut down - what does BwD do? It gives them a £30m new school. Someone please tell me the logic of this. After all, the old Queens Park school was closed down and re-opened as Blakewater because it was a poor school with poor results. Do the same with this school and stop throwig money at it.

Agree with you. However, results have gone up since Tauheedul got involved in the running of it from 9% to 40%! These guys have done a good job with better standards and good discipline. We need them to take over the running of more Blackburn Schools. The council has failed the town. 50% of kids in the town are failing. Some one has to take responsibility and ownership for this.

Could not agree with you more. The results speak for themselves.

A couple of years ago Tauheedul girls school had a lecturer from Blackburn College going up to their school on a weekly basis to teach the girls because the school leaders didn't want the girl's associating with the students at Blackburn college. The lecturer was given his orders not to speak to the girl's about anything other than what he was there to teach. So in effect they are being taught to be divisive, stay away from the local boys......black and white....and don't speak unless its about the lesson your in, not sure I would want any of my children in such a dictatorial regime, good results or not !!!

BlackburnPeace wrote:
listen guys, i know tauheedul is launchingits very own boys school but insted of wishing bad about it why dont we wish good. just because its muslims dosnt meen we cant be happy for them too so Mufti Hamid Patel, I wish u very good luck for the future

Good point. This school has an outstanding record of academic success; it works closely with other schools in the town; it wants its students to do 500 hours of community service; it will allow 50% of the intake to be from other faiths. What more do they have to do for people to call them 'integrated'?!?!?!

What I think is a concern is that the Tauheedul Mosque and associated schools have strong religious and financial links with the Saudi Royal Family. This surely must be a concern when a foreign state can have influence over the education of UK children. Saudi Arabia is still heavily influenced by the old teachings of Islam and believes that equality, homosexuality, or even women being allowed to drive, are against the law! Anything that fails to promote European 21st century freedoms should be removed from our society

jack daniels wrote:
What I think is a concern is that the Tauheedul Mosque and associated schools have strong religious and financial links with the Saudi Royal Family. This surely must be a concern when a foreign state can have influence over the education of UK children. Saudi Arabia is still heavily influenced by the old teachings of Islam and believes that equality, homosexuality, or even women being allowed to drive, are against the law! Anything that fails to promote European 21st century freedoms should be removed from our society

There are no financial links between Tauheedul and Saudi Arabia. The only link as far as I am aware is that dignitaries visit the school and the school has hosted dignitaries from Qatar, India, Turkey, France and not to forget Prince Philip. This surely is a good thing so that other countries can also benefit from the excellent education Tauheedul strives to provide.

editor1988 wrote:

coolguy wrote: tauheedul has done alot of charitable work not just in this country but also in third world countries, yet again people fail to recognise that, east lancs hospice is a typical example of some of the fundraising work that has been carried out, my daughter attends a infants school i have up to date not recieved a letter from her school to say they are raising money for never mind a local charity but even for the east africa droughts appeal where people are dying due to the shortage of water.

Excellent point. How much have the EDL fundraised?

Love the bit about 500 hours community service. Every school should demand this. It is great for discipline.

If Tauheedul is supporting Blakewater to improve and improve they have (although limited improvement giving the millions pumped into it) how can the senior managers at Blakewater, of which their are numerous I bet and who are on mega salaries, justify their outcomes? If it is Tauheedul that is driving standards up, then give Tauheedul that extra cash not Blakewater. Whoever decided at BwD Council to give them a multi million pound new facility needs shooting. Queens Park was a poor school and it was eventually closed. Blakewater should follow suit. I'd love to see how much is spent at Blakewater for what is a reasonably small school.

If Tauheedul is supporting Blakewater to improve and improve they have (although limited improvement giving the millions pumped into it) how can the senior managers at Blakewater, of which their are numerous I bet and who are on mega salaries, justify their outcomes? If it is Tauheedul that is driving standards up, then give Tauheedul that extra cash not Blakewater. Whoever decided at BwD Council to give them a multi million pound new facility needs shooting. Queens Park was a poor school and it was eventually closed. Blakewater should follow suit. I'd love to see how much is spent at Blakewater for what is a reasonably small school.

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote: What I think is a concern is that the Tauheedul Mosque and associated schools have strong religious and financial links with the Saudi Royal Family. This surely must be a concern when a foreign state can have influence over the education of UK children. Saudi Arabia is still heavily influenced by the old teachings of Islam and believes that equality, homosexuality, or even women being allowed to drive, are against the law! Anything that fails to promote European 21st century freedoms should be removed from our society

There are no financial links between Tauheedul and Saudi Arabia. The only link as far as I am aware is that dignitaries visit the school and the school has hosted dignitaries from Qatar, India, Turkey, France and not to forget Prince Philip. This surely is a good thing so that other countries can also benefit from the excellent education Tauheedul strives to provide.

Tauheedul is not in any way linked to Saudi Arabia. Tauheedul girls go to universities and drive cars and enjoy lives like all others in society.

Remember that if the pope visits the UK and attends a catholic school, does that mean the the school agrees with everything the pope does or says? Does it mean that the school agrees with the abuse the took place in Northern Ireland? Clearly not.

If an Israeli minister or the ambassador visits a Jewish school, does it mean that the school endorses the illegal settlements?

So why have another rule for Muslims?

Tauheedul has an open door policy for all national and foreign dignitaries and this is sure welcome.

So once again congratulations on the boys school and hope there are more foreign dignitaries in Blackburn soon.

Scum of the Earth wrote:
Islam is a form of facism. The state pays for the school. Therefore it is state sponsored facism. All faith schools are concerned with controlling impressionable and vulnerable minds to varying extents.

You might disagree with Islam but if everything you disagree with is facism then we maybe heading in Hitler's territory.

The point is this - People of faith including Muslims and Jews pay taxes and contribute to the economic, and social well being of British society. Therefore, applying the principles of equality they should be entitled to the resources of the country in the same way as other faith groups are. One can disagree with the whole concept of faith schools but if there are Christian faith schools, why deprive Muslims and Jews and others from establishing faith schools?

Or is it that you feel the state should only allocate resources in accordance with your views, and your views only. Is this not fascism?

DGower wrote:
If Tauheedul is supporting Blakewater to improve and improve they have (although limited improvement giving the millions pumped into it) how can the senior managers at Blakewater, of which their are numerous I bet and who are on mega salaries, justify their outcomes? If it is Tauheedul that is driving standards up, then give Tauheedul that extra cash not Blakewater. Whoever decided at BwD Council to give them a multi million pound new facility needs shooting. Queens Park was a poor school and it was eventually closed. Blakewater should follow suit. I'd love to see how much is spent at Blakewater for what is a reasonably small school.

Blakewater is shutting down. A new school is being established in Audley. Students from the current Blakewater and Beardwood will move to the new school.

DGower wrote:
If Tauheedul is supporting Blakewater to improve and improve they have (although limited improvement giving the millions pumped into it) how can the senior managers at Blakewater, of which their are numerous I bet and who are on mega salaries, justify their outcomes? If it is Tauheedul that is driving standards up, then give Tauheedul that extra cash not Blakewater. Whoever decided at BwD Council to give them a multi million pound new facility needs shooting. Queens Park was a poor school and it was eventually closed. Blakewater should follow suit. I'd love to see how much is spent at Blakewater for what is a reasonably small school.

Some good points. However, it is not limited improvement. You cannot expect children to suddenly rocket from 11% to 98% in 18 months. A steady and sustainable improvement is what is required and the increase to 40% is promising.

Also remember that Tauheedul does not benefit financially out of this. They are merely doing the council and Blakewater a favour so we should thank them.

Well done Tauheedul.

editor1988 wrote:

Scum of the Earth wrote: Islam is a form of facism. The state pays for the school. Therefore it is state sponsored facism. All faith schools are concerned with controlling impressionable and vulnerable minds to varying extents.

You might disagree with Islam but if everything you disagree with is facism then we maybe heading in Hitler's territory. The point is this - People of faith including Muslims and Jews pay taxes and contribute to the economic, and social well being of British society. Therefore, applying the principles of equality they should be entitled to the resources of the country in the same way as other faith groups are. One can disagree with the whole concept of faith schools but if there are Christian faith schools, why deprive Muslims and Jews and others from establishing faith schools? Or is it that you feel the state should only allocate resources in accordance with your views, and your views only. Is this not fascism?

Very good point.

Muslims also pay taxes and should be entitled to establish their schools. Why alienate the Muslims by forcing them to stay away from the maintained sector?

It would be good if the LET could do an analysis of the number of Christian schools in Blackburn that are state funded, the number of Muslim schools in Blackburn that are state funded, and then contrast with the population ratio. The conclusion is that there is no equality; yet there is not a single outstanding secondary school in Blackburn other than Tauheedul.

Tauheedul, you have the support of the masses. Well done.

Editor - I realise that Tauheedul do not benefit financially from this but my point is that neither should Blakewater. Why pump more money into a school that is being helped and supported by another school. If anything, Tauheedul should be financially supported not Blakewater.

Gary - Blakewater is NOT closing down. The same teachers, pupils etc are simply being moved to a new site and given a new name. Beardwood is closing down whilst Blakewater retains is status (albeit with a changed name). Beardwood has good outcomes whilst Blakewater has awful outcomes and this has been the case for many many years - yet Beardwood is closed down. I don't get it!

editor1988 wrote:

DGower wrote: If Tauheedul is supporting Blakewater to improve and improve they have (although limited improvement giving the millions pumped into it) how can the senior managers at Blakewater, of which their are numerous I bet and who are on mega salaries, justify their outcomes? If it is Tauheedul that is driving standards up, then give Tauheedul that extra cash not Blakewater. Whoever decided at BwD Council to give them a multi million pound new facility needs shooting. Queens Park was a poor school and it was eventually closed. Blakewater should follow suit. I'd love to see how much is spent at Blakewater for what is a reasonably small school.

Some good points. However, it is not limited improvement. You cannot expect children to suddenly rocket from 11% to 98% in 18 months. A steady and sustainable improvement is what is required and the increase to 40% is promising. Also remember that Tauheedul does not benefit financially out of this. They are merely doing the council and Blakewater a favour so we should thank them. Well done Tauheedul.

Not sure re the financial arrangements. But the partnership is clearly working. We need something similar for other schools in the town.

DGower wrote:
Editor - I realise that Tauheedul do not benefit financially from this but my point is that neither should Blakewater. Why pump more money into a school that is being helped and supported by another school. If anything, Tauheedul should be financially supported not Blakewater. Gary - Blakewater is NOT closing down. The same teachers, pupils etc are simply being moved to a new site and given a new name. Beardwood is closing down whilst Blakewater retains is status (albeit with a changed name). Beardwood has good outcomes whilst Blakewater has awful outcomes and this has been the case for many many years - yet Beardwood is closed down. I don't get it!

Sorry, I may have got it wrong. If that is the case then the wrong school has shut down?

DGower wrote:
Editor - I realise that Tauheedul do not benefit financially from this but my point is that neither should Blakewater. Why pump more money into a school that is being helped and supported by another school. If anything, Tauheedul should be financially supported not Blakewater.

Gary - Blakewater is NOT closing down. The same teachers, pupils etc are simply being moved to a new site and given a new name. Beardwood is closing down whilst Blakewater retains is status (albeit with a changed name). Beardwood has good outcomes whilst Blakewater has awful outcomes and this has been the case for many many years - yet Beardwood is closed down. I don't get it!

Blakewater is part of the BSF programme like most schools in Blackburn. This is more to do with construction and the state of the building. Hopefully Blakewater will improve with the support of Tauheedul.

the girls results at taudeelul school has fantastic exam results, the students are a credit to the town, the money that they raise for charity is an example to young people. however if we are now having free schools can we have a richard dawkins free school and leave religion out of all schools?

editor1988 wrote:

DGower wrote:
Editor - I realise that Tauheedul do not benefit financially from this but my point is that neither should Blakewater. Why pump more money into a school that is being helped and supported by another school. If anything, Tauheedul should be financially supported not Blakewater.

Gary - Blakewater is NOT closing down. The same teachers, pupils etc are simply being moved to a new site and given a new name. Beardwood is closing down whilst Blakewater retains is status (albeit with a changed name). Beardwood has good outcomes whilst Blakewater has awful outcomes and this has been the case for many many years - yet Beardwood is closed down. I don't get it!

Blakewater is part of the BSF programme like most schools in Blackburn. This is more to do with construction and the state of the building. Hopefully Blakewater will improve with the support of Tauheedul.

In other words, the spend per pupil is not increasing with this investment. The BSF programme is about ensuring the buildings are adequate. It is of course debatable whether it is value for money but it makes no difference in terms of the money given to the school per pupil. I agree however that Tauheedul should be given more money to invest in the Beardwood site and make it into a world class site.

l m h jones wrote:
the girls results at taudeelul school has fantastic exam results, the students are a credit to the town, the money that they raise for charity is an example to young people. however if we are now having free schools can we have a richard dawkins free school and leave religion out of all schools?

Yes, this is possible. Just as faith groups have the right to establish schools, equally, you can as well. Visit www.education.gov.uk and follow the process. I wish you all the best luck and hope your school is as good as Tauheedul. Keep LET informed once that is done so they can run a story and we can engage in a discussion about the lack of religion.

Yes, I was a card carrying active member of the Liberal-Liberal Democrat parties for a quarter of a century.

i have one daughter and two sons and my son and my daughter are twins. one goes to tauheedul girls school and one goes to pleckgate.
i casn say with no doubt that my daughter is recieving better education than my son.sowhy r u all hating muslims. have they done anything wrong. and all u guys are talking about communities being together but that cant happen withu lot hating each other. socome on, get together and love each other and be happy for each other.

I have some brilliant english non muslim friends... I get on with 99% ofl the non muslim people I ever meet.

The LET readership, to put it in childish terms "doesnt like me !"

I am sure people are are just people regardless of what they follow, so i'm intrigued why does the readership of the LET always seem anti anything asian or Muslim ? why am I being asked to integrate on here ?

So being completely honest and willing..
Please someone tell me what do I have to do or be to be (amazing sentence this) considered integrated ? also is the degree of integration relative to the eye of the (LET) onlooker ?

I support Man United.Why not have Man U Free Schools that brainwash kids into supporting my team? Or why not flat earth society Free Schools? I pay my taxes so that people are educated, not to fill their heads with drivel. That can be done elsewhere at someone else's expense.

Come people, we should wish Tauheedul good luck, just cos its a 'muslim' school it doent' mean non muslims can't apply there - people choose not to cos they don't want to. I went to a RC sixth form and have no problems with any other faiths. I know there are many people out their who do not accept community cohesion. When St Wilfrid's headteacher recently anounced of the christian values intiative (story was on telegraph last month i think) - I say good luck to that also. People have a choice and it doesnt mean that schools with a certain faith students will not necessarily interact in life. I know many people from differnet faiths who get on very well who are from different areas. Wish tauheedul all the best.

Scum of the Earth wrote:
I support Man United.Why not have Man U Free Schools that brainwash kids into supporting my team? Or why not flat earth society Free Schools? I pay my taxes so that people are educated, not to fill their heads with drivel. That can be done elsewhere at someone else's expense.

It is a good idea. Why not have a Manchester United Free School? I think Everton FC are planning one. The UK education system is one of the worst in the country. We need as many people and organisations to get involved as possible.

racism backed by the goverment says it all enouch was right fact ---------------

phil kernot wrote:
racism backed by the goverment says it all enouch was right fact ---------------

Hold on... Segregation. Their girls school has been visited by the Duke of Kent (see website!). Last time I checked he wasn’t some mad mulla! Let’s not get carried away on our anti muslim bias.

Scum of the Earth wrote:
I support Man United.Why not have Man U Free Schools that brainwash kids into supporting my team? Or why not flat earth society Free Schools? I pay my taxes so that people are educated, not to fill their heads with drivel. That can be done elsewhere at someone else's expense.

You are 100% correct my friend but you are also wasting your time. These people have known nothing but islam as they where taken to a medressa from when they were kids. They know nothing about free thought and will die to defend their misplaced belief.

Well done for seeing the truth but words from a gorah infidel will not work.

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:
What I think is a concern is that the Tauheedul Mosque and associated schools have strong religious and financial links with the Saudi Royal Family. This surely must be a concern when a foreign state can have influence over the education of UK children. Saudi Arabia is still heavily influenced by the old teachings of Islam and believes that equality, homosexuality, or even women being allowed to drive, are against the law! Anything that fails to promote European 21st century freedoms should be removed from our society

There are no financial links between Tauheedul and Saudi Arabia. The only link as far as I am aware is that dignitaries visit the school and the school has hosted dignitaries from Qatar, India, Turkey, France and not to forget Prince Philip. This surely is a good thing so that other countries can also benefit from the excellent education Tauheedul strives to provide.

Ok, it’s Saturday night and I can’t be bothered searching the internet for evidence to prove that the Saudi’s provide funding to the mosque and schools I have previously mentioned. Wikipedia does state however that “Wahhabism is the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia. It has developed considerable influence in the Muslim world in part through Saudi funding of mosques, schools and social programs” and one of these is Tauheedul mosque and school, which is why the Saudi Princess came to visit. I will prove this at a later date if required.

wetwangman wrote:this bunch will be educated to take away jobs from our own people.

Let me answer this - jobs that your own people don't want to do and don't blame this 'bunch'. There has been an influx of EU citizens who have come into this country and have done/are doing jobs that the natives of this country can't be asked doing - instead they rely on state benefits and live off the legitimate taxpayer. A bit of advice, get off your backsides, get into training and get into work - next thing you know 'outsiders' won't be taking our jobs. As for this 'bunch' - they have contributed vastly to the country and have done some hard graft, dirty jobs natives woudn't do.

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:
What I think is a concern is that the Tauheedul Mosque and associated schools have strong religious and financial links with the Saudi Royal Family. This surely must be a concern when a foreign state can have influence over the education of UK children. Saudi Arabia is still heavily influenced by the old teachings of Islam and believes that equality, homosexuality, or even women being allowed to drive, are against the law! Anything that fails to promote European 21st century freedoms should be removed from our society

There are no financial links between Tauheedul and Saudi Arabia. The only link as far as I am aware is that dignitaries visit the school and the school has hosted dignitaries from Qatar, India, Turkey, France and not to forget Prince Philip. This surely is a good thing so that other countries can also benefit from the excellent education Tauheedul strives to provide.

Ok, it’s Saturday night and I can’t be bothered searching the internet for evidence to prove that the Saudi’s provide funding to the mosque and schools I have previously mentioned. Wikipedia does state however that “Wahhabism is the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia. It has developed considerable influence in the Muslim world in part through Saudi funding of mosques, schools and social programs” and one of these is Tauheedul mosque and school, which is why the Saudi Princess came to visit. I will prove this at a later date if required.

Actually i can vouch for that! I actually remember her coming to visit.

Letsget back to the basics - Tauheedul is the highest achieving school in Balckburn and one of the best schools in the country - its been inspected by OFSTED and they rated it as outstanding - its been visted by members of the royal Family (British!) and by lots of other very important people - why - because they appreciate excellence and want to be associated with it. The girls at Tauheedul make more progress than girls in any other school in Blackburn and nearly every other school in England. They are working with the Local Authority to support Blakewater - since Tauheedul has been involved with Blakewater, the students there (mostly white, working class) have improved the school's overall GCSE percentage by 26% - the3 biggest improvement in Blackbur. The point is this school knows how to educate our children - we should be learning from it - just for once put the needs of the children first - support Tauheedul and its desire to help boys do just as well as the girls who currently attend.

be balanced in reports wrote:
Letsget back to the basics - Tauheedul is the highest achieving school in Balckburn and one of the best schools in the country - its been inspected by OFSTED and they rated it as outstanding - its been visted by members of the royal Family (British!) and by lots of other very important people - why - because they appreciate excellence and want to be associated with it. The girls at Tauheedul make more progress than girls in any other school in Blackburn and nearly every other school in England. They are working with the Local Authority to support Blakewater - since Tauheedul has been involved with Blakewater, the students there (mostly white, working class) have improved the school's overall GCSE percentage by 26% - the3 biggest improvement in Blackbur. The point is this school knows how to educate our children - we should be learning from it - just for once put the needs of the children first - support Tauheedul and its desire to help boys do just as well as the girls who currently attend.

Come on though be balanced in your report!!

And for the record, my son has just left an average Blackburn school with way more than 5 A-C grades and all this was done without going to a mosque, paying financial contributions, money from a foreign country, no selection process, or any discrimination regarding students with disabilities. Yet my son is well balanced, caring and does not think other people are less than him because of their religion.

Can’t say the same about Tauheedul…..

Where on earth does this story about Tauheedul being funded by Saudi Arabia come from?!?! It's a British STATE school whose finances are closely scrutinised by auditors, along with all other schools. In addition, Tauheedul, as a state school, has a legal obligation to educate students with disabilities.

Mr. Daniels; I am delighted that your son has acquired a good education, and I wish him well in his chosen career. As a successful student I am sure he learned the value of checking his facts carefully before putting pen to paper.

The story is about education and about a fantastic school trying to promote excellent education for even more children.

Anyone who can't see the benefits of educating our children doesn't deserve a reply.

This new school will be good for Blackburn and good for education - Tauheedul hasd done a fantastc job in helping girls to get outstanding results whilst also encouraging them to understand their wider responsibilities as good citizens - they raise tens of thousands of pounds for charity every year - they donated £11,000 for the East lancs Hospice, they sent presents to children in the hospital and responded to every international disaster - why - because they are taught the importance of being good citizens, good muslims and good human beings - its a shame some of the contributers above didn't get this sort of education. People from outside of Blackburn need to know that most people in Blackburn are honest, tolerant and decent - some of the comments above are a disgrace but they are the rantings of a very tiny minority - please realise we, the majority, don't think like these - we value education, we appreciate excellence and we want our children to do well. We are proud of this school and we want other schools to learn from it so more children in Blackburn can geta GREAT EDUCATION.

slongio wrote:

Gary12 wrote: The other 85% of the prison population is made up of facists like yourself Mr Daniels. This is a positive development. A muslim school is agreeing to allocate 50% of its places to other faiths yet so much negativity. Do you think St.Wilfrid's would ever agree to allocating 50% of its places to Muslims? I don't think so...

Sorry to burst your bubble Gary but not every one who has that opinion has any link what so ever to either the EDL or the BNP!!

If this free school is such a bad idea for Blackburn and ‘extremely’ bad for integration then how come 700 parents have asked for a place at the school. Are they all stupid. Some of these parents are not even muslim!

be balanced in reports wrote:
The story is about education and about a fantastic school trying to promote excellent education for even more children.

Anyone who can't see the benefits of educating our children doesn't deserve a reply.

This new school will be good for Blackburn and good for education - Tauheedul hasd done a fantastc job in helping girls to get outstanding results whilst also encouraging them to understand their wider responsibilities as good citizens - they raise tens of thousands of pounds for charity every year - they donated £11,000 for the East lancs Hospice, they sent presents to children in the hospital and responded to every international disaster - why - because they are taught the importance of being good citizens, good muslims and good human beings - its a shame some of the contributers above didn't get this sort of education. People from outside of Blackburn need to know that most people in Blackburn are honest, tolerant and decent - some of the comments above are a disgrace but they are the rantings of a very tiny minority - please realise we, the majority, don't think like these - we value education, we appreciate excellence and we want our children to do well. We are proud of this school and we want other schools to learn from it so more children in Blackburn can geta GREAT EDUCATION.

I must admit pal I'm a little naive I have read the article but do not understand the full story?? What percentage of this new school will be none asain??

be balanced in reports wrote:
The story is about education and about a fantastic school trying to promote excellent education for even more children. Anyone who can't see the benefits of educating our children doesn't deserve a reply. This new school will be good for Blackburn and good for education - Tauheedul hasd done a fantastc job in helping girls to get outstanding results whilst also encouraging them to understand their wider responsibilities as good citizens - they raise tens of thousands of pounds for charity every year - they donated £11,000 for the East lancs Hospice, they sent presents to children in the hospital and responded to every international disaster - why - because they are taught the importance of being good citizens, good muslims and good human beings - its a shame some of the contributers above didn't get this sort of education. People from outside of Blackburn need to know that most people in Blackburn are honest, tolerant and decent - some of the comments above are a disgrace but they are the rantings of a very tiny minority - please realise we, the majority, don't think like these - we value education, we appreciate excellence and we want our children to do well. We are proud of this school and we want other schools to learn from it so more children in Blackburn can geta GREAT EDUCATION.

Well said! Good luck to the school. And to anybody else that wants to do something good for our town.

slongio wrote:

be balanced in reports wrote: The story is about education and about a fantastic school trying to promote excellent education for even more children. Anyone who can't see the benefits of educating our children doesn't deserve a reply. This new school will be good for Blackburn and good for education - Tauheedul hasd done a fantastc job in helping girls to get outstanding results whilst also encouraging them to understand their wider responsibilities as good citizens - they raise tens of thousands of pounds for charity every year - they donated £11,000 for the East lancs Hospice, they sent presents to children in the hospital and responded to every international disaster - why - because they are taught the importance of being good citizens, good muslims and good human beings - its a shame some of the contributers above didn't get this sort of education. People from outside of Blackburn need to know that most people in Blackburn are honest, tolerant and decent - some of the comments above are a disgrace but they are the rantings of a very tiny minority - please realise we, the majority, don't think like these - we value education, we appreciate excellence and we want our children to do well. We are proud of this school and we want other schools to learn from it so more children in Blackburn can geta GREAT EDUCATION.

I must admit pal I'm a little naive I have read the article but do not understand the full story?? What percentage of this new school will be none asain??

50% of the places will be open to other faiths.

A new school run by an outstanding school is a great idea - a way of spreading best practice and giving more children an opportunity to get an outstanding education.

I could try to respond to the rabied racists - they are wrong on funding, wrong on admissions and wrong on the curriculum - sadly this will have no affect on their views - their views are born out of hatred and no facts are going to get in the way of that!

It remains for us, the silent majority, to keep reminding people that these racists are a tiny minority - we the people of Blackburn are mostly honest, decent and tolerant - we disown these hate-mongers, and we hope the the advent of this new school will help to improve our education system so that there are fewer of these in future generations.

Tauheedul is the jewel in Blackburn's education system - I hope that senior politicians and officers will stand shoulder to shoulder with its management and celebrate its fantastic achivements. Well done Tauheedul - keep up the great work.

It is always fascinating/depressi
ng to note in the fascinating online debates in the LET that any topic relating to Islam usually ends up with a reference or two to global terrorism, Saudi Arabia, and 'or own people', whoever they might be. To read some people one would imagine that there a wonderful, sepia-tinged era in the UK where there was no racial segregation, no prejudice, no crime, and no educational under-achievement. Let's get real for a moment; blacks, whites, Asians, indeed all groups who live in the UK have ALWAYS lived in different parts of the same towns; all of a sudden, because people of a certain faith have decided that they want to take responsibility for the education of their children, as well as that of anyone else who is committed to the same educational values, we now have a blind panic about 'community cohesion' or 'extremism'. The head at Blakewater has spoken about the contribution made by Tauheedul, their results are better, which means Blackburn as a town has better educated young people. Who exactly has lost out here? To suggest that Tauheedul has some hidden, macabre agenda is risible in the extreme, the girls are leaving that school with the best grades possible, and are therefore MORE likely to enter employment or go on to university.
I get the impression that some contributers to this thread would much rather that this bunch of Muslims knew their place...

jack daniels wrote:
And for the record, my son has just left an average Blackburn school with way more than 5 A-C grades and all this was done without going to a mosque, paying financial contributions, money from a foreign country, no selection process, or any discrimination regarding students with disabilities. Yet my son is well balanced, caring and does not think other people are less than him because of their religion. Can’t say the same about Tauheedul…..

Well done to Master Daniels for his achievement at GCSE at an average school! Regarding Jack's comments :"Financial contributions" - what was the amount given to the Hospice and other charities by this school? "Money from a foreign country" - all finances are monitored and audited by the authorities. " No selection process" - if they were selective, their CVA score would be much lower and they wouldn't be in the top schools in the country. "Students with disabilities" - the admissions policy states that statemented children are given priority - can anyone tell me what percentage of children are statemented- I'm sure it isn't 0%. "Well balanced .." - if only you were, my friend. "Caring" - how much has been raised by this school for local, national and international causes? How much did your son's school raise? "Think other people are less" - according to some comments, Tauheedul deserve less than all the other faith schools in the land ??? Come on Jack, be balanced!

Gary12 wrote:

slongio wrote:

be balanced in reports wrote: The story is about education and about a fantastic school trying to promote excellent education for even more children. Anyone who can't see the benefits of educating our children doesn't deserve a reply. This new school will be good for Blackburn and good for education - Tauheedul hasd done a fantastc job in helping girls to get outstanding results whilst also encouraging them to understand their wider responsibilities as good citizens - they raise tens of thousands of pounds for charity every year - they donated £11,000 for the East lancs Hospice, they sent presents to children in the hospital and responded to every international disaster - why - because they are taught the importance of being good citizens, good muslims and good human beings - its a shame some of the contributers above didn't get this sort of education. People from outside of Blackburn need to know that most people in Blackburn are honest, tolerant and decent - some of the comments above are a disgrace but they are the rantings of a very tiny minority - please realise we, the majority, don't think like these - we value education, we appreciate excellence and we want our children to do well. We are proud of this school and we want other schools to learn from it so more children in Blackburn can geta GREAT EDUCATION.

I must admit pal I'm a little naive I have read the article but do not understand the full story?? What percentage of this new school will be none asain??

50% of the places will be open to other faiths.

Will be open?? what's this mean pal!!

Good to see the silent majority beginning to find our voice - Tauheedul is good for all children in Blackburn - they have shown that with hard work, dedication and high expectations our children can achieve great things -I hope this rubs off on our other school - education is the way to improve our society and improve the life chances of our children

Its a shame the children have to wait till they get to secondary school before they can access this sort of educational excellence - perhaps the local authority needs to persuade Tauheedul to spread this fantastic practice to early years settings and primary schools - or perhaps Tauheedul should think about setting up its own primary school.

Tauheedul has shown that it is possible to overcome disadvantage, poverty and deprivation - the way they help their students to have high aspirations and believe in themselves is fantastic - other schools need to start believing in their students as well.

I am sure Tauheedul will be happy to support them in the same way they are supporting Blakewater - together our schools can make Blackburn a centre of national excellence for education.

Wetwangman wrote:
What is all this guff about a ' free school' ? Ask yourself the question just who exactly is killing our chaps in Afghanistan ? It is not the Buddists, it is not the Rastafarians, it is not the Mormons, is it ? And we let them set up their own schools ? This bunch will be educated to take away jobs from our own people, simple as that.

Jack is spreading lies on this forum. Tauheedul and for the record no mosque in Blackburn has received money from Saudi Arabia.

The point is there will always be people who will be jealous and envy Tauheedul's achievements.

Gary12 wrote:

phil kernot wrote:
racism backed by the goverment says it all enouch was right fact ---------------

Hold on... Segregation. Their girls school has been visited by the Duke of Kent (see website!). Last time I checked he wasn’t some mad mulla! Let’s not get carried away on our anti muslim bias.

Agree. Moreover, Phil should know the difference between race and religion. Ignorance breeds hatred. We surely need schools like Tauheedul to remove this level of bias and ignorance.

So good news for Blackburn.

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:
What I think is a concern is that the Tauheedul Mosque and associated schools have strong religious and financial links with the Saudi Royal Family. This surely must be a concern when a foreign state can have influence over the education of UK children. Saudi Arabia is still heavily influenced by the old teachings of Islam and believes that equality, homosexuality, or even women being allowed to drive, are against the law! Anything that fails to promote European 21st century freedoms should be removed from our society

There are no financial links between Tauheedul and Saudi Arabia. The only link as far as I am aware is that dignitaries visit the school and the school has hosted dignitaries from Qatar, India, Turkey, France and not to forget Prince Philip. This surely is a good thing so that other countries can also benefit from the excellent education Tauheedul strives to provide.

Ok, it’s Saturday night and I can’t be bothered searching the internet for evidence to prove that the Saudi’s provide funding to the mosque and schools I have previously mentioned. Wikipedia does state however that “Wahhabism is the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia. It has developed considerable influence in the Muslim world in part through Saudi funding of mosques, schools and social programs” and one of these is Tauheedul mosque and school, which is why the Saudi Princess came to visit. I will prove this at a later date if required.

It is required. Prove it now. Tauheedul has never received funds from Saudi Arabia.

Could you not find a more credible source than Wikipedia? Even that does not prove your point. It would be better if you substantiate your claims and stop spreading lies. If you cannot be bothered to find the evidence, then stop spreading lies.

be balanced in reports wrote:
A new school run by an outstanding school is a great idea - a way of spreading best practice and giving more children an opportunity to get an outstanding education.

I could try to respond to the rabied racists - they are wrong on funding, wrong on admissions and wrong on the curriculum - sadly this will have no affect on their views - their views are born out of hatred and no facts are going to get in the way of that!

It remains for us, the silent majority, to keep reminding people that these racists are a tiny minority - we the people of Blackburn are mostly honest, decent and tolerant - we disown these hate-mongers, and we hope the the advent of this new school will help to improve our education system so that there are fewer of these in future generations.

Tauheedul is the jewel in Blackburn's education system - I hope that senior politicians and officers will stand shoulder to shoulder with its management and celebrate its fantastic achivements. Well done Tauheedul - keep up the great work.

Agree.

be balanced in reports wrote:
Good to see the silent majority beginning to find our voice - Tauheedul is good for all children in Blackburn - they have shown that with hard work, dedication and high expectations our children can achieve great things -I hope this rubs off on our other school - education is the way to improve our society and improve the life chances of our children Its a shame the children have to wait till they get to secondary school before they can access this sort of educational excellence - perhaps the local authority needs to persuade Tauheedul to spread this fantastic practice to early years settings and primary schools - or perhaps Tauheedul should think about setting up its own primary school. Tauheedul has shown that it is possible to overcome disadvantage, poverty and deprivation - the way they help their students to have high aspirations and believe in themselves is fantastic - other schools need to start believing in their students as well. I am sure Tauheedul will be happy to support them in the same way they are supporting Blakewater - together our schools can make Blackburn a centre of national excellence for education.

Totally agree. Tauheedul should have a start to finish provision - from nursery all the way to HE and beyond.

be balanced in reports wrote:
A new school run by an outstanding school is a great idea - a way of spreading best practice and giving more children an opportunity to get an outstanding education. I could try to respond to the rabied racists - they are wrong on funding, wrong on admissions and wrong on the curriculum - sadly this will have no affect on their views - their views are born out of hatred and no facts are going to get in the way of that! It remains for us, the silent majority, to keep reminding people that these racists are a tiny minority - we the people of Blackburn are mostly honest, decent and tolerant - we disown these hate-mongers, and we hope the the advent of this new school will help to improve our education system so that there are fewer of these in future generations. Tauheedul is the jewel in Blackburn's education system - I hope that senior politicians and officers will stand shoulder to shoulder with its management and celebrate its fantastic achivements. Well done Tauheedul - keep up the great work.

You are right. We the silent majority need to become vocal. The vast majority of people support Tauheedul. It is only an isolated minority who are intolerant and however hard you try to reason, they cannot digest pluralism and tolerance.

Nothing new about racists spreading lies and scaremongering - what is new and great is that there are people on this forum who know the truth and are taking the time to challenge the lies - thank you and keep it up.

Envy is bad but I hope it turns into positive action to try to improve the situation for all those children who aren't lucky enough to get into Tauheedul. If it means other schools will try to compete with Tauheedul's success the all children in Blackburn will benefit - Tauheedul likes to support other schools so it'll be a win win for everyone.

Tauheedul clearly know how to run a school - that is plain to see. They have motivated girls, from motivated families who have a educational ethos and are largely from the Indian community. Anecdotally, I would suggest that the reason Tauheedul are so successful is because they have the right calibre of child in their midst. Girls clearly outperform boys (natioanlly) and Indian children clearly outperform Pakistani and other ethnic groups (nationally). The ingredients are there for success.

be balanced in reports wrote:
Nothing new about racists spreading lies and scaremongering - what is new and great is that there are people on this forum who know the truth and are taking the time to challenge the lies - thank you and keep it up. Envy is bad but I hope it turns into positive action to try to improve the situation for all those children who aren't lucky enough to get into Tauheedul. If it means other schools will try to compete with Tauheedul's success the all children in Blackburn will benefit - Tauheedul likes to support other schools so it'll be a win win for everyone.

True. I also hope LET reporting standards improve. Their journalists need to broaden their horizons and reflect the views in an objective and fair manner. Why not include the views of Lancashire Council of Mosques or indeed the Headteacher at Blakewater? It seems as though LET is looking for every opportunity to go after Tauheedul. Well, LET has failed. This discussion has affirmed that Nafeesa Shan needs to improve. There are bloggers on this page who could have done a better piece than hers.

DGower wrote:
Tauheedul clearly know how to run a school - that is plain to see. They have motivated girls, from motivated families who have a educational ethos and are largely from the Indian community. Anecdotally, I would suggest that the reason Tauheedul are so successful is because they have the right calibre of child in their midst. Girls clearly outperform boys (natioanlly) and Indian children clearly outperform Pakistani and other ethnic groups (nationally). The ingredients are there for success.

True but girls do not achieve 98% nationally so they must be doing something different. After all, the same Indian pupils when attending Beardwood or Pleckgate do not achieve the same?

Also Tauheedul has at least 33% girls of Pakistani origin.

So the true ingredient is a dedicated leadership and determined staff inspired by excellence and success.

I'm not sure its down to Nafisa Shan - the LET were anti-muslim long before she joined their team - she has joined the culture that already existed there! Remember - she doesn't write the headlines - that is done by the (sub) editor.

She does need to think about how she can improve her standard of writing - perhaps if she had been educated at Tauheedul she would have done better.

You (BMURTAJA) are right about people on this blog doing abetter job but I think most of them would have far too much self respect to work for the LET!

Lets hope the standard of writing, the attention to detail, the checking of facts, the honesty in comment - lets hope it rubs off on the 'journalist' at the LET (sorry I couldn't think of what else to call them!).

DGower wrote:
Tauheedul clearly know how to run a school - that is plain to see. They have motivated girls, from motivated families who have a educational ethos and are largely from the Indian community. Anecdotally, I would suggest that the reason Tauheedul are so successful is because they have the right calibre of child in their midst. Girls clearly outperform boys (natioanlly) and Indian children clearly outperform Pakistani and other ethnic groups (nationally). The ingredients are there for success.

As an avid cricket fan I'm delighted to welcome you (DGOWER) to this blog but perhaps you should stick to cricket!

Tauheedul has the best GCSE results in Blackburn and amongst the best in England. They are also better when you look at how much each student progresses as they go through their secondary school life and the Specialist Schools Advisory Trust rates them as one of the best schools amonst their thousands of members - just to finsh this bit off - OFSTEd rate them as outstanding - the only secondary school in Blackburn to get this designation ever!

I hope you can see that they add incredible value and any student who is lucky enough to get in is guaranteed the best possible education- now they want to help more students - fantastic - I hope we can find ways of helping other schools to learn from their successes. All children deserve the best and Tauheedul know how to deliver it.

Why not make all schools Muslim faith schools and then they will all have fantastic academic results.

Yes, was irrelevant then as it is now ! Enoch got him self sacked after that drivel, and losers like you still aspire to that emotive, selfish vote grabbing attempt to become leader of the tories.

For goodness sake a School is being opened for the betterment of people and society, a proven recipe for the success of our town. A fantastic positive contribution from the off spring of the "immigrants" your hero tried to demonise, how wrong he was and how pathetic and backward your thinking and outlook for the future. Be positive lets all live and prosper together in our beautiful country.

slammer wrote:
Quote:“It will further undermine much of the progress towards community cohesion. We are on our way to a completely segregated schooling system.

"It is going to develop potential social problems in the future.”Unquote

Buddy, you are already in a segregated society, both in schooling and day to day life.

the cathlics have stonyhurst so whats the difference

editor1988 wrote:

DGower wrote:
Tauheedul clearly know how to run a school - that is plain to see. They have motivated girls, from motivated families who have a educational ethos and are largely from the Indian community. Anecdotally, I would suggest that the reason Tauheedul are so successful is because they have the right calibre of child in their midst. Girls clearly outperform boys (natioanlly) and Indian children clearly outperform Pakistani and other ethnic groups (nationally). The ingredients are there for success.

True but girls do not achieve 98% nationally so they must be doing something different. After all, the same Indian pupils when attending Beardwood or Pleckgate do not achieve the same?

Also Tauheedul has at least 33% girls of Pakistani origin.

So the true ingredient is a dedicated leadership and determined staff inspired by excellence and success.

Fantastic!

You Pakistanis and Indians are fighting amongst yourself now! Is there any chance you can give peace a chance?

Looking at the wars in the world involving muslims, that will be a no….

Gary12 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Scum of the Earth wrote: Why is it then that 15% of the prison population is Muslim, a third of the male Muslim population is unemployed, pre recession. And two thirds of Muslim females do not work. What is it that is actually going to taught in this school that is going to be of any benefit for the non-muslim citizen?

yet the UK is not 15% muslim. Not that good of a religion after all

The other 85% of the prison population is made up of facists like yourself Mr Daniels. This is a positive development. A muslim school is agreeing to allocate 50% of its place yet so much negativity. Do you think St.Wilfrid's would ever agree to allocating 50% of its places to Muslims? I don't think so...

So you are saying that 85% of the prison population are fascists?

Not murderers, rapists or thieves?

What a load of tripe! The more you type, the more crazy you sound.

You are right about Wilfreds, but I think that that place should be closed too. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

What's happening to our country ??? weve now lost the plot for sure..... nothing is free anymore !!! we should be building more houses not schools !!!

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote:

DGower wrote:
Tauheedul clearly know how to run a school - that is plain to see. They have motivated girls, from motivated families who have a educational ethos and are largely from the Indian community. Anecdotally, I would suggest that the reason Tauheedul are so successful is because they have the right calibre of child in their midst. Girls clearly outperform boys (natioanlly) and Indian children clearly outperform Pakistani and other ethnic groups (nationally). The ingredients are there for success.

True but girls do not achieve 98% nationally so they must be doing something different. After all, the same Indian pupils when attending Beardwood or Pleckgate do not achieve the same?

Also Tauheedul has at least 33% girls of Pakistani origin.

So the true ingredient is a dedicated leadership and determined staff inspired by excellence and success.

Fantastic!

You Pakistanis and Indians are fighting amongst yourself now! Is there any chance you can give peace a chance?

Looking at the wars in the world involving muslims, that will be a no….

Who is fighting?

Jack, if you stop your tirade, the prospect for peace will be much higher in the world.

Tauheedul, long you live, long you prosper, long you continue to deliver educational excellence, wish you and your well wishers success.

Well done once again.

jack daniels wrote:

Gary12 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Scum of the Earth wrote: Why is it then that 15% of the prison population is Muslim, a third of the male Muslim population is unemployed, pre recession. And two thirds of Muslim females do not work. What is it that is actually going to taught in this school that is going to be of any benefit for the non-muslim citizen?

yet the UK is not 15% muslim. Not that good of a religion after all

The other 85% of the prison population is made up of facists like yourself Mr Daniels. This is a positive development. A muslim school is agreeing to allocate 50% of its place yet so much negativity. Do you think St.Wilfrid's would ever agree to allocating 50% of its places to Muslims? I don't think so...

So you are saying that 85% of the prison population are fascists?

Not murderers, rapists or thieves?

What a load of tripe! The more you type, the more crazy you sound.

You are right about Wilfreds, but I think that that place should be closed too. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Jack, which other schools should close in your view? It seems like you want all good schools to close down. Perhaps you can explain which schools in Blackburn are the role model schools.

faircop wrote:

jack daniels wrote:
And for the record, my son has just left an average Blackburn school with way more than 5 A-C grades and all this was done without going to a mosque, paying financial contributions, money from a foreign country, no selection process, or any discrimination regarding students with disabilities. Yet my son is well balanced, caring and does not think other people are less than him because of their religion. Can’t say the same about Tauheedul…..

Well done to Master Daniels for his achievement at GCSE at an average school! Regarding Jack's comments :"Financial contributions" - what was the amount given to the Hospice and other charities by this school? "Money from a foreign country" - all finances are monitored and audited by the authorities. " No selection process" - if they were selective, their CVA score would be much lower and they wouldn't be in the top schools in the country. "Students with disabilities" - the admissions policy states that statemented children are given priority - can anyone tell me what percentage of children are statemented- I'm sure it isn't 0%. "Well balanced .." - if only you were, my friend. "Caring" - how much has been raised by this school for local, national and international causes? How much did your son's school raise? "Think other people are less" - according to some comments, Tauheedul deserve less than all the other faith schools in the land ??? Come on Jack, be balanced!

Lancashire Telegraph Friday 15th October 2010
“A GOVERNMENT inspector has branded an admissions appeals’ panel at Blackburn’s top performing school as the ‘worst’ she has ever seen.
The independent panel was appointed to decide who should get places at Tauheedul Islam Girls’ High School, which was severely oversubscribed.
But the Local Government Ombudsman uncovered a catalogue of errors by the panel appointed by Blackburn with Darwen Council and slammed its handling of appeal hearings.
The errors have been described as ‘disgraceful’ by council leader Kate Hollern, who was in opposition at the time.
The panel, whose chairman was a 20-year-old student, was reprimanded for giving places to all children who were affiliated with four of the areas mosques and looking at “connections, links, support of the school” by the families of girls when making a decision.
Ombudsman Anne Seex, who considers complaints in the interest of the public, was called in to investigate the appeal’s process after complaints from two parents from a group of 89 whose children appealed after being refused places at the Bicknell Street school.
The outstanding school out performs every other in the borough in exam results and regularly has 300 applications for fewer than 100 places.
Because of the number of appeals the school asked for an independent panel to be put together by the council.
“For the Ombudsman to say they have never seen such maladministration before is disgraceful.
"There were a catalogue of errors.”
Coun Parvaiz Akhtar, who has been involved with the school, said:
"This is blatantly not the case as many local people have felt the school has indirectly operated a discriminatory admissions policy which has prevented young girls attending the school.
"These findings are long overdue and Tauheedul needs to open its doors to the wider community and not the selective few.”
Mrs Farooq, who works in a school and is a carer, said: “I was only given a two-line statement when my daughter was rejected from the school.
“It said ‘sorry your application has not been successful’. It did not explain why she was not selected.
Mr Ali said the Ombudsman report should have gone further.
He said:
“You have to be a member of one of the four mosques which is difficult.
"It doesn’t matter how long your child has attended the mosque it is almost impossible to become a member.
"But you can only get into the school if you are a member.”

Seriously, you can’t tell me that a 20yr old student took it onto them self to decide who did and who didn’t get into the mosque. He would have been told what to do.

But as I said, my son didn't need religion to get these results, and he doesn't go round thinking he's better than anyone else or calling Asian girls gorah b!tch.

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Gary12 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Scum of the Earth wrote: Why is it then that 15% of the prison population is Muslim, a third of the male Muslim population is unemployed, pre recession. And two thirds of Muslim females do not work. What is it that is actually going to taught in this school that is going to be of any benefit for the non-muslim citizen?

yet the UK is not 15% muslim. Not that good of a religion after all

The other 85% of the prison population is made up of facists like yourself Mr Daniels. This is a positive development. A muslim school is agreeing to allocate 50% of its place yet so much negativity. Do you think St.Wilfrid's would ever agree to allocating 50% of its places to Muslims? I don't think so...

So you are saying that 85% of the prison population are fascists?

Not murderers, rapists or thieves?

What a load of tripe! The more you type, the more crazy you sound.

You are right about Wilfreds, but I think that that place should be closed too. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Jack, which other schools should close in your view? It seems like you want all good schools to close down. Perhaps you can explain which schools in Blackburn are the role model schools.

Just close any school which has links with religion. Schools are for learning facts, religion is for the church, home and everyday life. France has removed religion from their schools and bravo to them I say!

faircop wrote:

jack daniels wrote: And for the record, my son has just left an average Blackburn school with way more than 5 A-C grades and all this was done without going to a mosque, paying financial contributions, money from a foreign country, no selection process, or any discrimination regarding students with disabilities. Yet my son is well balanced, caring and does not think other people are less than him because of their religion. Can’t say the same about Tauheedul…..

Well done to Master Daniels for his achievement at GCSE at an average school! Regarding Jack's comments :"Financial contributions" - what was the amount given to the Hospice and other charities by this school? "Money from a foreign country" - all finances are monitored and audited by the authorities. " No selection process" - if they were selective, their CVA score would be much lower and they wouldn't be in the top schools in the country. "Students with disabilities" - the admissions policy states that statemented children are given priority - can anyone tell me what percentage of children are statemented- I'm sure it isn't 0%. "Well balanced .." - if only you were, my friend. "Caring" - how much has been raised by this school for local, national and international causes? How much did your son's school raise? "Think other people are less" - according to some comments, Tauheedul deserve less than all the other faith schools in the land ??? Come on Jack, be balanced!

Jack, I thought your comments were OK to start off with. But now, it seems as though you have started to sidetrack and you're clutching at straws. Just accept the truth - Tauheedul have got plenty more "good" to give to society - let's take our hats off to them and support them in whatever way we can!
A message to Tauheedul - ignore those who have just woken up from last night's hangover and are sending comments -keep up the excellent work!

I think that some of us are just going to have to agree to differ here. Whilst I do understand that some people might be concerned about what appears to be 'yet another' Muslim institution, let's get things in perspective; we're talking about a school here, and the people who want to run it seem to have done a very fine job not just with the girls' school, but also in their contribution to Blakewater. Hundreds of young people have benefited from this, and I want our young folk to be able to compete with the best in the north-west of England. The new school will be under scrutiny to ensure that it lives up to its promises, and I hope it does. In the meantime can we who engage in these online discussions do so in a spirit of respect and tolerance - we have to live and work together in our wonderful town... with its almost half-decent football team....!!!

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Gary12 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Scum of the Earth wrote: Why is it then that 15% of the prison population is Muslim, a third of the male Muslim population is unemployed, pre recession. And two thirds of Muslim females do not work. What is it that is actually going to taught in this school that is going to be of any benefit for the non-muslim citizen?

yet the UK is not 15% muslim. Not that good of a religion after all

The other 85% of the prison population is made up of facists like yourself Mr Daniels. This is a positive development. A muslim school is agreeing to allocate 50% of its place yet so much negativity. Do you think St.Wilfrid's would ever agree to allocating 50% of its places to Muslims? I don't think so...

So you are saying that 85% of the prison population are fascists? Not murderers, rapists or thieves? What a load of tripe! The more you type, the more crazy you sound. You are right about Wilfreds, but I think that that place should be closed too. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Jack, which other schools should close in your view? It seems like you want all good schools to close down. Perhaps you can explain which schools in Blackburn are the role model schools.

Just close any school which has links with religion. Schools are for learning facts, religion is for the church, home and everyday life. France has removed religion from their schools and bravo to them I say!

You would be shutting 30% of the schools in the UK AND 50% of schools in Blackburn. Where do you propose these kids go?

StephenDes wrote:
I think that some of us are just going to have to agree to differ here. Whilst I do understand that some people might be concerned about what appears to be 'yet another' Muslim institution, let's get things in perspective; we're talking about a school here, and the people who want to run it seem to have done a very fine job not just with the girls' school, but also in their contribution to Blakewater. Hundreds of young people have benefited from this, and I want our young folk to be able to compete with the best in the north-west of England. The new school will be under scrutiny to ensure that it lives up to its promises, and I hope it does. In the meantime can we who engage in these online discussions do so in a spirit of respect and tolerance - we have to live and work together in our wonderful town... with its almost half-decent football team....!!!

Agree with you Stephen. Good comment.

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:
What I think is a concern is that the Tauheedul Mosque and associated schools have strong religious and financial links with the Saudi Royal Family. This surely must be a concern when a foreign state can have influence over the education of UK children. Saudi Arabia is still heavily influenced by the old teachings of Islam and believes that equality, homosexuality, or even women being allowed to drive, are against the law! Anything that fails to promote European 21st century freedoms should be removed from our society

There are no financial links between Tauheedul and Saudi Arabia. The only link as far as I am aware is that dignitaries visit the school and the school has hosted dignitaries from Qatar, India, Turkey, France and not to forget Prince Philip. This surely is a good thing so that other countries can also benefit from the excellent education Tauheedul strives to provide.

Ok, it’s Saturday night and I can’t be bothered searching the internet for evidence to prove that the Saudi’s provide funding to the mosque and schools I have previously mentioned. Wikipedia does state however that “Wahhabism is the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia. It has developed considerable influence in the Muslim world in part through Saudi funding of mosques, schools and social programs” and one of these is Tauheedul mosque and school, which is why the Saudi Princess came to visit. I will prove this at a later date if required.

It is required. Prove it now. Tauheedul has never received funds from Saudi Arabia.

Could you not find a more credible source than Wikipedia? Even that does not prove your point. It would be better if you substantiate your claims and stop spreading lies. If you cannot be bothered to find the evidence, then stop spreading lies.

Hmmm, it seems you where part right. It’s not Saudi money in Tauheedul, but Qatari funds. Same wahhabi religious sect non the less. The same religious sect as Finsbury Park which is infamous for its extremism.

When I was researching this evidence to satisfy your curiosity, I noticed that many other counties in Europe have concerns about Saudi money. Think what you like about me, but the Governments of Europe are noticing very similar concerns to mine. Surely we ALL can’t be racist/fascists can we?


: http://www.time.com/
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According to the mosque's trustees, it is "widely known" that King Fahd of Saudi Arabia provided over €1 million to fund the construction.


http://www.guardian.
co.uk/society/2006/s
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A plan to build a 'mega mosque' in east London has become mired in controversy with allegations that it is being bankrolled by Islamist groups in Saudi Arabia. Opponents say it would promote a radical form of Islam.

And finally

http://www.thisislan
cashire.co.uk/news/1
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MOSQUE leaders are celebrating a £1.5million windfall after their ambitious rebuilding scheme was adopted by the royal family of Qatar. The new multi-purpose building will replace the current Masjid e Tauheedul Mosque and adjacent Islam Girls' High School and is due to be completed by the end of next year.

Gary12 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Gary12 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Scum of the Earth wrote: Why is it then that 15% of the prison population is Muslim, a third of the male Muslim population is unemployed, pre recession. And two thirds of Muslim females do not work. What is it that is actually going to taught in this school that is going to be of any benefit for the non-muslim citizen?

yet the UK is not 15% muslim. Not that good of a religion after all

The other 85% of the prison population is made up of facists like yourself Mr Daniels. This is a positive development. A muslim school is agreeing to allocate 50% of its place yet so much negativity. Do you think St.Wilfrid's would ever agree to allocating 50% of its places to Muslims? I don't think so...

So you are saying that 85% of the prison population are fascists? Not murderers, rapists or thieves? What a load of tripe! The more you type, the more crazy you sound. You are right about Wilfreds, but I think that that place should be closed too. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Jack, which other schools should close in your view? It seems like you want all good schools to close down. Perhaps you can explain which schools in Blackburn are the role model schools.

Just close any school which has links with religion. Schools are for learning facts, religion is for the church, home and everyday life. France has removed religion from their schools and bravo to them I say!

You would be shutting 30% of the schools in the UK AND 50% of schools in Blackburn. Where do you propose these kids go?

To the same school, just with no religion being involved!

Do I really have to join up the dots for you Gary? Can you not make these basic connections yourself?

You are starting to become a joke now.

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote: What I think is a concern is that the Tauheedul Mosque and associated schools have strong religious and financial links with the Saudi Royal Family. This surely must be a concern when a foreign state can have influence over the education of UK children. Saudi Arabia is still heavily influenced by the old teachings of Islam and believes that equality, homosexuality, or even women being allowed to drive, are against the law! Anything that fails to promote European 21st century freedoms should be removed from our society

There are no financial links between Tauheedul and Saudi Arabia. The only link as far as I am aware is that dignitaries visit the school and the school has hosted dignitaries from Qatar, India, Turkey, France and not to forget Prince Philip. This surely is a good thing so that other countries can also benefit from the excellent education Tauheedul strives to provide.

Ok, it’s Saturday night and I can’t be bothered searching the internet for evidence to prove that the Saudi’s provide funding to the mosque and schools I have previously mentioned. Wikipedia does state however that “Wahhabism is the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia. It has developed considerable influence in the Muslim world in part through Saudi funding of mosques, schools and social programs” and one of these is Tauheedul mosque and school, which is why the Saudi Princess came to visit. I will prove this at a later date if required.

It is required. Prove it now. Tauheedul has never received funds from Saudi Arabia. Could you not find a more credible source than Wikipedia? Even that does not prove your point. It would be better if you substantiate your claims and stop spreading lies. If you cannot be bothered to find the evidence, then stop spreading lies.

Hmmm, it seems you where part right. It’s not Saudi money in Tauheedul, but Qatari funds. Same wahhabi religious sect non the less. The same religious sect as Finsbury Park which is infamous for its extremism. When I was researching this evidence to satisfy your curiosity, I noticed that many other counties in Europe have concerns about Saudi money. Think what you like about me, but the Governments of Europe are noticing very similar concerns to mine. Surely we ALL can’t be racist/fascists can we? : http://www.time.com/ time/magazine/articl e/0,9171,411394,00.h tml#ixzz1YIfUJetb According to the mosque's trustees, it is "widely known" that King Fahd of Saudi Arabia provided over €1 million to fund the construction. http://www.guardian. co.uk/society/2006/s ep/24/communities.re ligion A plan to build a 'mega mosque' in east London has become mired in controversy with allegations that it is being bankrolled by Islamist groups in Saudi Arabia. Opponents say it would promote a radical form of Islam. And finally http://www.thisislan cashire.co.uk/news/1 534199.mosques_1_5mi llion_royal_boost/ MOSQUE leaders are celebrating a £1.5million windfall after their ambitious rebuilding scheme was adopted by the royal family of Qatar. The new multi-purpose building will replace the current Masjid e Tauheedul Mosque and adjacent Islam Girls' High School and is due to be completed by the end of next year.

There is a difference between Saudi funds and Qatari funds Jack!

There are 2 different countries. How good is your geography? Perhaps, you should apply for a place at the Tauheedul Free School.

Your views on Saudi funds have got nothing to do with the matter in question.
The fact is that no mosque or school in Blackburn has received ANY funds from Saudi. Full stop. You were wrong. Accept that you were spreading lies.

jack daniels wrote:

Gary12 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Gary12 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

Scum of the Earth wrote: Why is it then that 15% of the prison population is Muslim, a third of the male Muslim population is unemployed, pre recession. And two thirds of Muslim females do not work. What is it that is actually going to taught in this school that is going to be of any benefit for the non-muslim citizen?

yet the UK is not 15% muslim. Not that good of a religion after all

The other 85% of the prison population is made up of facists like yourself Mr Daniels. This is a positive development. A muslim school is agreeing to allocate 50% of its place yet so much negativity. Do you think St.Wilfrid's would ever agree to allocating 50% of its places to Muslims? I don't think so...

So you are saying that 85% of the prison population are fascists? Not murderers, rapists or thieves? What a load of tripe! The more you type, the more crazy you sound. You are right about Wilfreds, but I think that that place should be closed too. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Jack, which other schools should close in your view? It seems like you want all good schools to close down. Perhaps you can explain which schools in Blackburn are the role model schools.

Just close any school which has links with religion. Schools are for learning facts, religion is for the church, home and everyday life. France has removed religion from their schools and bravo to them I say!

You would be shutting 30% of the schools in the UK AND 50% of schools in Blackburn. Where do you propose these kids go?

To the same school, just with no religion being involved! Do I really have to join up the dots for you Gary? Can you not make these basic connections yourself? You are starting to become a joke now.

I rest my case. Go back to school Jack.

The Free Schools as an agenda, are absolutely for programming new front men and girlies to be whisked off into the corporate hell to act as mentors for the younger ones now being programmed in schools, specifically under the RSA's umbrella; Opening Minds.
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take note as children leave the free schools as to how many of them end up in positions of influence on behalf of their own mentors.
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its all programming, not education

Editor 1988 - I applaud Tauheedul and all they have achieved since it's inception. Just playing devil's advocate - put the Tauheedul headteacher and his staff into, say, Our Lady and St Johns, would he still get 98%? Put the Our Lady and St Johns headteacher and staff into Tauheedul would they still get 98%? Just a thought. Nevertheless, well done once again for their achievements in this summers GCSE results.

The stream of confused comments above demonstrate the failings of our education system in the past. Tauheedul has started to turn this around - they provide excellent education and turn out excellent citizens. They help and support other schoolos, they raise huge amounts for charity and they take their responsibilities to the wider society seriously - that's the sort of school I want for my kids - the only ones arguing are those that have other agendas to push or who can't get over their hatred of muslims -I haven't got time to argue with them - I say to the silent majority, keep supporting this outstanding school - its the best way to promote excellence in education in our town.

As for the hate-mongers, they want to close all the best schools and replace them the sorts of schools who have let our children down for generations - they don't like well educated children - its hard to push hatred with people who have more than half a mind!! Racism and islamaphobia depend on ignorance so its no surprise the racists want to close all muslim schools, christain schools and any other schools that promote educational excellence!

I say to tauheedul - keep up the fantastic work - we the silent majority appreciate your contribution to Blackburn and wish you even more success in the future.

you hit the nail on the head I fear with your support for half brained.......racism is not the core of all debate in which the word muslim is to be found, stop being victim mentality and realise that debate is a very old avenue to sound and balanced outcomes.

Gary12 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote: What I think is a concern is that the Tauheedul Mosque and associated schools have strong religious and financial links with the Saudi Royal Family. This surely must be a concern when a foreign state can have influence over the education of UK children. Saudi Arabia is still heavily influenced by the old teachings of Islam and believes that equality, homosexuality, or even women being allowed to drive, are against the law! Anything that fails to promote European 21st century freedoms should be removed from our society

There are no financial links between Tauheedul and Saudi Arabia. The only link as far as I am aware is that dignitaries visit the school and the school has hosted dignitaries from Qatar, India, Turkey, France and not to forget Prince Philip. This surely is a good thing so that other countries can also benefit from the excellent education Tauheedul strives to provide.

Ok, it’s Saturday night and I can’t be bothered searching the internet for evidence to prove that the Saudi’s provide funding to the mosque and schools I have previously mentioned. Wikipedia does state however that “Wahhabism is the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia. It has developed considerable influence in the Muslim world in part through Saudi funding of mosques, schools and social programs” and one of these is Tauheedul mosque and school, which is why the Saudi Princess came to visit. I will prove this at a later date if required.

It is required. Prove it now. Tauheedul has never received funds from Saudi Arabia. Could you not find a more credible source than Wikipedia? Even that does not prove your point. It would be better if you substantiate your claims and stop spreading lies. If you cannot be bothered to find the evidence, then stop spreading lies.

Hmmm, it seems you where part right. It’s not Saudi money in Tauheedul, but Qatari funds. Same wahhabi religious sect non the less. The same religious sect as Finsbury Park which is infamous for its extremism. When I was researching this evidence to satisfy your curiosity, I noticed that many other counties in Europe have concerns about Saudi money. Think what you like about me, but the Governments of Europe are noticing very similar concerns to mine. Surely we ALL can’t be racist/fascists can we? : http://www.time.com/ time/magazine/articl e/0,9171,411394,00.h tml#ixzz1YIfUJetb According to the mosque's trustees, it is "widely known" that King Fahd of Saudi Arabia provided over €1 million to fund the construction. http://www.guardian. co.uk/society/2006/s ep/24/communities.re ligion A plan to build a 'mega mosque' in east London has become mired in controversy with allegations that it is being bankrolled by Islamist groups in Saudi Arabia. Opponents say it would promote a radical form of Islam. And finally http://www.thisislan cashire.co.uk/news/1 534199.mosques_1_5mi llion_royal_boost/ MOSQUE leaders are celebrating a £1.5million windfall after their ambitious rebuilding scheme was adopted by the royal family of Qatar. The new multi-purpose building will replace the current Masjid e Tauheedul Mosque and adjacent Islam Girls' High School and is due to be completed by the end of next year.

There is a difference between Saudi funds and Qatari funds Jack!

There are 2 different countries. How good is your geography? Perhaps, you should apply for a place at the Tauheedul Free School.

Your views on Saudi funds have got nothing to do with the matter in question.
The fact is that no mosque or school in Blackburn has received ANY funds from Saudi. Full stop. You were wrong. Accept that you were spreading lies.

Jack, you have still not proved the Saudi finance claim.

Qatar is not Saudi Arabia. It is a liberal country and funds hundreds of projects including the world cup and the Olympics.

Why not admit your mistakes and apologise to Tauheedul for making false allegations.

editor1988 wrote:

Gary12 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote:

jack daniels wrote: What I think is a concern is that the Tauheedul Mosque and associated schools have strong religious and financial links with the Saudi Royal Family. This surely must be a concern when a foreign state can have influence over the education of UK children. Saudi Arabia is still heavily influenced by the old teachings of Islam and believes that equality, homosexuality, or even women being allowed to drive, are against the law! Anything that fails to promote European 21st century freedoms should be removed from our society

There are no financial links between Tauheedul and Saudi Arabia. The only link as far as I am aware is that dignitaries visit the school and the school has hosted dignitaries from Qatar, India, Turkey, France and not to forget Prince Philip. This surely is a good thing so that other countries can also benefit from the excellent education Tauheedul strives to provide.

Ok, it’s Saturday night and I can’t be bothered searching the internet for evidence to prove that the Saudi’s provide funding to the mosque and schools I have previously mentioned. Wikipedia does state however that “Wahhabism is the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia. It has developed considerable influence in the Muslim world in part through Saudi funding of mosques, schools and social programs” and one of these is Tauheedul mosque and school, which is why the Saudi Princess came to visit. I will prove this at a later date if required.

It is required. Prove it now. Tauheedul has never received funds from Saudi Arabia. Could you not find a more credible source than Wikipedia? Even that does not prove your point. It would be better if you substantiate your claims and stop spreading lies. If you cannot be bothered to find the evidence, then stop spreading lies.

Hmmm, it seems you where part right. It’s not Saudi money in Tauheedul, but Qatari funds. Same wahhabi religious sect non the less. The same religious sect as Finsbury Park which is infamous for its extremism. When I was researching this evidence to satisfy your curiosity, I noticed that many other counties in Europe have concerns about Saudi money. Think what you like about me, but the Governments of Europe are noticing very similar concerns to mine. Surely we ALL can’t be racist/fascists can we? : http://www.time.com/ time/magazine/articl e/0,9171,411394,00.h tml#ixzz1YIfUJetb According to the mosque's trustees, it is "widely known" that King Fahd of Saudi Arabia provided over €1 million to fund the construction. http://www.guardian. co.uk/society/2006/s ep/24/communities.re ligion A plan to build a 'mega mosque' in east London has become mired in controversy with allegations that it is being bankrolled by Islamist groups in Saudi Arabia. Opponents say it would promote a radical form of Islam. And finally http://www.thisislan cashire.co.uk/news/1 534199.mosques_1_5mi llion_royal_boost/ MOSQUE leaders are celebrating a £1.5million windfall after their ambitious rebuilding scheme was adopted by the royal family of Qatar. The new multi-purpose building will replace the current Masjid e Tauheedul Mosque and adjacent Islam Girls' High School and is due to be completed by the end of next year.

There is a difference between Saudi funds and Qatari funds Jack!

There are 2 different countries. How good is your geography? Perhaps, you should apply for a place at the Tauheedul Free School.

Your views on Saudi funds have got nothing to do with the matter in question.
The fact is that no mosque or school in Blackburn has received ANY funds from Saudi. Full stop. You were wrong. Accept that you were spreading lies.

Jack, you have still not proved the Saudi finance claim.

Qatar is not Saudi Arabia. It is a liberal country and funds hundreds of projects including the world cup and the Olympics.

Why not admit your mistakes and apologise to Tauheedul for making false allegations.

Yet I was right about the admission policy, but you don’t say anything about that do you…..

As for Qatar-

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/uknews/6
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-1.5m-for-mosque-aft
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-Jack-Straw.html

“Concerns over foreign funding have led Italy, France and Spain to introduce checks on the sources of foreign money used to build mosques.”

“Professor Anthony Glees, an expert on the influence of Islamic groups, said: “I think it’s a matter of grave concern that our institutions should receive unregulated funding from individuals and organisations about which we know practically nothing.”
“Haras Rafiq, co-founder of the Sufi Muslim council, said large foreign donors expected mosques to reflect their beliefs, and this was squeezing out moderate Muslims. “This has been a huge problem for the last decade. Some of the biggest mosques and institutions in the UK have been funded by foreign money and have been proven to be portraying extremist viewpoints”.

“However Qatar has also provided aid to Hamas and offered support to the extremist Muslim Brotherhood and to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran and Omar al-Bashir, the president of Sudan who has been indicted for war crimes in Darfur.”

“Like Saudi Arabia, which also funds a number of mosques across Britain, Qatar follows the fundmentalist wahhabi form of Islam.”

Whether we are talking about Saudi Arabia or Qatar, my point is still valid, which is that foreign counties are funding UK mosques and are in a position to influence the education of UK citizens.
I therefore think it is you who needs to apologise for the slander of accusing me of being a fascist and a racist when all I have done is give an opinion based on facts.

be balanced in reports wrote:
The stream of confused comments above demonstrate the failings of our education system in the past. Tauheedul has started to turn this around - they provide excellent education and turn out excellent citizens. They help and support other schoolos, they raise huge amounts for charity and they take their responsibilities to the wider society seriously - that's the sort of school I want for my kids - the only ones arguing are those that have other agendas to push or who can't get over their hatred of muslims -I haven't got time to argue with them - I say to the silent majority, keep supporting this outstanding school - its the best way to promote excellence in education in our town.

As for the hate-mongers, they want to close all the best schools and replace them the sorts of schools who have let our children down for generations - they don't like well educated children - its hard to push hatred with people who have more than half a mind!! Racism and islamaphobia depend on ignorance so its no surprise the racists want to close all muslim schools, christain schools and any other schools that promote educational excellence!

I say to tauheedul - keep up the fantastic work - we the silent majority appreciate your contribution to Blackburn and wish you even more success in the future.

Lets be fair here. Not all children need the support of a school which teaches that there ‘is but one god’ and that equality only goes as far as what your Imam says. We have all seen the Channel 4 documentaries, the terrorist attacks around the world the assaults on innocent people in Queens Park, and the opinion of leader of the council of mosques saying the Harry Potter books promote witch craft, yet you expect people to keep quiet when a mosque and school, supported by a foreign country decides to isolate itself from the indigenous population.

I also find it interesting that anybody that disagrees is labelled a fascist or racist (by the way Islam is a religion, not a race), yet my views are a lot more liberal that the preaching’s of Islam.

Your opinion about faith based schools is just your opinion. The French would disagree with you and that is there right also. You are free to support your school and bask in it’s greatness and we shall see how it progresses as the foreign money has to stretch a little further and as the class sizes increase. I find it funny that you mock the English school system, yet don’t see the double standards when its that same money now filling Tauheedul coffers.

We shall also see how Tauheedul does on a larger scale. Don’t forget that not all children in Blackburn are as well supported as the Tauheedul girls and that is something the Local Authority is having to deal with, not just with girls the school has cherry picked.


What I do know is that as the book you hold so dear is filled with contempt for us unclean infidel and we both know that is what you have been taught from an early age in your madressa. It is your faith that promotes intolerance towards other religions, women and homosexuality, yet you feel you can talk about ignorance when your opinion is questioned. That is not well balanced, that is called denial.

I sometimes think why waste my time arguing with people brainwashed from an early age; people who have never had a choice to choose their religion, but then I feel I have to do something to stop the erosion of our liberties.

I'm not sure where to start in response to the views expressed above - maybe a few simple facts would help - Tauheedul already has very large classes, it is not permitted by law to 'cherry pick' its students, its already part of the education system, its funding is already on the same basis as all other maintained schools, it already teaches the national curriculum, it is already working in support of Blakewater college where most of the students come from white working class families - there are no educational grounds for any of the views expressed above - as for the views about Islam and muslims - i could list another set of facts that would challenge those views but it won't change the opinions of people who are so anti-islamic that facts just don't matter.

As stated by others before - Tauheedul is subject to the same controls as all other schools; they are inspected by OFSTED, audited by independant auditors, checked by the Local Education Authority, reviewed by the School Improvement Partner - each and every one of them rates Tauheedul as outstanding - why - because they provide a world class education - because they outperform all other secondary schools in Blackburn - because they take educational excellence seriously and accept no excuses for under-achievement.

That's why there are hundreds of parents each year who are bitterly disappointed when thier daughters are not able to get in - that's testimony to Tauheedul's excellent reputation.

Tauheedul students take a full part in Blackburn life - they raise money for the whole community and for local and international charities - why - because their religion and their school teaches them about compassion and charity. Will this change the mind of the hate-mongers - not a chance but it will be welcome by the silent majority who know this is a great school and who will continue to support it. We say to tauheedul - keep up the good work.

Mr. Daniels - I attempted to strike a note of conciliation in an earlier post, clearly to no avail in your case. I will now try another approach, namely constructing an argument from a basis of verifiable facts.

1] 'Foreign Money'. All local authority schools are rigorously audited to account not only for the money that they have spent, but any that they have acquired it. BwD LA would come down on the school like a ton of bricks if there was any hint of money being obtained from third-party sources, and it is a criminal offence to conceal such monies. It is frankly outrageous that you persist with this line of argument.

2] 'Well supported Tauheedul girls'. Have you visited the area around Bicknell Street recently? I know that appearances can sometimes be deceptive, but we are not talking Hampstead here. My research on the school indicates that roughly 20% of the girls are entitled to a Free School Meal; that is some way above the national average.

3] The 'French Solution'; the French church and state separated at the start of the 20th century, some time ago. This did not happen in the UK, so that is an example of British culture and history. Tauheedul is actually doing something very British here, ironically, as many of the first schools in this country originated from the church. You clearly have a problem religion per. se, but Tauheedul is operating wholly within the law. The way that you have developed your 'argument' indicates in fact that your frustration is with Islam rather than with the law and the government. We should also ask ourselves to what extent the French approach has been a success, in other words are educational standards better, are relations between different ethnic groups more harmonious, etc...? Sadly, the answer is 'No' to both of those questions. Educational standards are no better in France, and the country suffers from deep levels of mistrust between different ethnic groups - they have had more than their fair share of riots! The USA also has a secular educational system; church attendance is extremely high in the US, and racism is still a shocking fact of life for many African Americans. Is the UK system 'right'? I don't know, but if you are looking overseas for better solutions Mr. Daniels, then a secular educational system is no guarantee of anything.

3] '...as far as the Imam says...' Interesting. If your exposure to Imams is a C4 documentary, then I can see where you are coming from, but I have had the opportunity to meet a number of them over the years. Some are interesting, some are pretty dull, some have views I don't agree with, and some are outstanding citizens. But the idea that British young Muslims simply hear their Imam speak and then, robot-like, do whatever he says, is arrant nonsense. Teenagers NEVER do what authority figures tell them! But why do you assume that any given Imam will de facto be bigoted, intolerant, homophobic, and sexist? How many do you actually know? I was in the pub last night, and I heard all kinds of sexist rubbish coming from the table next to me, plus some choice homophobic bile. I have no truck with ignorance Mr.Daniels, but please do not pretend that the non-Muslim community are all shining lights when it comes to enlightened views. You know that is not the case.

4] 'The erosion of our liberties'. Whose liberties are you talking about? I am not a Muslim, and I cannot for the life of me see how my liberties are in any way undermined by local Muslims. My life is barely different to when I was a child; I had pork for lunch, I read the Sunday papers, and I may go to the pub tonight. A gay friend of mine has invited me to the village in Manchester next Saturday, and if I'm lucky I might get to see some live football. I feel completely free to pursue my own interests and lifestyle. Some people live very different lives to me, and that's absolutely fine. It's called pluralism and mutual respect and tolerance. It's the British way Mr. Daniels, give it a go!

5] 'Respect for other religions'; once again, the Muslims I know are very interested in other religions, it's actually the atheists who currently seem intolerant of any religion. By the way, have you ever noticed that Muslims never knock on your door asking you to convert to Islam? That's because compulsion in religion is forbidden; they learn that at madrassah...

6] 'Harry Potter'; what?!?!? The Pope is against contraception, so no Catholics use it? Muslim kids love HP as much as any teenager!

So there we have it Mr. Daniels, an argument constructed from lengthy conversations with Muslims, travel, extensive reading, plus a bit of soul searching every now and again. I am not going to call you a racist, because I am not in the habit of labelling people, but I would have to admit to a profound sadness when reading your contributions to this debate. You are shockingly, possibly willfully ill-informed, and driven by the desire to spread lies and prejudice rather than engage with people in an sensitive. adult, and educated way. Frankly, I pity you.

StephenDes wrote:
Mr. Daniels - I attempted to strike a note of conciliation in an earlier post, clearly to no avail in your case. I will now try another approach, namely constructing an argument from a basis of verifiable facts.

1] 'Foreign Money'. All local authority schools are rigorously audited to account not only for the money that they have spent, but any that they have acquired it. BwD LA would come down on the school like a ton of bricks if there was any hint of money being obtained from third-party sources, and it is a criminal offence to conceal such monies. It is frankly outrageous that you persist with this line of argument.

2] 'Well supported Tauheedul girls'. Have you visited the area around Bicknell Street recently? I know that appearances can sometimes be deceptive, but we are not talking Hampstead here. My research on the school indicates that roughly 20% of the girls are entitled to a Free School Meal; that is some way above the national average.

3] The 'French Solution'; the French church and state separated at the start of the 20th century, some time ago. This did not happen in the UK, so that is an example of British culture and history. Tauheedul is actually doing something very British here, ironically, as many of the first schools in this country originated from the church. You clearly have a problem religion per. se, but Tauheedul is operating wholly within the law. The way that you have developed your 'argument' indicates in fact that your frustration is with Islam rather than with the law and the government. We should also ask ourselves to what extent the French approach has been a success, in other words are educational standards better, are relations between different ethnic groups more harmonious, etc...? Sadly, the answer is 'No' to both of those questions. Educational standards are no better in France, and the country suffers from deep levels of mistrust between different ethnic groups - they have had more than their fair share of riots! The USA also has a secular educational system; church attendance is extremely high in the US, and racism is still a shocking fact of life for many African Americans. Is the UK system 'right'? I don't know, but if you are looking overseas for better solutions Mr. Daniels, then a secular educational system is no guarantee of anything.

3] '...as far as the Imam says...' Interesting. If your exposure to Imams is a C4 documentary, then I can see where you are coming from, but I have had the opportunity to meet a number of them over the years. Some are interesting, some are pretty dull, some have views I don't agree with, and some are outstanding citizens. But the idea that British young Muslims simply hear their Imam speak and then, robot-like, do whatever he says, is arrant nonsense. Teenagers NEVER do what authority figures tell them! But why do you assume that any given Imam will de facto be bigoted, intolerant, homophobic, and sexist? How many do you actually know? I was in the pub last night, and I heard all kinds of sexist rubbish coming from the table next to me, plus some choice homophobic bile. I have no truck with ignorance Mr.Daniels, but please do not pretend that the non-Muslim community are all shining lights when it comes to enlightened views. You know that is not the case.

4] 'The erosion of our liberties'. Whose liberties are you talking about? I am not a Muslim, and I cannot for the life of me see how my liberties are in any way undermined by local Muslims. My life is barely different to when I was a child; I had pork for lunch, I read the Sunday papers, and I may go to the pub tonight. A gay friend of mine has invited me to the village in Manchester next Saturday, and if I'm lucky I might get to see some live football. I feel completely free to pursue my own interests and lifestyle. Some people live very different lives to me, and that's absolutely fine. It's called pluralism and mutual respect and tolerance. It's the British way Mr. Daniels, give it a go!

5] 'Respect for other religions'; once again, the Muslims I know are very interested in other religions, it's actually the atheists who currently seem intolerant of any religion. By the way, have you ever noticed that Muslims never knock on your door asking you to convert to Islam? That's because compulsion in religion is forbidden; they learn that at madrassah...

6] 'Harry Potter'; what?!?!? The Pope is against contraception, so no Catholics use it? Muslim kids love HP as much as any teenager!

So there we have it Mr. Daniels, an argument constructed from lengthy conversations with Muslims, travel, extensive reading, plus a bit of soul searching every now and again. I am not going to call you a racist, because I am not in the habit of labelling people, but I would have to admit to a profound sadness when reading your contributions to this debate. You are shockingly, possibly willfully ill-informed, and driven by the desire to spread lies and prejudice rather than engage with people in an sensitive. adult, and educated way. Frankly, I pity you.

An excellent analysis backed up by concrete facts, detailed analysis and a bit of personal humility - some of the earlier contributers could do with learning from your approach - I have never met you but I respect your stance - its why I am pleased that the silent majority (including you) are standing up to the lies and mis-representations posted on these forums - thank you for standing up for what's right and decent - our town's reputation for tolerance and community cohesion is alive and kicking.

be balanced in reports wrote:

StephenDes wrote: Mr. Daniels - I attempted to strike a note of conciliation in an earlier post, clearly to no avail in your case. I will now try another approach, namely constructing an argument from a basis of verifiable facts. 1] 'Foreign Money'. All local authority schools are rigorously audited to account not only for the money that they have spent, but any that they have acquired it. BwD LA would come down on the school like a ton of bricks if there was any hint of money being obtained from third-party sources, and it is a criminal offence to conceal such monies. It is frankly outrageous that you persist with this line of argument. 2] 'Well supported Tauheedul girls'. Have you visited the area around Bicknell Street recently? I know that appearances can sometimes be deceptive, but we are not talking Hampstead here. My research on the school indicates that roughly 20% of the girls are entitled to a Free School Meal; that is some way above the national average. 3] The 'French Solution'; the French church and state separated at the start of the 20th century, some time ago. This did not happen in the UK, so that is an example of British culture and history. Tauheedul is actually doing something very British here, ironically, as many of the first schools in this country originated from the church. You clearly have a problem religion per. se, but Tauheedul is operating wholly within the law. The way that you have developed your 'argument' indicates in fact that your frustration is with Islam rather than with the law and the government. We should also ask ourselves to what extent the French approach has been a success, in other words are educational standards better, are relations between different ethnic groups more harmonious, etc...? Sadly, the answer is 'No' to both of those questions. Educational standards are no better in France, and the country suffers from deep levels of mistrust between different ethnic groups - they have had more than their fair share of riots! The USA also has a secular educational system; church attendance is extremely high in the US, and racism is still a shocking fact of life for many African Americans. Is the UK system 'right'? I don't know, but if you are looking overseas for better solutions Mr. Daniels, then a secular educational system is no guarantee of anything. 3] '...as far as the Imam says...' Interesting. If your exposure to Imams is a C4 documentary, then I can see where you are coming from, but I have had the opportunity to meet a number of them over the years. Some are interesting, some are pretty dull, some have views I don't agree with, and some are outstanding citizens. But the idea that British young Muslims simply hear their Imam speak and then, robot-like, do whatever he says, is arrant nonsense. Teenagers NEVER do what authority figures tell them! But why do you assume that any given Imam will de facto be bigoted, intolerant, homophobic, and sexist? How many do you actually know? I was in the pub last night, and I heard all kinds of sexist rubbish coming from the table next to me, plus some choice homophobic bile. I have no truck with ignorance Mr.Daniels, but please do not pretend that the non-Muslim community are all shining lights when it comes to enlightened views. You know that is not the case. 4] 'The erosion of our liberties'. Whose liberties are you talking about? I am not a Muslim, and I cannot for the life of me see how my liberties are in any way undermined by local Muslims. My life is barely different to when I was a child; I had pork for lunch, I read the Sunday papers, and I may go to the pub tonight. A gay friend of mine has invited me to the village in Manchester next Saturday, and if I'm lucky I might get to see some live football. I feel completely free to pursue my own interests and lifestyle. Some people live very different lives to me, and that's absolutely fine. It's called pluralism and mutual respect and tolerance. It's the British way Mr. Daniels, give it a go! 5] 'Respect for other religions'; once again, the Muslims I know are very interested in other religions, it's actually the atheists who currently seem intolerant of any religion. By the way, have you ever noticed that Muslims never knock on your door asking you to convert to Islam? That's because compulsion in religion is forbidden; they learn that at madrassah... 6] 'Harry Potter'; what?!?!? The Pope is against contraception, so no Catholics use it? Muslim kids love HP as much as any teenager! So there we have it Mr. Daniels, an argument constructed from lengthy conversations with Muslims, travel, extensive reading, plus a bit of soul searching every now and again. I am not going to call you a racist, because I am not in the habit of labelling people, but I would have to admit to a profound sadness when reading your contributions to this debate. You are shockingly, possibly willfully ill-informed, and driven by the desire to spread lies and prejudice rather than engage with people in an sensitive. adult, and educated way. Frankly, I pity you.

An excellent analysis backed up by concrete facts, detailed analysis and a bit of personal humility - some of the earlier contributers could do with learning from your approach - I have never met you but I respect your stance - its why I am pleased that the silent majority (including you) are standing up to the lies and mis-representations posted on these forums - thank you for standing up for what's right and decent - our town's reputation for tolerance and community cohesion is alive and kicking.

Agree - a solid response from StephenDes. All the best to the school. I'm off now...

seen as how my comment was removed, i will repeat it.
just down the road here in burnley, we have had our schools ripped apart with the BSF fiasco, all because our schools were not intergrated enough. and now the goverment are allowing "muslim schools to open". as i said earlier, this country has gone to the dogs

willybob wrote:
seen as how my comment was removed, i will repeat it.
just down the road here in burnley, we have had our schools ripped apart with the BSF fiasco, all because our schools were not intergrated enough. and now the goverment are allowing "muslim schools to open". as i said earlier, this country has gone to the dogs

Just for the record, Burnley has never had a state funded muslim school - all the people who took part in the riots were educated in the sorts of schools you want rather than in fantastc schools like Tauheedul.

Blackburn's silent but determined majority made sure we didn't let that happen in our town - all the major religious groups and community organisations worked together to promote our town and to promote community cohesion.

The silent majority will always stand up when the racists, the hate-mongers and those that just like to cause trouble try to damage our reputation for tolerance and frienship.

The facts are undeniable but that will not bother those people - we are truely proud of our town's stance on this and every other issue related to standing together in the face of hatred.

Muslim schools are part of the family of schools - they work together with other schools to improve the educational peformnace of all our children. Tauheedul has shown the way forward with its ground breaking partnership with Blakewater.

Keep up the good work.

StephenDes wrote:
Mr. Daniels - I attempted to strike a note of conciliation in an earlier post, clearly to no avail in your case. I will now try another approach, namely constructing an argument from a basis of verifiable facts.

1] 'Foreign Money'. All local authority schools are rigorously audited to account not only for the money that they have spent, but any that they have acquired it. BwD LA would come down on the school like a ton of bricks if there was any hint of money being obtained from third-party sources, and it is a criminal offence to conceal such monies. It is frankly outrageous that you persist with this line of argument.

2] 'Well supported Tauheedul girls'. Have you visited the area around Bicknell Street recently? I know that appearances can sometimes be deceptive, but we are not talking Hampstead here. My research on the school indicates that roughly 20% of the girls are entitled to a Free School Meal; that is some way above the national average.

3] The 'French Solution'; the French church and state separated at the start of the 20th century, some time ago. This did not happen in the UK, so that is an example of British culture and history. Tauheedul is actually doing something very British here, ironically, as many of the first schools in this country originated from the church. You clearly have a problem religion per. se, but Tauheedul is operating wholly within the law. The way that you have developed your 'argument' indicates in fact that your frustration is with Islam rather than with the law and the government. We should also ask ourselves to what extent the French approach has been a success, in other words are educational standards better, are relations between different ethnic groups more harmonious, etc...? Sadly, the answer is 'No' to both of those questions. Educational standards are no better in France, and the country suffers from deep levels of mistrust between different ethnic groups - they have had more than their fair share of riots! The USA also has a secular educational system; church attendance is extremely high in the US, and racism is still a shocking fact of life for many African Americans. Is the UK system 'right'? I don't know, but if you are looking overseas for better solutions Mr. Daniels, then a secular educational system is no guarantee of anything.

3] '...as far as the Imam says...' Interesting. If your exposure to Imams is a C4 documentary, then I can see where you are coming from, but I have had the opportunity to meet a number of them over the years. Some are interesting, some are pretty dull, some have views I don't agree with, and some are outstanding citizens. But the idea that British young Muslims simply hear their Imam speak and then, robot-like, do whatever he says, is arrant nonsense. Teenagers NEVER do what authority figures tell them! But why do you assume that any given Imam will de facto be bigoted, intolerant, homophobic, and sexist? How many do you actually know? I was in the pub last night, and I heard all kinds of sexist rubbish coming from the table next to me, plus some choice homophobic bile. I have no truck with ignorance Mr.Daniels, but please do not pretend that the non-Muslim community are all shining lights when it comes to enlightened views. You know that is not the case.

4] 'The erosion of our liberties'. Whose liberties are you talking about? I am not a Muslim, and I cannot for the life of me see how my liberties are in any way undermined by local Muslims. My life is barely different to when I was a child; I had pork for lunch, I read the Sunday papers, and I may go to the pub tonight. A gay friend of mine has invited me to the village in Manchester next Saturday, and if I'm lucky I might get to see some live football. I feel completely free to pursue my own interests and lifestyle. Some people live very different lives to me, and that's absolutely fine. It's called pluralism and mutual respect and tolerance. It's the British way Mr. Daniels, give it a go!

5] 'Respect for other religions'; once again, the Muslims I know are very interested in other religions, it's actually the atheists who currently seem intolerant of any religion. By the way, have you ever noticed that Muslims never knock on your door asking you to convert to Islam? That's because compulsion in religion is forbidden; they learn that at madrassah...

6] 'Harry Potter'; what?!?!? The Pope is against contraception, so no Catholics use it? Muslim kids love HP as much as any teenager!

So there we have it Mr. Daniels, an argument constructed from lengthy conversations with Muslims, travel, extensive reading, plus a bit of soul searching every now and again. I am not going to call you a racist, because I am not in the habit of labelling people, but I would have to admit to a profound sadness when reading your contributions to this debate. You are shockingly, possibly willfully ill-informed, and driven by the desire to spread lies and prejudice rather than engage with people in an sensitive. adult, and educated way. Frankly, I pity you.

Ok, so lets have another look at the facts.

1) Free schools do not fall within local authority control and get their funding direct from the Government, so therefore the BWD LA has nothing to do with it and will refrain from conducting any brick based escapades. This little bit of info comes from the actual article we are commenting on by the way…

Did anybody say the money was being concealed? Not by me! It seems you are making things up to justify your argument. As for donations, I seem to recall that my daughter’s primary school asked for contributions on a regular basis from the parents. Of course, not all of our schools have wealthy overseas contributors.

2) I agree that the area is one of the poorest parts of Blackburn, but not all the school kids are from that area. Blackburn as a whole is above the national average for entitlement to school meals, so you actually have argued what exactly? What I do know is that I have not raised this so you seem to be including issues I have not brought up to discredit my opinion. A little unfair really.

3a)Not only do I have a problem with religion in schools but it is also an opinion shared by Coun David Foster, leader of the Liberal Democrats within BwD. I also never said that the school was breaking the law, again, you seem to be including issues I have not brought up. Your issues around riots in France are more to do with failed integration and high unemployment, and now that you mention the US of A, is there a problem brewing regarding evolution and science being taught in some of their schools? Yup, there is. As for my search for a perfect education system, I strongly believe that we should teach our children every side of the argument, both good and bad and I do not believe this is the case when religion is predominant in our schools. Is that too much to ask?

3b) So you are comparing the drunken ramblings in a pub with the biggest growing religion in the world. That’s a low opinion of Islam you have there if you are. My issue is that the Koran has concerns with freedoms and life choices that 21st century Europe now takes for granted. People are entitled to their opinions, but if the teaching of your faith are homophobic and sexist, then it become all the trickier. I recall Baroness Wahsi on Question Time when somebody pointed out her negative comments about homosexuality. It was the same opinion as that idiot from the BNP.

4+5) Obviously there is no compulsion in the UK. That would be silly. If we travel over to Iran and Pakistan we see a very different picture regarding the persecution of Christians. This is unlikely to happen here, yet when you have funding for mosques from Qatar and Saudi Arabia, and the concerns around Europe this is creating, its not just little old me that has alarm bells ringing. If you don't believe me, google it.

6) But the point is that this local mosque leader was against this book of fiction. The point I was making is justified in your comment, when you get smug and sum up, states “extensive reading” as one of your fine point yet this esteemed mosque leader is clearly sending out a message to his fellow muslims that they should be restricted in their choice of literature. Would this same person ban Lady Chatterley’s lover or 1984 in our schools? Are we prepared to take the risk? Are you happy about censorship?

As I said, you get a bit smug at this point and seem to think you are the only person that has read some books or travelled. Sorry to burst your bubble old bean but it’s a small world out there. You have your opinion and I have mine. I also backed up my concerns with facts and not just opinions or stories from the pub, so pity me all you want, at least I know my head is not buried in the sand.

At last, some sanity, balance and reason in the last few posts. Genuine respect and tolerance is what ultimately will bind us together, narrow-minded mud slinging and bigotry is cheap and lazy. Have a peaceful week LET readers!

Gary12 wrote:

be balanced in reports wrote:

StephenDes wrote: Mr. Daniels - I attempted to strike a note of conciliation in an earlier post, clearly to no avail in your case. I will now try another approach, namely constructing an argument from a basis of verifiable facts. 1] 'Foreign Money'. All local authority schools are rigorously audited to account not only for the money that they have spent, but any that they have acquired it. BwD LA would come down on the school like a ton of bricks if there was any hint of money being obtained from third-party sources, and it is a criminal offence to conceal such monies. It is frankly outrageous that you persist with this line of argument. 2] 'Well supported Tauheedul girls'. Have you visited the area around Bicknell Street recently? I know that appearances can sometimes be deceptive, but we are not talking Hampstead here. My research on the school indicates that roughly 20% of the girls are entitled to a Free School Meal; that is some way above the national average. 3] The 'French Solution'; the French church and state separated at the start of the 20th century, some time ago. This did not happen in the UK, so that is an example of British culture and history. Tauheedul is actually doing something very British here, ironically, as many of the first schools in this country originated from the church. You clearly have a problem religion per. se, but Tauheedul is operating wholly within the law. The way that you have developed your 'argument' indicates in fact that your frustration is with Islam rather than with the law and the government. We should also ask ourselves to what extent the French approach has been a success, in other words are educational standards better, are relations between different ethnic groups more harmonious, etc...? Sadly, the answer is 'No' to both of those questions. Educational standards are no better in France, and the country suffers from deep levels of mistrust between different ethnic groups - they have had more than their fair share of riots! The USA also has a secular educational system; church attendance is extremely high in the US, and racism is still a shocking fact of life for many African Americans. Is the UK system 'right'? I don't know, but if you are looking overseas for better solutions Mr. Daniels, then a secular educational system is no guarantee of anything. 3] '...as far as the Imam says...' Interesting. If your exposure to Imams is a C4 documentary, then I can see where you are coming from, but I have had the opportunity to meet a number of them over the years. Some are interesting, some are pretty dull, some have views I don't agree with, and some are outstanding citizens. But the idea that British young Muslims simply hear their Imam speak and then, robot-like, do whatever he says, is arrant nonsense. Teenagers NEVER do what authority figures tell them! But why do you assume that any given Imam will de facto be bigoted, intolerant, homophobic, and sexist? How many do you actually know? I was in the pub last night, and I heard all kinds of sexist rubbish coming from the table next to me, plus some choice homophobic bile. I have no truck with ignorance Mr.Daniels, but please do not pretend that the non-Muslim community are all shining lights when it comes to enlightened views. You know that is not the case. 4] 'The erosion of our liberties'. Whose liberties are you talking about? I am not a Muslim, and I cannot for the life of me see how my liberties are in any way undermined by local Muslims. My life is barely different to when I was a child; I had pork for lunch, I read the Sunday papers, and I may go to the pub tonight. A gay friend of mine has invited me to the village in Manchester next Saturday, and if I'm lucky I might get to see some live football. I feel completely free to pursue my own interests and lifestyle. Some people live very different lives to me, and that's absolutely fine. It's called pluralism and mutual respect and tolerance. It's the British way Mr. Daniels, give it a go! 5] 'Respect for other religions'; once again, the Muslims I know are very interested in other religions, it's actually the atheists who currently seem intolerant of any religion. By the way, have you ever noticed that Muslims never knock on your door asking you to convert to Islam? That's because compulsion in religion is forbidden; they learn that at madrassah... 6] 'Harry Potter'; what?!?!? The Pope is against contraception, so no Catholics use it? Muslim kids love HP as much as any teenager! So there we have it Mr. Daniels, an argument constructed from lengthy conversations with Muslims, travel, extensive reading, plus a bit of soul searching every now and again. I am not going to call you a racist, because I am not in the habit of labelling people, but I would have to admit to a profound sadness when reading your contributions to this debate. You are shockingly, possibly willfully ill-informed, and driven by the desire to spread lies and prejudice rather than engage with people in an sensitive. adult, and educated way. Frankly, I pity you.

An excellent analysis backed up by concrete facts, detailed analysis and a bit of personal humility - some of the earlier contributers could do with learning from your approach - I have never met you but I respect your stance - its why I am pleased that the silent majority (including you) are standing up to the lies and mis-representations posted on these forums - thank you for standing up for what's right and decent - our town's reputation for tolerance and community cohesion is alive and kicking.

Agree - a solid response from StephenDes. All the best to the school. I'm off now...

All the best Gary12 - we know our community is safe from the hate-mongers as long as there are good decent people like you making the case for tolerance, understanding and respect; and as long as there are brilliant schools like Tauheedul turning out highly educated, charitable and compassionate young people who care about their parents, their neighbours and their community.

Keep up the good work.

Thanks to all those of you who took the time to speak up for the good and decent people of Blackburn - the silent majority has spoken - its great that we now have a substantail number of honest decent and responsible people who are prepared to speak up for our children, our communities and our town.

Tauheedul is a great school and Balackburn is a great town - our reputation for tolerance and friendship is intact - we will carry on doing what is right - education is the way forward for our children and our society - keep up the great work.

Good night.

Jack has continued his tirade but not yet provided any evidence of the Saudi finance link.

Jack, you are a confused person. What has BwD Council done for the other schools? Tauheedul will continue to be regulated by Ofsted and other statutory bodies including central government.

It is time to move on. Hope Tauheedul establishes a chain of free schools across the UK to promote educational excellence across all communities.

Keep up the excellent work.

be balanced in reports wrote:
Thanks to all those of you who took the time to speak up for the good and decent people of Blackburn - the silent majority has spoken - its great that we now have a substantail number of honest decent and responsible people who are prepared to speak up for our children, our communities and our town. Tauheedul is a great school and Balackburn is a great town - our reputation for tolerance and friendship is intact - we will carry on doing what is right - education is the way forward for our children and our society - keep up the great work. Good night.

Thanks to you as well.

This whole discussion has affirmed the overwhelming support for Tauheedul and we need to continue the journey of defending the truth and promoting peace and tolerance.

Dear Mr. Daniels,

I thought I would be able to start my week without having to return to this topic, but sadly it looks like I will have once again to address your last posting to both correct inaccuracies and suggest more enlightened and inclusive ways of thinking. So here we go...!!!

1] You said, in your 5.55pm posting yesterday, '...when a mosque and a school, supported by a school, supported by a foreign country, decides to isolate itself from the indigenous population...' The implication is very clear here Mr. Daniels, that the school is in receipt of money from abroad, and that is not the case. Yes, the new Free School will not be under LA control, but do you imagine, given the scrutiny that all finances are under at the moment, that the accounts in the new school will not be pored over by numerous accountants?

2] I am struggling with your use of the word 'indigenous'. Do you mean 'white'? If you are born in the UK, then you are indigenous, aren't you...?!?!?! You have to accept the fact that one can be both Muslim and indigenous, and also British.

3] '... assaults on innocent people in Queens Park...' How on earth can you lay these criminal acts at the door of Islam, these idiots are yobs, pure and simple. If a non-Muslim is involved in an assault, then is it because they are 'British', and 'Britain' encourages violence?!?!? This is lazy thinking.

4] Baroness Warsi and her homophbia. This links with the point above; the Baroness may choose to use her faith to justify her homophobia, but many other non-Muslims share her views. How does Chris Grayling MP justify his views, for example?

5] Pakistan, Iran, and Christian freedom; yes, I'm with you here, the situation is unacceptable. Just as it is in North Korea and China, where religious freedom is also at a premium. The Chinese government has all but eliminated the rich Buddhist culture in Tibet. Some of the most intolerant countries of the 20th century with respect to religion, and who engaged in shocking repression, were to be found in the former eastern bloc, all of whom espoused 'Scientific Atheism.' If I follow your style of thinking Mr. Daniels, I would feel obliged to reject science and logic because it had been distorted to oppress people and deny them their human rights. What we are in fact dealing with here is the abuse of power, which can happen in the name of both religion and science. Extremism is the issue.

6] Creationism; Free Schools are not allowed to teach Creationism, it's in the legislation. I agree with your concern about some 'anti-science' tendencies in the US, and am pleased that the DfE has taken this line in the UK.

In conclusion, I am not implying that you are personally neither well-read, nor well-travelled. Nevertheless your comments about Islam, your linking of any individual utterances or acts of stupidity which happen to originate from a Muslim to the faith as a whole, are resonant of the tabloids at their very worst, in other words sensationalist and needlessly scare-mongering. Your approach will only lead to more tension, more misunderstanding, and more mistrust. It's a dead-end Mr. Daniels, and if any-one is 'brainwashed' - what a patronising term to use to a group of people who are clearly taking education very seriously! - then sadly it is you.

wow... I thought Jack Daniels came back well.....

till I read Stephen Des's comment... Bouncer !!

so lets now look at the reality of global politics.
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the Work Programme being set fourth by this fascist government on the orders of fascism itself, the corporations, is exactly that...global. What is being set fourth is the means for every government in the global corporate stakeholder communities to be able to shift foreign nationals into foreign civil systems so they can continue to capture state offices without any revolt within each respective civil system.
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Offshoring, nearshoring and landed resources show this reality administered by the auditors, in the case of the Mandatory Work Programme that would be Deloitte.
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The free schools while beginning with native brits whatever religion, will be swamped very soon with these global work programme operatives from outside each respective nation...programming them to the agenda of globalisation under the Chinese social model.
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be you Christian, Muslim, Jew or other, none of you want what this really means, though of course, purposefully, none of you are meant to understand what it is, you are only supposed to believe what you are stating is fact, and away you go..
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Everything that is funded today serves not each country, it serves the new world order, in spite of your basic lack of understanding as to what is going on in the shadows, everything is funded by the corporate for the corporate. In the traditions of spiritual teachings what is going on is the use of egos to serve the agenda of the masters, that means you, be you for the free schools or not. This is called controlled opposition, it is achieved by supporting minds espousing the right limited grasp on world affairs, ergo, the nays and the yays moving the shadow script in absolute ignorance of the shadow masters.

Hello Stephen.

Interesting that NOBODY is actually making you reply to my posts. If I am inaccurate, then surely the free thinking readers of this website will know this. Maybe you don’t like independent thought and truly support censorship. Anyway to respond to your comments that you have made under duress…

1) The Tauheedul Islam Girls’ School is directly linked to the Mosque of the same name. This mosque received funding from the Qatar Royal family back in £1.5million of funding back in 2007 and the article in the LT states “The new multi-purpose building will replace the current Masjid e Tauheedul Mosque and adjacent Islam Girls' High School”. Also, the level of scrutiny is debatable and just a hypothesis on your part, with NO FACTS to substantiate this at this time. It will receive the same scrutiny as any other school or are you accusing OFSTED of being racist?


2) This is just being petty on your part. Is their a better way to describe the non-muslim/Asian community? A quick look on a on line dictionary has

indigenous as -

originating or occurring naturally (in a country, region, etc.); native

-originating where it is found; "the autochthonal fauna of Australia includes the kangaroo"; "autochthonous rocks and people and folktales"; "endemic folkways"; "the Ainu are indigenous to the northernmost islands of Japan"

I don’t know about you but I think that covers it pretty well!

3)But when we look at it in context I wrote it in, we see that I was raising concerns about how the preaching of Islam and how there is evidence of how it incites hatred towards other cultures. If you preach hatred long enough, especially to children in a medressas at an early age, you are going to have an impact. Are you saying the Channel 4 dispatches programmes are false? What proof do you have?
Lazy arguing I think!

4)Who’s Chris Grayling MP? What do I care? I had already said that Nick Griffin had the same opinion as her so all you have done is ADD to the list of homophobic morons I started. We could do this all night but it does not alter what I stated, which was that “ My issue is that the Koran has concerns with freedoms and life choices that 21st century Europe now takes for granted” and this is still relevant. I had already stated that “People are entitled to their opinions, but if the teaching of your faith are homophobic and sexist, then it become all the trickier”. We are not talking about individuals, we are talking about a religion in 21st Century Europe. Schools are now teaching about Gays, lesbians and cross gender in schools, but somehow I wonder if this will be in Tauheedul.

4) Good, It’s nice to see your equality coming out. The difference between my example and yours however, is that my examples do have a well established religion and it is this persecution of other faiths that is the problem, not the political ideology of the ruling classes. When we look at the political spectrum in today’s modern Europe, we see a push for equality and freedom and extremist parties such as the BNP are marginalised for their hatred. We have moved on from the Nazi party and Stalin’s USSR. Clearly EU citizens are entitled to choose both religion and/or science, but this is because they have had the chance to learn both. What I have noticed however is a number of articles regarding the funding from Saudi Arabia and Qatar for mosques and education centres around the world. There has been further concerns about extremism in Islam and this has been mentioned by a number of European leaders. Whether you agree with me or not; my concerns are echoed by many people, both in Europe and North American.

6) I am glad we agree about creationism. I am not here to troll, but to voice my concerns.


Whilst you say you do not imply that I am nether well travelled or well read, you did broach the subject in a particular context and I am entitled to think that you where suggesting that I have done neither when you only have these comments to base your opinion on. There have been a number of occasions in both this and your previous comment when you made false and hypothetical statements that are unfounded. Shame on you.


I am entitled to my opinion of islam and its Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Indian disciples, and I have seen how the racism towards us infidels is increasing. You can distrust the media, and we should do well to take it with a pinch of salt, but when I have lived and worked in the asian community, I know what I am talking about. You say my approach is negative yet it is not I who has decided to create a single sex, single faith school. It is not I who has created the tension around this subject; one that has caused ripples around the EU.

The fact you still defend this, against all the evidence before you shows how deep in the sand your brainwashed head truly is.

It is your choice to reply.

be balanced in reports wrote:
Thanks to all those of you who took the time to speak up for the good and decent people of Blackburn - the silent majority has spoken - its great that we now have a substantail number of honest decent and responsible people who are prepared to speak up for our children, our communities and our town.

Tauheedul is a great school and Balackburn is a great town - our reputation for tolerance and friendship is intact - we will carry on doing what is right - education is the way forward for our children and our society - keep up the great work.

Good night.

Errr…..

actually the silent majority kept

…. silent.

There have only been about 40 people commenting on this site at the most, and I can comfortably say that that is NOT A MAJORITY!

editor1988 wrote:
Jack has continued his tirade but not yet provided any evidence of the Saudi finance link.

Jack, you are a confused person. What has BwD Council done for the other schools? Tauheedul will continue to be regulated by Ofsted and other statutory bodies including central government.

It is time to move on. Hope Tauheedul establishes a chain of free schools across the UK to promote educational excellence across all communities.

Keep up the excellent work.

Already said the money was from Qatar. Still forign money in UK schools. Any comments about the European concerns about Saudi/Qatar funding of mosques in Europe? Or are all these European nations wrong too?

Answers on a postcard to -

Tauheedul is funded in the same way as every other maintained school - the difference is they use it to provide fantastic educational standards and turn out good citizens who care about their community, raise huge amounts for local charities; and respect thier parents and teachers.

The facts are clear and the views of the majority are also clear - we reject the racism, islamaphobia and ignorance portrayed above - we want our children to get the best possible education - that'e what Tauheedul provides and that's why the Government has agreed to let them open a boys school.

I'm astounded that even someone with such a limited underdstanding can think that this government is somehow overly friendly towards the Muslim community - the fact is that they can see that Tauheedul is the best option if we want educational excellence in Blackburn - that's why they've gone for this option.

The people of Blackburn are proud of Tauheedul and all it has achieved so far - keep up the good work - we hope and are confident that the boys school will do just as well.

jack daniels wrote:

editor1988 wrote: Jack has continued his tirade but not yet provided any evidence of the Saudi finance link. Jack, you are a confused person. What has BwD Council done for the other schools? Tauheedul will continue to be regulated by Ofsted and other statutory bodies including central government. It is time to move on. Hope Tauheedul establishes a chain of free schools across the UK to promote educational excellence across all communities. Keep up the excellent work.

Already said the money was from Qatar. Still forign money in UK schools. Any comments about the European concerns about Saudi/Qatar funding of mosques in Europe? Or are all these European nations wrong too? Answers on a postcard to -

Editor no need to fall into jacks one sided comment after all there is a famous saying jack knows schidt. Tauheedul all the way what i would love to see if every school using tauheedul as a platform to better the other schools education. As long as the intention of the hierachy at tauheeduls is right nothing can stop them from going from strength to strength.

Editor no need to fall into jacks one sided comment after all there is a famous saying jack knows schidt. Tauheedul all the way what i would love to see if every school using tauheedul as a platform to better the other schools education. As long as the intention of the hierachy at tauheeduls is right nothing can stop them from going from strength to strength.

coolguy wrote:
Editor no need to fall into jacks one sided comment after all there is a famous saying jack knows schidt. Tauheedul all the way what i would love to see if every school using tauheedul as a platform to better the other schools education. As long as the intention of the hierachy at tauheeduls is right nothing can stop them from going from strength to strength.

What a fantastic idea - I completely agree - it would be great if every school could provide the outstanding teaching and learning that students at tauheedul gets - then Blackburn would really be a national centre of excellence for education and our children would be amongst the best educated in the country.

Education is a great leveller and a terrific way to help children from disadvantaged communities to get out of the poverty trap. Tauheedul has shown the way - now its time for others to follow their lead.

Has anyone thought to ask the kids what they want???
Many want a westernised life and welcome the intergration of mixed faith schools,but are being pressurised by their elders into having to attend such schools as this.

northwesterly wrote:
Has anyone thought to ask the kids what they want???
Many want a westernised life and welcome the intergration of mixed faith schools,but are being pressurised by their elders into having to attend such schools as this.

The students at Tauheedul take part in all the surveys that other schools use and the feedback is always positive - why - because they know the staff at Tauheedul will go the extra mile (and then some) to help them achieve the very best results. This is backed up by LA surveys, in the surveys carried out for OFSTED inspection and direct comments from the students themselves.

They are happy, well-adjusted and confident - they are at ease with their identity - happy to be muslims, british and blackburians - happy to come to the best school in the town and one of the best in the country.

Tauheedul is their school, they make it great and they are very proud of it.

They are bemused by people who think they are pressurised by the school or by their elders - this view is never heard from the students but always from peope who want to deny them access to world class education. They want the best and they get the best at Tauheedul.

Dear Mr. Daniels -

Please be patient whilst I extract my brainwashed head from the sand... This will be my final post on this topic, where we have seen a full and frank exchange of views, with not a hint of censorship. And whilst I disagree with pretty much everything you have said, I defend the right... etc... etc...

As a fellow infidel, I am concerned that people have been racist towards you. I am yet to encounter such animosity, even though I have on many occasions engaged in full and frank discussions with Muslims on topics where we disagree; my reluctance to patronise and employ wild exaggerations and stereotypes when talking about Islam may have something to do with this. It is in my view a responsibility of a citizen to be able to engage in thoughtful debate with those whose views and beliefs may be different to our own. This lies at the heart of a vibrant democracy.
I will close with another reflection on our ever-changing world; I am sure you will share with me, Mr. Daniels, my admiration for the way that hundreds of thousands of Muslims in the Middle East have literally risked their lives for democracy since the start of the year. Some have made the ultimate sacrifice for establishing the right to have free and fair elections, and reject authoritarianism. They see no tension whatsoever between having their faith and fighting for greater freedom and openness. When you next wish to draw attention to the actions of Muslims Mr. Daniels, please do so in a fair and equitable manner, and in the spirit of things that might bring us closer together, rather than further divide us.

I wish you a final 'Good-night'.

I want my taxes to pay for NON-denominational schools only.

Any worship is for the family and out-side school activities.

Society's taxes should NOT be used to prop up religions, their doctrines, rituals and prejudices and discrinatory practices whatever the faith.

Hi Jack

To avoid your self being ridiculed in your arguments I urge you to be balanced and fair, for example when you say the Koran is homophobic, you should add that so are ALL the other religions in the world.