Police say figures are an improvement

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Four of the UK’s 20 worst hotspots for uninsured drivers are in Bradford, new figures have revealed.

The BD9 post-code area ranks third worst with more than six times the national average of uninsured drivers, and BD8 is fifth in the table, the Motor Insurers’ Bureau has revealed.

But the figures represent an improvement for Bradford, with BD3 at number 11, having fallen six places from fifth position.

Great Horton has dropped from seventh to 19th in the table and West Bowling and Bankfoot no longer appear in the top 20.

West Yorkshire Police said a total of 1,790 vehicles were seized in Bradford for having no insurance between June 2011 and May 2012.

Inspector Dorian James, of the Western Area Roads Policing Unit, said: “We have taken some big strides in addressing the problem and we are really beginning to see the fruits of our labour.

“This is thanks to dedicated operations and close partnership working.

“For instance, Operation Northolt has been introduced across the force which provides a highly public demonstration of our multi-agency approach.

“This runs once a month and concentrates on uninsured driving hotspots across the county.

“Action days have already been conducted across the Bradford district including Manningham , Girlington , Frizinghall , Heaton , Barkerend , Keighley centre and Great Horton.

“We are not complacent, however; and we are acutely aware that there is more work to be done in areas like Manningham, Girlington, Frizinghall and Heaton.”

Bradford East MP David Ward, who has campaigned for affordable car insurance, hailed the “intense pressure” being put on uninsured drivers by police, and partnership working between insurers and the DVLA.

“What’s happening is beginning to work,” he said.

“We need to make sure bit by bit we put the pressure on everyone in the system to bring the premiums down, and that will be the next stage.”

Ashton West, chief executive at the MIB, said: “When you talk to people, it’s clear they have little tolerance for the uninsured motorist and want to see more being done.

“Overall the signs are promising, particularly when police enforcement and awareness is combined with the recently introduced scheme for continuous insurance.”

New research carried out on behalf of the MIB in West Yorkshire and the West Midlands has found a third of people do not understand the laws on car insurance.

Mr West said the bureau was working with police and community leaders to engage people and improve their awareness of the law and consequences of driving uninsured.

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9:04am Wed 22 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

How anyone can try make these figures look positive I have no idea.
4 places in the top 20 it dire however you look at it and many of us suffer with high premiums due to it, so sorry if we don't pat you on the back and say job well done because a few places have been dropped which is more likely due to other places getting worse not Bradford getting better.
How anyone can try make these figures look positive I have no idea. 4 places in the top 20 it dire however you look at it and many of us suffer with high premiums due to it, so sorry if we don't pat you on the back and say job well done because a few places have been dropped which is more likely due to other places getting worse not Bradford getting better. Thee Voice of Reason
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9:11am Wed 22 Aug 12

thatsnotmyname says...

Northolt once a month...it needs to be once a week.

Not only do they catch the uninsured but the criminal as well.

In fact it seems to work so well im surpised they don't do it every day...the roads would be dead within a week.
Northolt once a month...it needs to be once a week. Not only do they catch the uninsured but the criminal as well. In fact it seems to work so well im surpised they don't do it every day...the roads would be dead within a week. thatsnotmyname
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9:11am Wed 22 Aug 12

Apollo says...

The results are a dire indictment of the general lawlessness we see every day in Bradford. The Police with their 'action days' are a pathetic thing who lost control of the streets of Bradford many years ago with their retreat to the fortress Police stations and the surrender of, for example, parking enforcement to the useless Council. We now see the results across the entire district.

There is absolutely nothing positive about these figures or the overall situation.
The results are a dire indictment of the general lawlessness we see every day in Bradford. The Police with their 'action days' are a pathetic thing who lost control of the streets of Bradford many years ago with their retreat to the fortress Police stations and the surrender of, for example, parking enforcement to the useless Council. We now see the results across the entire district. There is absolutely nothing positive about these figures or the overall situation. Apollo
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9:14am Wed 22 Aug 12

old pecker says...

Yes the amount of uninsured drivers may drop BUT premiums will never drop back to previous levels !
ALL to easy for insurance company's to make extra profits .
Next the make the excuse we are the worst for accident Claims so premiums will go UP again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes the amount of uninsured drivers may drop BUT premiums will never drop back to previous levels ! ALL to easy for insurance company's to make extra profits . Next the make the excuse we are the worst for accident Claims so premiums will go UP again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! old pecker
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9:17am Wed 22 Aug 12

Andy2010 says...

I never understood why they fail to to reduce these numbers. PCSO's can access the AskMID site whilst out and just get them to check cars. Any car without insurance on a public road just lift and crush..no excuses...Also just target these areas and get these cars off the road...its so simple really....why they need to drive around with fancy PNC systems fitted when this information can be checked on a mobile phone I dont know. I could walk around certain areas or Bradford and absolute guarantee I could find at least a dozen uninsured cars a day
I never understood why they fail to to reduce these numbers. PCSO's can access the AskMID site whilst out and just get them to check cars. Any car without insurance on a public road just lift and crush..no excuses...Also just target these areas and get these cars off the road...its so simple really....why they need to drive around with fancy PNC systems fitted when this information can be checked on a mobile phone I dont know. I could walk around certain areas or Bradford and absolute guarantee I could find at least a dozen uninsured cars a day Andy2010
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9:37am Wed 22 Aug 12

windymiller says...

Why not fit the system to traffic lights, vehicle recognised and the police action. It would save a lot of time and effort rather than setting up check area and people avoiding it. Take it to the uninsured, don't advertise your doing it and do it for a sustained period instead of a day here and there.
Why not fit the system to traffic lights, vehicle recognised and the police action. It would save a lot of time and effort rather than setting up check area and people avoiding it. Take it to the uninsured, don't advertise your doing it and do it for a sustained period instead of a day here and there. windymiller
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9:42am Wed 22 Aug 12

Joedavid says...

I do not think these figures are improving.
Why do the Police not take action all the time?
I do not think these figures are improving. Why do the Police not take action all the time? Joedavid
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10:00am Wed 22 Aug 12

radiobantam1 says...

Last time this was publicised I walked around the Bradford Moor area and counted around 250 cars - of these 51 did not even have a valid tax disc. No high tech gear needed to prosecute these characters - and if there is no tax disc ; doubtless no MoT ; insurance - and all the other dodgy things police find behind these cars owners.
Last time this was publicised I walked around the Bradford Moor area and counted around 250 cars - of these 51 did not even have a valid tax disc. No high tech gear needed to prosecute these characters - and if there is no tax disc ; doubtless no MoT ; insurance - and all the other dodgy things police find behind these cars owners. radiobantam1
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10:07am Wed 22 Aug 12

mrleg says...

radiobantam1 wrote:
Last time this was publicised I walked around the Bradford Moor area and counted around 250 cars - of these 51 did not even have a valid tax disc. No high tech gear needed to prosecute these characters - and if there is no tax disc ; doubtless no MoT ; insurance - and all the other dodgy things police find behind these cars owners.
http://www.direct.go
v.uk/en/Motoring/Own
ingAVehicle/UntaxedV
ehicle/DG_4022073 Just use this link, radiobantam, and get them all reported. I do.
[quote][p][bold]radiobantam1[/bold] wrote: Last time this was publicised I walked around the Bradford Moor area and counted around 250 cars - of these 51 did not even have a valid tax disc. No high tech gear needed to prosecute these characters - and if there is no tax disc ; doubtless no MoT ; insurance - and all the other dodgy things police find behind these cars owners.[/p][/quote]http://www.direct.go v.uk/en/Motoring/Own ingAVehicle/UntaxedV ehicle/DG_4022073 Just use this link, radiobantam, and get them all reported. I do. mrleg
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10:14am Wed 22 Aug 12

Steampig says...

and the common denominator ??

all uninsured cars should be siezed and crushed . no second chances. no excuses. massive fines outweighing the ridiculous cost of insurance (caused in large part by the uninsured) would also serve to deter
and the common denominator ?? all uninsured cars should be siezed and crushed . no second chances. no excuses. massive fines outweighing the ridiculous cost of insurance (caused in large part by the uninsured) would also serve to deter Steampig
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10:16am Wed 22 Aug 12

angry bradfordian says...

“THIS RUNS ONCE A MONTH"

This statement from the police has made me as angry as anything I've ever read in the T&A.

What are the police doing the other 30 days of the month? We've known for at least a year that there's a massive problem and the police seem to think they're doing a great job by spending 3% of their time dealing with the issue!
If it's a resource issue, where do they find the time & money to put speed camera vans out every day of the month?
“THIS RUNS ONCE A MONTH" This statement from the police has made me as angry as anything I've ever read in the T&A. What are the police doing the other 30 days of the month? We've known for at least a year that there's a massive problem and the police seem to think they're doing a great job by spending 3% of their time dealing with the issue! If it's a resource issue, where do they find the time & money to put speed camera vans out every day of the month? angry bradfordian
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10:33am Wed 22 Aug 12

dazp says...

SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY
SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY dazp
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10:39am Wed 22 Aug 12

PTN says...

Andy2010 wrote:
I never understood why they fail to to reduce these numbers. PCSO's can access the AskMID site whilst out and just get them to check cars. Any car without insurance on a public road just lift and crush..no excuses...Also just target these areas and get these cars off the road...its so simple really....why they need to drive around with fancy PNC systems fitted when this information can be checked on a mobile phone I dont know. I could walk around certain areas or Bradford and absolute guarantee I could find at least a dozen uninsured cars a day
Its very frustrating for them becuase of stupid red tape they are not allowed to touch them unless the driver is present and has the keys. I agree they should be able to just lift any car if it comes up insurance not shown but unfortunately its not allowed due to all the silly technicalities that go with most laws. The whole legislation around this needs revisiting as some very minor tweaks would really make a massive difference.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I never understood why they fail to to reduce these numbers. PCSO's can access the AskMID site whilst out and just get them to check cars. Any car without insurance on a public road just lift and crush..no excuses...Also just target these areas and get these cars off the road...its so simple really....why they need to drive around with fancy PNC systems fitted when this information can be checked on a mobile phone I dont know. I could walk around certain areas or Bradford and absolute guarantee I could find at least a dozen uninsured cars a day[/p][/quote]Its very frustrating for them becuase of stupid red tape they are not allowed to touch them unless the driver is present and has the keys. I agree they should be able to just lift any car if it comes up insurance not shown but unfortunately its not allowed due to all the silly technicalities that go with most laws. The whole legislation around this needs revisiting as some very minor tweaks would really make a massive difference. PTN
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10:39am Wed 22 Aug 12

Whatthejuice says...

Can Mr West provide a list of community leaders within Bradford by post code as I am not aware of who mine is.
Can Mr West provide a list of community leaders within Bradford by post code as I am not aware of who mine is. Whatthejuice
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10:46am Wed 22 Aug 12

TheLionsof1967 says...

The majority of these uninsured drivers are young males, with high performance cars, and often still living at home with their parents who must be aware that the car is uninsured, and also must be surprised where the money for the flash car cam from in the first place?. So hold the whole family responsible, dont just crush the car, demolish the house too! Teach them all a good lesson! Flash car, seemingly endless wads of cash, but no MOT or Insurance, Strange folk. Hope this does not offend any law-breakers!
The majority of these uninsured drivers are young males, with high performance cars, and often still living at home with their parents who must be aware that the car is uninsured, and also must be surprised where the money for the flash car cam from in the first place?. So hold the whole family responsible, dont just crush the car, demolish the house too! Teach them all a good lesson! Flash car, seemingly endless wads of cash, but no MOT or Insurance, Strange folk. Hope this does not offend any law-breakers! TheLionsof1967
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10:49am Wed 22 Aug 12

vax2002 says...

The worst offenders worked out how to beat the system long ago, they know all they need is the car not to flag up on camera and it's away scot free.
Until random stop checks on drivers identities take place the problem will escalate.
Many are not who they say.
The worst offenders worked out how to beat the system long ago, they know all they need is the car not to flag up on camera and it's away scot free. Until random stop checks on drivers identities take place the problem will escalate. Many are not who they say. vax2002
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10:53am Wed 22 Aug 12

TheLionsof1967 says...

agreed Vax2002. Many drivers are not who they say they are. but some of our residents use several names, just read our court cases - "Paul Smith" also known as "Peter Clark", and so on. Except the names are not Smith or Clark are they? Think you get my drift.
agreed Vax2002. Many drivers are not who they say they are. but some of our residents use several names, just read our court cases - "Paul Smith" also known as "Peter Clark", and so on. Except the names are not Smith or Clark are they? Think you get my drift. TheLionsof1967
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11:01am Wed 22 Aug 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Whatthejuice wrote:
Can Mr West provide a list of community leaders within Bradford by post code as I am not aware of who mine is.
You mean these self apointed community leaders.
Our area has councillors who are voted for, many community leaders the T&A refer to don't appear to have any reason for them to be called community leaders as the public don't vote for them.
[quote][p][bold]Whatthejuice[/bold] wrote: Can Mr West provide a list of community leaders within Bradford by post code as I am not aware of who mine is.[/p][/quote]You mean these self apointed community leaders. Our area has councillors who are voted for, many community leaders the T&A refer to don't appear to have any reason for them to be called community leaders as the public don't vote for them. Thee Voice of Reason
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11:05am Wed 22 Aug 12

J B PRIESTLEY says...

"New research carried out on behalf of the MIB in West Yorkshire and the West Midlands has found a third of people do not understand the laws on car insurance" THE LAW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ! SIMPLES!!!
"New research carried out on behalf of the MIB in West Yorkshire and the West Midlands has found a third of people do not understand the laws on car insurance" THE LAW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ! SIMPLES!!! J B PRIESTLEY
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11:19am Wed 22 Aug 12

AntiDrug says...

Hi what they doing for the other 30 days?
Driving about like Idiots causing hassle everywhere, Chasing boy racers
They as for public support then Crap on them, & Love to put the blue lights on when its Break Time, Which must last for hours, NEVER see them on Foot
, Just another nail in the coffin for BRADFORD
Hi what they doing for the other 30 days? Driving about like Idiots causing hassle everywhere, Chasing boy racers They as for public support then Crap on them, & Love to put the blue lights on when its Break Time, Which must last for hours, NEVER see them on Foot , Just another nail in the coffin for BRADFORD AntiDrug
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11:23am Wed 22 Aug 12

dudleyhill says...

As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse.
If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!!
As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!! dudleyhill
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11:31am Wed 22 Aug 12

TirNaNog says...

dudleyhill wrote:
As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse.
If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!!
Excellent post! However, it will fall on deaf ears as this board is infested with serial whingers with a poorly-concealed agenda.
[quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!![/p][/quote]Excellent post! However, it will fall on deaf ears as this board is infested with serial whingers with a poorly-concealed agenda. TirNaNog
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11:33am Wed 22 Aug 12

Blotto says...

Perhaps the Oz system of every car(not person) having to have the minimum Compulsary Third Party Insurance (paid up front in a lump sum) before it can be taxed along with any required MoT, would help reduce some of the problem Comprehensive is up to the individual as an add on
Perhaps the Oz system of every car(not person) having to have the minimum Compulsary Third Party Insurance (paid up front in a lump sum) before it can be taxed along with any required MoT, would help reduce some of the problem Comprehensive is up to the individual as an add on Blotto
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11:40am Wed 22 Aug 12

Avro says...

Are we supposed to applaud BD3 slipping from 5th to 11th whilst BD9 has moved up the table in to 3rd spot?

Its utterly shameful having 4 areas in the top 20 in the UK and the knock on effect to those who do insure ther vechiles, and whilst it seems that the Police are doing something, certainly the problem is not being got a grip of!
Are we supposed to applaud BD3 slipping from 5th to 11th whilst BD9 has moved up the table in to 3rd spot? Its utterly shameful having 4 areas in the top 20 in the UK and the knock on effect to those who do insure ther vechiles, and whilst it seems that the Police are doing something, certainly the problem is not being got a grip of! Avro
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11:40am Wed 22 Aug 12

still got a pulse says...

J B PRIESTLEY wrote:
"New research carried out on behalf of the MIB in West Yorkshire and the West Midlands has found a third of people do not understand the laws on car insurance" THE LAW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ! SIMPLES!!!
Insurance companies don't help either. I had always thought that I was insured to drive other vehicles - it says so on my policy and certificate until a cop on TV seized a car when someone used that clause, explaining that due to little known loophole the car must have it's own insurance as well. Didn't believe this so checked policy again, found no more info so contacted ins' co, and yes, it's true! Could have been prosecuted several times due to not knowing about this con. So motor insurance, maybe NOT SO SIMPLES!
[quote][p][bold]J B PRIESTLEY[/bold] wrote: "New research carried out on behalf of the MIB in West Yorkshire and the West Midlands has found a third of people do not understand the laws on car insurance" THE LAW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ! SIMPLES!!![/p][/quote]Insurance companies don't help either. I had always thought that I was insured to drive other vehicles - it says so on my policy and certificate until a cop on TV seized a car when someone used that clause, explaining that due to little known loophole the car must have it's own insurance as well. Didn't believe this so checked policy again, found no more info so contacted ins' co, and yes, it's true! Could have been prosecuted several times due to not knowing about this con. So motor insurance, maybe NOT SO SIMPLES! still got a pulse
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11:51am Wed 22 Aug 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

Seeing as motor insurance is a legal requirement it should be taken out of the hands of private companies who charge extortionate amounts, and provided for no profit by the Government, so that ordinary people can afford it. The premium could be included with the Vehicle Excise Licence (ie. tax disc), or alternatively taken out of petrol companies profit.
Seeing as motor insurance is a legal requirement it should be taken out of the hands of private companies who charge extortionate amounts, and provided for no profit by the Government, so that ordinary people can afford it. The premium could be included with the Vehicle Excise Licence (ie. tax disc), or alternatively taken out of petrol companies profit. a reasonable sort of chap
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11:52am Wed 22 Aug 12

angry bradfordian says...

TirNaNog wrote:
dudleyhill wrote:
As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse.
If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!!
Excellent post! However, it will fall on deaf ears as this board is infested with serial whingers with a poorly-concealed agenda.
You are completely correct.

I find it very difficult to conceal my agenda of not wanting my car insurance to increase 25% year-on-year just because I have a Bradford postcode.
[quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!![/p][/quote]Excellent post! However, it will fall on deaf ears as this board is infested with serial whingers with a poorly-concealed agenda.[/p][/quote]You are completely correct. I find it very difficult to conceal my agenda of not wanting my car insurance to increase 25% year-on-year just because I have a Bradford postcode. angry bradfordian
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11:57am Wed 22 Aug 12

Apollo says...

AntiDrug wrote:
Hi what they doing for the other 30 days? Driving about like Idiots causing hassle everywhere, Chasing boy racers They as for public support then Crap on them, & Love to put the blue lights on when its Break Time, Which must last for hours, NEVER see them on Foot , Just another nail in the coffin for BRADFORD
Unreadable owing to the poor punctuation and unrestricted use of capital letters.
[quote][p][bold]AntiDrug[/bold] wrote: Hi what they doing for the other 30 days? Driving about like Idiots causing hassle everywhere, Chasing boy racers They as for public support then Crap on them, & Love to put the blue lights on when its Break Time, Which must last for hours, NEVER see them on Foot , Just another nail in the coffin for BRADFORD[/p][/quote]Unreadable owing to the poor punctuation and unrestricted use of capital letters. Apollo
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11:59am Wed 22 Aug 12

angry bradfordian says...

dudleyhill wrote:
As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse.
If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!!
It's not a case of not catching child killers (not something that keeps the police permanently busy, thank God) or not catching burglars.

My anger is at the lack of resources being targeted at something that is known as a massive problem that costs me and thousands of other law abiding motorists hundreds (in some case thousands) of pounds a year.
[quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!![/p][/quote]It's not a case of not catching child killers (not something that keeps the police permanently busy, thank God) or not catching burglars. My anger is at the lack of resources being targeted at something that is known as a massive problem that costs me and thousands of other law abiding motorists hundreds (in some case thousands) of pounds a year. angry bradfordian
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12:03pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Apollo says...

dudleyhill wrote:
As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!!
And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford.

Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making.
[quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!![/p][/quote]And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford. Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making. Apollo
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12:15pm Wed 22 Aug 12

kylio says...

Insurance shouldn't cost a million pound to insure £1000 car.
Insurance shouldn't cost a million pound to insure £1000 car. kylio
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12:20pm Wed 22 Aug 12

dudleyhill says...

Apollo wrote:
dudleyhill wrote:
As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!!
And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford.

Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making.
And the first thing the public say when stopped in their cars? Why aren't you out catching burglars and rapists!! Make your mind up what you want the 15 response team officers that cover Bradford South at any time can do one or the other. Get real or complain to your Mp about cuts because you haven't seen anything yet!!!
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!![/p][/quote]And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford. Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making.[/p][/quote]And the first thing the public say when stopped in their cars? Why aren't you out catching burglars and rapists!! Make your mind up what you want the 15 response team officers that cover Bradford South at any time can do one or the other. Get real or complain to your Mp about cuts because you haven't seen anything yet!!! dudleyhill
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12:20pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Steampig says...

J B PRIESTLEY wrote:
"New research carried out on behalf of the MIB in West Yorkshire and the West Midlands has found a third of people do not understand the laws on car insurance" THE LAW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ! SIMPLES!!!
agreed - ignorance is no defence.
[quote][p][bold]J B PRIESTLEY[/bold] wrote: "New research carried out on behalf of the MIB in West Yorkshire and the West Midlands has found a third of people do not understand the laws on car insurance" THE LAW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ! SIMPLES!!![/p][/quote]agreed - ignorance is no defence. Steampig
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12:20pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Steampig says...

J B PRIESTLEY wrote:
"New research carried out on behalf of the MIB in West Yorkshire and the West Midlands has found a third of people do not understand the laws on car insurance" THE LAW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ! SIMPLES!!!
agreed - ignorance is no defence.
[quote][p][bold]J B PRIESTLEY[/bold] wrote: "New research carried out on behalf of the MIB in West Yorkshire and the West Midlands has found a third of people do not understand the laws on car insurance" THE LAW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ! SIMPLES!!![/p][/quote]agreed - ignorance is no defence. Steampig
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12:23pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Andy2010 says...

Apollo wrote:
dudleyhill wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!!
And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford. Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making.
Same here

Sick of the Police excuses saying they are "busy" with other things. I too work and from time to time have to take on extra tasks which require more working hours for no money but I do it because THATS MY JOB

I remember when the police were respected because they earnt it...now they couldnt care less as long as their pensions are covered
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!![/p][/quote]And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford. Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making.[/p][/quote]Same here Sick of the Police excuses saying they are "busy" with other things. I too work and from time to time have to take on extra tasks which require more working hours for no money but I do it because THATS MY JOB I remember when the police were respected because they earnt it...now they couldnt care less as long as their pensions are covered Andy2010
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12:31pm Wed 22 Aug 12

westonc says...

Working in BD8 I see cars driven through red lights, at speed, people using mobile phones whilst driving, parking on yellow double lines, and children with no seat belts on. I can count 4 or 5 breaches most days on my way to and from work but these folk are never stopped. Surely if they were stopped for one of the above reasons and a thorough search done then other breaches may be uncovered. Time all drivers had to carry driving licnences with them and instant fines issued for failure to abide by the laws like 99% of the road users. They spoil it for the rest of us. I sometimes wonder what the highway code is all about.
Working in BD8 I see cars driven through red lights, at speed, people using mobile phones whilst driving, parking on yellow double lines, and children with no seat belts on. I can count 4 or 5 breaches most days on my way to and from work but these folk are never stopped. Surely if they were stopped for one of the above reasons and a thorough search done then other breaches may be uncovered. Time all drivers had to carry driving licnences with them and instant fines issued for failure to abide by the laws like 99% of the road users. They spoil it for the rest of us. I sometimes wonder what the highway code is all about. westonc
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12:33pm Wed 22 Aug 12

dudleyhill says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Apollo wrote:
dudleyhill wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!!
And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford. Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making.
Same here

Sick of the Police excuses saying they are "busy" with other things. I too work and from time to time have to take on extra tasks which require more working hours for no money but I do it because THATS MY JOB

I remember when the police were respected because they earnt it...now they couldnt care less as long as their pensions are covered
You prove my drivel point entirely, thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!![/p][/quote]And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford. Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making.[/p][/quote]Same here Sick of the Police excuses saying they are "busy" with other things. I too work and from time to time have to take on extra tasks which require more working hours for no money but I do it because THATS MY JOB I remember when the police were respected because they earnt it...now they couldnt care less as long as their pensions are covered[/p][/quote]You prove my drivel point entirely, thank you. dudleyhill
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12:45pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Andy2010 says...

dudleyhill wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Apollo wrote:
dudleyhill wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!!
And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford. Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making.
Same here Sick of the Police excuses saying they are "busy" with other things. I too work and from time to time have to take on extra tasks which require more working hours for no money but I do it because THATS MY JOB I remember when the police were respected because they earnt it...now they couldnt care less as long as their pensions are covered
You prove my drivel point entirely, thank you.
Explain how that is?

Seen as you are in the "knowledge" about this explain please.

For example a couple of cars are parked around the corner from my hosue on a public road. Neither are taxed and not showing up as uninsured on the ASKmid database. After doing the Police's job for them I rang and spoke to someone at Javelin house reported this and was told they would deal.

This was 2 months ago and cars are still being used and stil uninsured. All the simply have to do is go to the house ? Explain please how this is effective policing. Sorry I forgot they will be too busy dealing with "other" matters.
[quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!![/p][/quote]And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford. Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making.[/p][/quote]Same here Sick of the Police excuses saying they are "busy" with other things. I too work and from time to time have to take on extra tasks which require more working hours for no money but I do it because THATS MY JOB I remember when the police were respected because they earnt it...now they couldnt care less as long as their pensions are covered[/p][/quote]You prove my drivel point entirely, thank you.[/p][/quote]Explain how that is? Seen as you are in the "knowledge" about this explain please. For example a couple of cars are parked around the corner from my hosue on a public road. Neither are taxed and not showing up as uninsured on the ASKmid database. After doing the Police's job for them I rang and spoke to someone at Javelin house reported this and was told they would deal. This was 2 months ago and cars are still being used and stil uninsured. All the simply have to do is go to the house ? Explain please how this is effective policing. Sorry I forgot they will be too busy dealing with "other" matters. Andy2010
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12:46pm Wed 22 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

Strange how quite George Galloway is since his election,maybe it's some of his supporters who are responsible for our high car insurance premiums even though most are reponsible drivers who have never claimed !!.
Strange how quite George Galloway is since his election,maybe it's some of his supporters who are responsible for our high car insurance premiums even though most are reponsible drivers who have never claimed !!. nowt fresh
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12:54pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Mike Strutter says...

What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never !

I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest.

They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself !

I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ?

Answer was it just wasn't practical !

In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.
What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never ! I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest. They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself ! I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ? Answer was it just wasn't practical ! In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards. Mike Strutter
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12:54pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Andy2010 says...

nowt fresh wrote:
Strange how quite George Galloway is since his election,maybe it's some of his supporters who are responsible for our high car insurance premiums even though most are reponsible drivers who have never claimed !!.
He's too busy arguing the point of "legal rape" with Assange

After all Assange means publicity so he will be following that path for a while now
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: Strange how quite George Galloway is since his election,maybe it's some of his supporters who are responsible for our high car insurance premiums even though most are reponsible drivers who have never claimed !!.[/p][/quote]He's too busy arguing the point of "legal rape" with Assange After all Assange means publicity so he will be following that path for a while now Andy2010
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1:00pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Mike Strutter says...

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Seeing as motor insurance is a legal requirement it should be taken out of the hands of private companies who charge extortionate amounts, and provided for no profit by the Government, so that ordinary people can afford it. The premium could be included with the Vehicle Excise Licence (ie. tax disc), or alternatively taken out of petrol companies profit.
Yep indeed.

Slap x p on a litre of fuel and let the government set up an insurance fund to handle the claims and take it out of the private sectors hands.

Maybe unpopular with those careful drivers who do heavy mileage but at least uninsured drivers will become a thing of the past.

But then again thinking about it, the previously uninsured will just steal the petrol !
[quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: Seeing as motor insurance is a legal requirement it should be taken out of the hands of private companies who charge extortionate amounts, and provided for no profit by the Government, so that ordinary people can afford it. The premium could be included with the Vehicle Excise Licence (ie. tax disc), or alternatively taken out of petrol companies profit.[/p][/quote]Yep indeed. Slap x p on a litre of fuel and let the government set up an insurance fund to handle the claims and take it out of the private sectors hands. Maybe unpopular with those careful drivers who do heavy mileage but at least uninsured drivers will become a thing of the past. But then again thinking about it, the previously uninsured will just steal the petrol ! Mike Strutter
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1:03pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Mike Strutter says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never !

I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest.

They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself !

I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ?

Answer was it just wasn't practical !

In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.
Wrote this before I saw Dudleyhills postings.
I fully expect a telling off now for daring to criticise his/her mates in the "job"
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never ! I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest. They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself ! I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ? Answer was it just wasn't practical ! In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.[/p][/quote]Wrote this before I saw Dudleyhills postings. I fully expect a telling off now for daring to criticise his/her mates in the "job" Mike Strutter
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1:07pm Wed 22 Aug 12

dudleyhill says...

Andy2010 wrote:
dudleyhill wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Apollo wrote:
dudleyhill wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!!
And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford. Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making.
Same here Sick of the Police excuses saying they are "busy" with other things. I too work and from time to time have to take on extra tasks which require more working hours for no money but I do it because THATS MY JOB I remember when the police were respected because they earnt it...now they couldnt care less as long as their pensions are covered
You prove my drivel point entirely, thank you.
Explain how that is?

Seen as you are in the "knowledge" about this explain please.

For example a couple of cars are parked around the corner from my hosue on a public road. Neither are taxed and not showing up as uninsured on the ASKmid database. After doing the Police's job for them I rang and spoke to someone at Javelin house reported this and was told they would deal.

This was 2 months ago and cars are still being used and stil uninsured. All the simply have to do is go to the house ? Explain please how this is effective policing. Sorry I forgot they will be too busy dealing with "other" matters.
Ah yes, the personal bee in the bonnet! Trouble is with any conversation like this everyone who has watched Miss Marple or the Bill knows exactly how all crime situations should be handled! I don't know why the cars which you believe are uninsured, ( although you don't gave access to that information through Police computer systems anyway) but if you are unhappy then complain and if has any basis it will be upheld and a senior Policeman looking for his next promotion will be suitably apologetic and whoever hasn't dealt with it will receive a sanction. FACT. Doesn't make all the other crime being dealt with go away though and no it is not a perfect system but what is? Policing isn't a science generally it is about doing the best you can. Silly points made about Police pensions, which you know nothing about except the lies you read in the Mail, lead to comments about people talking drivel. Please stick to facts.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!![/p][/quote]And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford. Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making.[/p][/quote]Same here Sick of the Police excuses saying they are "busy" with other things. I too work and from time to time have to take on extra tasks which require more working hours for no money but I do it because THATS MY JOB I remember when the police were respected because they earnt it...now they couldnt care less as long as their pensions are covered[/p][/quote]You prove my drivel point entirely, thank you.[/p][/quote]Explain how that is? Seen as you are in the "knowledge" about this explain please. For example a couple of cars are parked around the corner from my hosue on a public road. Neither are taxed and not showing up as uninsured on the ASKmid database. After doing the Police's job for them I rang and spoke to someone at Javelin house reported this and was told they would deal. This was 2 months ago and cars are still being used and stil uninsured. All the simply have to do is go to the house ? Explain please how this is effective policing. Sorry I forgot they will be too busy dealing with "other" matters.[/p][/quote]Ah yes, the personal bee in the bonnet! Trouble is with any conversation like this everyone who has watched Miss Marple or the Bill knows exactly how all crime situations should be handled! I don't know why the cars which you believe are uninsured, ( although you don't gave access to that information through Police computer systems anyway) but if you are unhappy then complain and if has any basis it will be upheld and a senior Policeman looking for his next promotion will be suitably apologetic and whoever hasn't dealt with it will receive a sanction. FACT. Doesn't make all the other crime being dealt with go away though and no it is not a perfect system but what is? Policing isn't a science generally it is about doing the best you can. Silly points made about Police pensions, which you know nothing about except the lies you read in the Mail, lead to comments about people talking drivel. Please stick to facts. dudleyhill
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1:08pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Andy2010 says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote: What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never ! I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest. They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself ! I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ? Answer was it just wasn't practical ! In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.
Wrote this before I saw Dudleyhills postings. I fully expect a telling off now for daring to criticise his/her mates in the "job"
Probably typing it up as we speak

Fast becoming as consistent with their winging about their "jobs" as teachers are
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never ! I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest. They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself ! I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ? Answer was it just wasn't practical ! In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.[/p][/quote]Wrote this before I saw Dudleyhills postings. I fully expect a telling off now for daring to criticise his/her mates in the "job"[/p][/quote]Probably typing it up as we speak Fast becoming as consistent with their winging about their "jobs" as teachers are Andy2010
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1:08pm Wed 22 Aug 12

justjustice says...

If problems with uninsured drivers have improved, why will it still cost me over £3000 to insure a small car?!
If problems with uninsured drivers have improved, why will it still cost me over £3000 to insure a small car?! justjustice
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1:12pm Wed 22 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
a reasonable sort of chap wrote: Seeing as motor insurance is a legal requirement it should be taken out of the hands of private companies who charge extortionate amounts, and provided for no profit by the Government, so that ordinary people can afford it. The premium could be included with the Vehicle Excise Licence (ie. tax disc), or alternatively taken out of petrol companies profit.
Yep indeed. Slap x p on a litre of fuel and let the government set up an insurance fund to handle the claims and take it out of the private sectors hands. Maybe unpopular with those careful drivers who do heavy mileage but at least uninsured drivers will become a thing of the past. But then again thinking about it, the previously uninsured will just steal the petrol !
Could never understand why road tax was never incorporated into the price of a litre of fuel be that petrol or diesel, you can't drive your car without fuel so everyone would pay their share.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: Seeing as motor insurance is a legal requirement it should be taken out of the hands of private companies who charge extortionate amounts, and provided for no profit by the Government, so that ordinary people can afford it. The premium could be included with the Vehicle Excise Licence (ie. tax disc), or alternatively taken out of petrol companies profit.[/p][/quote]Yep indeed. Slap x p on a litre of fuel and let the government set up an insurance fund to handle the claims and take it out of the private sectors hands. Maybe unpopular with those careful drivers who do heavy mileage but at least uninsured drivers will become a thing of the past. But then again thinking about it, the previously uninsured will just steal the petrol ![/p][/quote]Could never understand why road tax was never incorporated into the price of a litre of fuel be that petrol or diesel, you can't drive your car without fuel so everyone would pay their share. nowt fresh
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1:20pm Wed 22 Aug 12

dudleyhill says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never !

I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest.

They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself !

I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ?

Answer was it just wasn't practical !

In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.
Hundreds of officers? Where from? Are you really so out of touch with reality? And yes Mike you are one of the people who constantly makes I'll informed comments like this who has no knowledge of the subject matter. 15 officers or thereabouts will be what you have for all Bradford South after midnight tonight which equates to
seven arrests. Might not take long for all those officers to be tied up eh?
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never ! I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest. They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself ! I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ? Answer was it just wasn't practical ! In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.[/p][/quote]Hundreds of officers? Where from? Are you really so out of touch with reality? And yes Mike you are one of the people who constantly makes I'll informed comments like this who has no knowledge of the subject matter. 15 officers or thereabouts will be what you have for all Bradford South after midnight tonight which equates to seven arrests. Might not take long for all those officers to be tied up eh? dudleyhill
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1:23pm Wed 22 Aug 12

mad matt says...

There are plenty of motor insurance companies out there who won't even accept your business if you have a BD8 postcode. Other companies will, but at an exorbitant price!
Even I struggle with 9 years no-claims and over 50 years driving experience on almost every group of vehicles.
Get ALL these criminals off the road, why should everybody else get stung because of these tax, MOT and insurance dodgers?
There are plenty of motor insurance companies out there who won't even accept your business if you have a BD8 postcode. Other companies will, but at an exorbitant price! Even I struggle with 9 years no-claims and over 50 years driving experience on almost every group of vehicles. Get ALL these criminals off the road, why should everybody else get stung because of these tax, MOT and insurance dodgers? mad matt
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1:30pm Wed 22 Aug 12

bluecorner100 says...

dazp wrote:
SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY
You could say the same about Child sex abuse and peadophilia, which is predominantly associated with certain areas, I wonder why!!!????
[quote][p][bold]dazp[/bold] wrote: SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY[/p][/quote]You could say the same about Child sex abuse and peadophilia, which is predominantly associated with certain areas, I wonder why!!!???? bluecorner100
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1:31pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Whatthejuice says...

dudleyhill wrote:
As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse.
If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!!
From WYP website

Recruitment Update - August 2012
In view of the high number of applications received during our recent Specials recruitment campaign, we regret that it is not possible to accept any further applications at the present time. 
[quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!![/p][/quote]From WYP website Recruitment Update - August 2012 In view of the high number of applications received during our recent Specials recruitment campaign, we regret that it is not possible to accept any further applications at the present time.  Whatthejuice
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1:32pm Wed 22 Aug 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

mad matt wrote:
There are plenty of motor insurance companies out there who won't even accept your business if you have a BD8 postcode. Other companies will, but at an exorbitant price!
Even I struggle with 9 years no-claims and over 50 years driving experience on almost every group of vehicles.
Get ALL these criminals off the road, why should everybody else get stung because of these tax, MOT and insurance dodgers?
Why should everybody be "stung" in the first place? Insurance companies make a fortune out of something that is a legal necessity, they're like vultures. Throw the Insurance bosses and their shareholders in jail !
[quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: There are plenty of motor insurance companies out there who won't even accept your business if you have a BD8 postcode. Other companies will, but at an exorbitant price! Even I struggle with 9 years no-claims and over 50 years driving experience on almost every group of vehicles. Get ALL these criminals off the road, why should everybody else get stung because of these tax, MOT and insurance dodgers?[/p][/quote]Why should everybody be "stung" in the first place? Insurance companies make a fortune out of something that is a legal necessity, they're like vultures. Throw the Insurance bosses and their shareholders in jail ! a reasonable sort of chap
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1:34pm Wed 22 Aug 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

bluecorner100 wrote:
dazp wrote:
SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY
You could say the same about Child sex abuse and peadophilia, which is predominantly associated with certain areas, I wonder why!!!????
You mean all the Redneck/Chav areas like Keighley and Dewsbury, etc.
[quote][p][bold]bluecorner100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazp[/bold] wrote: SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY[/p][/quote]You could say the same about Child sex abuse and peadophilia, which is predominantly associated with certain areas, I wonder why!!!????[/p][/quote]You mean all the Redneck/Chav areas like Keighley and Dewsbury, etc. a reasonable sort of chap
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1:34pm Wed 22 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

dudleyhill wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote: What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never ! I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest. They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself ! I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ? Answer was it just wasn't practical ! In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.
Hundreds of officers? Where from? Are you really so out of touch with reality? And yes Mike you are one of the people who constantly makes I'll informed comments like this who has no knowledge of the subject matter. 15 officers or thereabouts will be what you have for all Bradford South after midnight tonight which equates to seven arrests. Might not take long for all those officers to be tied up eh?
Can't disagree with your knowledge of the police service (or no service as some may claim) I know it was on a bigger scale when the London riots were being carried out last year but it did not take the government long to bring in extra resources in to deal with the situation so would it be too much to ask for say 50 to 100 officers being drafted into the top 20 areas several times a year these criminals would soon get the message when their vehicles were sold for not being insured?.
[quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never ! I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest. They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself ! I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ? Answer was it just wasn't practical ! In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.[/p][/quote]Hundreds of officers? Where from? Are you really so out of touch with reality? And yes Mike you are one of the people who constantly makes I'll informed comments like this who has no knowledge of the subject matter. 15 officers or thereabouts will be what you have for all Bradford South after midnight tonight which equates to seven arrests. Might not take long for all those officers to be tied up eh?[/p][/quote]Can't disagree with your knowledge of the police service (or no service as some may claim) I know it was on a bigger scale when the London riots were being carried out last year but it did not take the government long to bring in extra resources in to deal with the situation so would it be too much to ask for say 50 to 100 officers being drafted into the top 20 areas several times a year these criminals would soon get the message when their vehicles were sold for not being insured?. nowt fresh
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1:35pm Wed 22 Aug 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

westonc wrote:
Working in BD8 I see cars driven through red lights, at speed, people using mobile phones whilst driving, parking on yellow double lines, and children with no seat belts on. I can count 4 or 5 breaches most days on my way to and from work but these folk are never stopped. Surely if they were stopped for one of the above reasons and a thorough search done then other breaches may be uncovered. Time all drivers had to carry driving licnences with them and instant fines issued for failure to abide by the laws like 99% of the road users. They spoil it for the rest of us. I sometimes wonder what the highway code is all about.
Yes, I have even seen a Police car jump a red light and also a car being driven by a Vicar!
[quote][p][bold]westonc[/bold] wrote: Working in BD8 I see cars driven through red lights, at speed, people using mobile phones whilst driving, parking on yellow double lines, and children with no seat belts on. I can count 4 or 5 breaches most days on my way to and from work but these folk are never stopped. Surely if they were stopped for one of the above reasons and a thorough search done then other breaches may be uncovered. Time all drivers had to carry driving licnences with them and instant fines issued for failure to abide by the laws like 99% of the road users. They spoil it for the rest of us. I sometimes wonder what the highway code is all about.[/p][/quote]Yes, I have even seen a Police car jump a red light and also a car being driven by a Vicar! a reasonable sort of chap
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1:38pm Wed 22 Aug 12

bobby98007 says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never !

I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest.

They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself !

I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ?

Answer was it just wasn't practical !

In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.
So when the take the "hundreds" of officers off the street and their day to day jobs to flood a certain area. Who is going to cover them and do their jobs the following day?
Surely your not expecting them to work a 24 hour day?
For me the issue of uninsured drivers should be taken out of the hands of the police and into the hands of a private company who are either funded by the insurance companies that go around saving them money (like a loss adjustor) or a private company rewarded by the Govt/Insurers for every car they catch.
Its not like they dont know where to look for them, they keep putting the money into finding the stats to highlight the worst affected areas.
Id do it!
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never ! I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest. They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself ! I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ? Answer was it just wasn't practical ! In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.[/p][/quote]So when the take the "hundreds" of officers off the street and their day to day jobs to flood a certain area. Who is going to cover them and do their jobs the following day? Surely your not expecting them to work a 24 hour day? For me the issue of uninsured drivers should be taken out of the hands of the police and into the hands of a private company who are either funded by the insurance companies that go around saving them money (like a loss adjustor) or a private company rewarded by the Govt/Insurers for every car they catch. Its not like they dont know where to look for them, they keep putting the money into finding the stats to highlight the worst affected areas. Id do it! bobby98007
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1:41pm Wed 22 Aug 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

dazp wrote:
SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY
Generally the poorer areas where people can't afford the extortionate sums charged by the greed-driven Insurance companies.
[quote][p][bold]dazp[/bold] wrote: SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY[/p][/quote]Generally the poorer areas where people can't afford the extortionate sums charged by the greed-driven Insurance companies. a reasonable sort of chap
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1:45pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Andy2010 says...

Only thing is the if the Police or anyone else went into these areas no doubt a certain race card would be called therefore they will leave them to become the wild west whereas residents can do as they please. Besides far harder to prosecute and what the incentive to the police force ? None unlike hiding with thier cameras dishing out fines and points for anyone going slightly above the speed limit
Only thing is the if the Police or anyone else went into these areas no doubt a certain race card would be called therefore they will leave them to become the wild west whereas residents can do as they please. Besides far harder to prosecute and what the incentive to the police force ? None unlike hiding with thier cameras dishing out fines and points for anyone going slightly above the speed limit Andy2010
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1:46pm Wed 22 Aug 12

angry bradfordian says...

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
dazp wrote:
SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY
Generally the poorer areas where people can't afford the extortionate sums charged by the greed-driven Insurance companies.
That's the same as suggesting that somebody who can't afford a BMW is OK to steal one because they haven't got the money.

If somebody can't afford the insurance, they shouldn't be driving. It's not a human right!
[quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazp[/bold] wrote: SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY[/p][/quote]Generally the poorer areas where people can't afford the extortionate sums charged by the greed-driven Insurance companies.[/p][/quote]That's the same as suggesting that somebody who can't afford a BMW is OK to steal one because they haven't got the money. If somebody can't afford the insurance, they shouldn't be driving. It's not a human right! angry bradfordian
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2:00pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

still got a pulse wrote:
J B PRIESTLEY wrote:
"New research carried out on behalf of the MIB in West Yorkshire and the West Midlands has found a third of people do not understand the laws on car insurance" THE LAW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ! SIMPLES!!!
Insurance companies don't help either. I had always thought that I was insured to drive other vehicles - it says so on my policy and certificate until a cop on TV seized a car when someone used that clause, explaining that due to little known loophole the car must have it's own insurance as well. Didn't believe this so checked policy again, found no more info so contacted ins' co, and yes, it's true! Could have been prosecuted several times due to not knowing about this con. So motor insurance, maybe NOT SO SIMPLES!
That has always been the case. You have comprehensive cover but are only insured to drive an already insured vehicle not belonging or registered to you as a 3rd party insured driver. Not hidden, not small print, so it is VER SIMPLES. If in doubt, do as you did, check and ensure. Then insure.
[quote][p][bold]still got a pulse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J B PRIESTLEY[/bold] wrote: "New research carried out on behalf of the MIB in West Yorkshire and the West Midlands has found a third of people do not understand the laws on car insurance" THE LAW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ! SIMPLES!!![/p][/quote]Insurance companies don't help either. I had always thought that I was insured to drive other vehicles - it says so on my policy and certificate until a cop on TV seized a car when someone used that clause, explaining that due to little known loophole the car must have it's own insurance as well. Didn't believe this so checked policy again, found no more info so contacted ins' co, and yes, it's true! Could have been prosecuted several times due to not knowing about this con. So motor insurance, maybe NOT SO SIMPLES![/p][/quote]That has always been the case. You have comprehensive cover but are only insured to drive an already insured vehicle not belonging or registered to you as a 3rd party insured driver. Not hidden, not small print, so it is VER SIMPLES. If in doubt, do as you did, check and ensure. Then insure. Prisoner Cell Block A
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2:20pm Wed 22 Aug 12

still got a pulse says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
still got a pulse wrote:
J B PRIESTLEY wrote:
"New research carried out on behalf of the MIB in West Yorkshire and the West Midlands has found a third of people do not understand the laws on car insurance" THE LAW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ! SIMPLES!!!
Insurance companies don't help either. I had always thought that I was insured to drive other vehicles - it says so on my policy and certificate until a cop on TV seized a car when someone used that clause, explaining that due to little known loophole the car must have it's own insurance as well. Didn't believe this so checked policy again, found no more info so contacted ins' co, and yes, it's true! Could have been prosecuted several times due to not knowing about this con. So motor insurance, maybe NOT SO SIMPLES!
That has always been the case. You have comprehensive cover but are only insured to drive an already insured vehicle not belonging or registered to you as a 3rd party insured driver. Not hidden, not small print, so it is VER SIMPLES. If in doubt, do as you did, check and ensure. Then insure.
Sorry but having just checked again, no mention of additional insurance mentioned. The cover is third party that's understood, but that is only the type of cover and does not mean separate policy required.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]still got a pulse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J B PRIESTLEY[/bold] wrote: "New research carried out on behalf of the MIB in West Yorkshire and the West Midlands has found a third of people do not understand the laws on car insurance" THE LAW IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ! SIMPLES!!![/p][/quote]Insurance companies don't help either. I had always thought that I was insured to drive other vehicles - it says so on my policy and certificate until a cop on TV seized a car when someone used that clause, explaining that due to little known loophole the car must have it's own insurance as well. Didn't believe this so checked policy again, found no more info so contacted ins' co, and yes, it's true! Could have been prosecuted several times due to not knowing about this con. So motor insurance, maybe NOT SO SIMPLES![/p][/quote]That has always been the case. You have comprehensive cover but are only insured to drive an already insured vehicle not belonging or registered to you as a 3rd party insured driver. Not hidden, not small print, so it is VER SIMPLES. If in doubt, do as you did, check and ensure. Then insure.[/p][/quote]Sorry but having just checked again, no mention of additional insurance mentioned. The cover is third party that's understood, but that is only the type of cover and does not mean separate policy required. still got a pulse
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2:24pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

The other car not belonging to you MUST be insured. Your failure to comprehend is immaterial. It isn't additional, you must already be insured to drive your vehicle, the other vehicle you intend to drive must be insured.
The other car not belonging to you MUST be insured. Your failure to comprehend is immaterial. It isn't additional, you must already be insured to drive your vehicle, the other vehicle you intend to drive must be insured. Prisoner Cell Block A
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2:48pm Wed 22 Aug 12

NO51GET says...

bobby98007 wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never !

I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest.

They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself !

I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ?

Answer was it just wasn't practical !

In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.
So when the take the "hundreds" of officers off the street and their day to day jobs to flood a certain area. Who is going to cover them and do their jobs the following day?
Surely your not expecting them to work a 24 hour day?
For me the issue of uninsured drivers should be taken out of the hands of the police and into the hands of a private company who are either funded by the insurance companies that go around saving them money (like a loss adjustor) or a private company rewarded by the Govt/Insurers for every car they catch.
Its not like they dont know where to look for them, they keep putting the money into finding the stats to highlight the worst affected areas.
Id do it!
Where do they get all the extra police when a "certain march..!!" is going on..?
[quote][p][bold]bobby98007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never ! I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest. They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself ! I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ? Answer was it just wasn't practical ! In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.[/p][/quote]So when the take the "hundreds" of officers off the street and their day to day jobs to flood a certain area. Who is going to cover them and do their jobs the following day? Surely your not expecting them to work a 24 hour day? For me the issue of uninsured drivers should be taken out of the hands of the police and into the hands of a private company who are either funded by the insurance companies that go around saving them money (like a loss adjustor) or a private company rewarded by the Govt/Insurers for every car they catch. Its not like they dont know where to look for them, they keep putting the money into finding the stats to highlight the worst affected areas. Id do it![/p][/quote]Where do they get all the extra police when a "certain march..!!" is going on..? NO51GET
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2:48pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Joedavid says...

PTN wrote:
Andy2010 wrote: I never understood why they fail to to reduce these numbers. PCSO's can access the AskMID site whilst out and just get them to check cars. Any car without insurance on a public road just lift and crush..no excuses...Also just target these areas and get these cars off the road...its so simple really....why they need to drive around with fancy PNC systems fitted when this information can be checked on a mobile phone I dont know. I could walk around certain areas or Bradford and absolute guarantee I could find at least a dozen uninsured cars a day
Its very frustrating for them becuase of stupid red tape they are not allowed to touch them unless the driver is present and has the keys. I agree they should be able to just lift any car if it comes up insurance not shown but unfortunately its not allowed due to all the silly technicalities that go with most laws. The whole legislation around this needs revisiting as some very minor tweaks would really make a massive difference.
Enpower Ted from Haworth carpark to do the job, bet he get the job done and quick.
[quote][p][bold]PTN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: I never understood why they fail to to reduce these numbers. PCSO's can access the AskMID site whilst out and just get them to check cars. Any car without insurance on a public road just lift and crush..no excuses...Also just target these areas and get these cars off the road...its so simple really....why they need to drive around with fancy PNC systems fitted when this information can be checked on a mobile phone I dont know. I could walk around certain areas or Bradford and absolute guarantee I could find at least a dozen uninsured cars a day[/p][/quote]Its very frustrating for them becuase of stupid red tape they are not allowed to touch them unless the driver is present and has the keys. I agree they should be able to just lift any car if it comes up insurance not shown but unfortunately its not allowed due to all the silly technicalities that go with most laws. The whole legislation around this needs revisiting as some very minor tweaks would really make a massive difference.[/p][/quote]Enpower Ted from Haworth carpark to do the job, bet he get the job done and quick. Joedavid
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2:52pm Wed 22 Aug 12

still got a pulse says...

@ NO51GET
Are you insured to post on here?
@ NO51GET Are you insured to post on here? still got a pulse
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2:56pm Wed 22 Aug 12

BertSanders says...

The Police clearly cannot handle the situation - it has been going on for years. A private enterprise company would settle it quite rapidly - although it is hard to see what they would do after they correct the problem.
The Police have too much to do and everything is more important as circumstances arise. Were I not insured I would certainly not use the ring -road
The Police clearly cannot handle the situation - it has been going on for years. A private enterprise company would settle it quite rapidly - although it is hard to see what they would do after they correct the problem. The Police have too much to do and everything is more important as circumstances arise. Were I not insured I would certainly not use the ring -road BertSanders
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3:24pm Wed 22 Aug 12

TheLionsof1967 says...

Amazing. Some People in West Yorkshire and West Midlands do not understand the laws of the UK? Insurance? MOT? Drugs? we know who is doing it, dont treat us as fools. Bradford, Birmingham and Luton. uhhm, who lives there? Yep, they do, and plead ignorance of our rules. The Mills are gone, time to move on.
Amazing. Some People in West Yorkshire and West Midlands do not understand the laws of the UK? Insurance? MOT? Drugs? we know who is doing it, dont treat us as fools. Bradford, Birmingham and Luton. uhhm, who lives there? Yep, they do, and plead ignorance of our rules. The Mills are gone, time to move on. TheLionsof1967
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3:49pm Wed 22 Aug 12

vax2002 says...

Third party road cover should be added to VEL duty, banded according to risk and colour coded disks for each classification.
Red any driver over 25 only sdp use only
Amber any driver sdp up to six points
green any driver inc new drivers (2 years) and drivers above 6 points on licence
Blue commercial travelling in course of business (company vehicles)
Add this to VEL at cost and leave drivers to buy extra insurance for fire and theft from insurance companies, but all vehicles would have minimum cover if they had a valid disk.
Lift those that dont have a disk.
The disks are then banded according to vehicle Power to weight ratio.
So we combine minimum insurance for purposes of the road traffic act with vehicle excise licence.
The penalty for travelling with the wrong disk is 10x the cost of the correct disk.
Next problem please ?
Third party road cover should be added to VEL duty, banded according to risk and colour coded disks for each classification. Red any driver over 25 only sdp use only Amber any driver sdp up to six points green any driver inc new drivers (2 years) and drivers above 6 points on licence Blue commercial travelling in course of business (company vehicles) Add this to VEL at cost and leave drivers to buy extra insurance for fire and theft from insurance companies, but all vehicles would have minimum cover if they had a valid disk. Lift those that dont have a disk. The disks are then banded according to vehicle Power to weight ratio. So we combine minimum insurance for purposes of the road traffic act with vehicle excise licence. The penalty for travelling with the wrong disk is 10x the cost of the correct disk. Next problem please ? vax2002
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3:54pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Smell the coffee says...

TheLionsof1967 wrote:
Amazing. Some People in West Yorkshire and West Midlands do not understand the laws of the UK? Insurance? MOT? Drugs? we know who is doing it, dont treat us as fools. Bradford, Birmingham and Luton. uhhm, who lives there? Yep, they do, and plead ignorance of our rules. The Mills are gone, time to move on.
They are not so ignorant when it comes to making a motor insurance claim. They know exactly what lies to say and what to claim. My advice, if you are ever involved in an accident in any of those areas, call the police irrespective of how small the accident. Tell them you are slightly hurt and they have to respond.
[quote][p][bold]TheLionsof1967[/bold] wrote: Amazing. Some People in West Yorkshire and West Midlands do not understand the laws of the UK? Insurance? MOT? Drugs? we know who is doing it, dont treat us as fools. Bradford, Birmingham and Luton. uhhm, who lives there? Yep, they do, and plead ignorance of our rules. The Mills are gone, time to move on.[/p][/quote]They are not so ignorant when it comes to making a motor insurance claim. They know exactly what lies to say and what to claim. My advice, if you are ever involved in an accident in any of those areas, call the police irrespective of how small the accident. Tell them you are slightly hurt and they have to respond. Smell the coffee
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4:00pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Andy2010 says...

Smell the coffee wrote:
TheLionsof1967 wrote: Amazing. Some People in West Yorkshire and West Midlands do not understand the laws of the UK? Insurance? MOT? Drugs? we know who is doing it, dont treat us as fools. Bradford, Birmingham and Luton. uhhm, who lives there? Yep, they do, and plead ignorance of our rules. The Mills are gone, time to move on.
They are not so ignorant when it comes to making a motor insurance claim. They know exactly what lies to say and what to claim. My advice, if you are ever involved in an accident in any of those areas, call the police irrespective of how small the accident. Tell them you are slightly hurt and they have to respond.
Also if involved in any accident whatsoever ask the driver of the other people to sign a declaration stating that they were the only person in the vehicle at the time of accident. This will avoid multiple claims issued in future and stands up in court should it go that far
[quote][p][bold]Smell the coffee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheLionsof1967[/bold] wrote: Amazing. Some People in West Yorkshire and West Midlands do not understand the laws of the UK? Insurance? MOT? Drugs? we know who is doing it, dont treat us as fools. Bradford, Birmingham and Luton. uhhm, who lives there? Yep, they do, and plead ignorance of our rules. The Mills are gone, time to move on.[/p][/quote]They are not so ignorant when it comes to making a motor insurance claim. They know exactly what lies to say and what to claim. My advice, if you are ever involved in an accident in any of those areas, call the police irrespective of how small the accident. Tell them you are slightly hurt and they have to respond.[/p][/quote]Also if involved in any accident whatsoever ask the driver of the other people to sign a declaration stating that they were the only person in the vehicle at the time of accident. This will avoid multiple claims issued in future and stands up in court should it go that far Andy2010
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4:29pm Wed 22 Aug 12

keelhambar says...

This situation is loading insurance premiums for all drivers with a BD postcode. I was recently quoted £120 more for a quote for BD13 than for the same cover in LS28.
This situation is loading insurance premiums for all drivers with a BD postcode. I was recently quoted £120 more for a quote for BD13 than for the same cover in LS28. keelhambar
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4:37pm Wed 22 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

keelhambar wrote:
This situation is loading insurance premiums for all drivers with a BD postcode. I was recently quoted £120 more for a quote for BD13 than for the same cover in LS28.
And just what can we do as law abiding motorists apart from shop around and lets be honest the insurance companies are running a cartel just the same as the utility companies,phone companies,rail companies,ETC,ETC, well done Maggie Thacher your "market forces" are certainly screwing the working man !!!.
[quote][p][bold]keelhambar[/bold] wrote: This situation is loading insurance premiums for all drivers with a BD postcode. I was recently quoted £120 more for a quote for BD13 than for the same cover in LS28.[/p][/quote]And just what can we do as law abiding motorists apart from shop around and lets be honest the insurance companies are running a cartel just the same as the utility companies,phone companies,rail companies,ETC,ETC, well done Maggie Thacher your "market forces" are certainly screwing the working man !!!. nowt fresh
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4:41pm Wed 22 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

nowt fresh wrote:
keelhambar wrote: This situation is loading insurance premiums for all drivers with a BD postcode. I was recently quoted £120 more for a quote for BD13 than for the same cover in LS28.
And just what can we do as law abiding motorists apart from shop around and lets be honest the insurance companies are running a cartel just the same as the utility companies,phone companies,rail companies,ETC,ETC, well done Maggie Thacher your "market forces" are certainly screwing the working man !!!.
That should read Maggie Thatcher.
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keelhambar[/bold] wrote: This situation is loading insurance premiums for all drivers with a BD postcode. I was recently quoted £120 more for a quote for BD13 than for the same cover in LS28.[/p][/quote]And just what can we do as law abiding motorists apart from shop around and lets be honest the insurance companies are running a cartel just the same as the utility companies,phone companies,rail companies,ETC,ETC, well done Maggie Thacher your "market forces" are certainly screwing the working man !!!.[/p][/quote]That should read Maggie Thatcher. nowt fresh
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6:14pm Wed 22 Aug 12

ANY WHERE BUT HERE says...

Who's in charge the police or community leaders? Only in BRADFORD can the police make matters worse by every inaction, Aren't they there to enforce the law. DO YOUR JOB YOU USELESS TWA**.
Who's in charge the police or community leaders? Only in BRADFORD can the police make matters worse by every inaction, Aren't they there to enforce the law. DO YOUR JOB YOU USELESS TWA**. ANY WHERE BUT HERE
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6:22pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Mike Strutter says...

dudleyhill wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never !

I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest.

They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself !

I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ?

Answer was it just wasn't practical !

In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.
Hundreds of officers? Where from? Are you really so out of touch with reality? And yes Mike you are one of the people who constantly makes I'll informed comments like this who has no knowledge of the subject matter. 15 officers or thereabouts will be what you have for all Bradford South after midnight tonight which equates to
seven arrests. Might not take long for all those officers to be tied up eh?
Well WYP can send a thousand officers down to the Olympics !

Anyway if Bradford is as bad as they say it is it really isn't difficult to suspend the odd day off and deploy them on an operation.

Let's face it, if a riot suddenly flared up I am sure they could muster up a few hundred.

Get real Dudleyhill, it's apologists like you who are not in touch with reality .
[quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never ! I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest. They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself ! I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ? Answer was it just wasn't practical ! In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.[/p][/quote]Hundreds of officers? Where from? Are you really so out of touch with reality? And yes Mike you are one of the people who constantly makes I'll informed comments like this who has no knowledge of the subject matter. 15 officers or thereabouts will be what you have for all Bradford South after midnight tonight which equates to seven arrests. Might not take long for all those officers to be tied up eh?[/p][/quote]Well WYP can send a thousand officers down to the Olympics ! Anyway if Bradford is as bad as they say it is it really isn't difficult to suspend the odd day off and deploy them on an operation. Let's face it, if a riot suddenly flared up I am sure they could muster up a few hundred. Get real Dudleyhill, it's apologists like you who are not in touch with reality . Mike Strutter
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6:28pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Mike Strutter says...

Anyway knowing WYP they would publicise any operation all over their website and Facebook pages BEFORE the event as they do with speed operations so I suppose it would all be pointless
Anyway knowing WYP they would publicise any operation all over their website and Facebook pages BEFORE the event as they do with speed operations so I suppose it would all be pointless Mike Strutter
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6:31pm Wed 22 Aug 12

nameistaken says...

Come on there is little surprise with any of these areas..

I'm sure they will be top of many leagues.

Unemployed
Crime
Benefit Cheats

It would take a very bold person to come out and pin point the problem, But we all now what it is.
Come on there is little surprise with any of these areas.. I'm sure they will be top of many leagues. Unemployed Crime Benefit Cheats It would take a very bold person to come out and pin point the problem, But we all now what it is. nameistaken
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6:39pm Wed 22 Aug 12

TheApprentice says...

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
mad matt wrote:
There are plenty of motor insurance companies out there who won't even accept your business if you have a BD8 postcode. Other companies will, but at an exorbitant price!
Even I struggle with 9 years no-claims and over 50 years driving experience on almost every group of vehicles.
Get ALL these criminals off the road, why should everybody else get stung because of these tax, MOT and insurance dodgers?
Why should everybody be "stung" in the first place? Insurance companies make a fortune out of something that is a legal necessity, they're like vultures. Throw the Insurance bosses and their shareholders in jail !
At least part of the problem is that the insurance companies don't in fact make a fortune, they lose money on car insurance every single year which is why the government aren't keen on taking it 'in house'.
.
If you don't believe me just do some research. For example;
.

http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/finance/newsb
ysector/banksandfina
nce/insurance/935737
9/Brake-to-remain-on
-car-insurers-profit
s.html
[quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: There are plenty of motor insurance companies out there who won't even accept your business if you have a BD8 postcode. Other companies will, but at an exorbitant price! Even I struggle with 9 years no-claims and over 50 years driving experience on almost every group of vehicles. Get ALL these criminals off the road, why should everybody else get stung because of these tax, MOT and insurance dodgers?[/p][/quote]Why should everybody be "stung" in the first place? Insurance companies make a fortune out of something that is a legal necessity, they're like vultures. Throw the Insurance bosses and their shareholders in jail ![/p][/quote]At least part of the problem is that the insurance companies don't in fact make a fortune, they lose money on car insurance every single year which is why the government aren't keen on taking it 'in house'. . If you don't believe me just do some research. For example; . http://www.telegraph .co.uk/finance/newsb ysector/banksandfina nce/insurance/935737 9/Brake-to-remain-on -car-insurers-profit s.html TheApprentice
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6:47pm Wed 22 Aug 12

TheApprentice says...

vax2002 wrote:
Third party road cover should be added to VEL duty, banded according to risk and colour coded disks for each classification.
Red any driver over 25 only sdp use only
Amber any driver sdp up to six points
green any driver inc new drivers (2 years) and drivers above 6 points on licence
Blue commercial travelling in course of business (company vehicles)
Add this to VEL at cost and leave drivers to buy extra insurance for fire and theft from insurance companies, but all vehicles would have minimum cover if they had a valid disk.
Lift those that dont have a disk.
The disks are then banded according to vehicle Power to weight ratio.
So we combine minimum insurance for purposes of the road traffic act with vehicle excise licence.
The penalty for travelling with the wrong disk is 10x the cost of the correct disk.
Next problem please ?
So somebody with no claims gets charged the same as somebody who drives round like an idiot and has 6 accidents a year? Where's the deterrent from having an accident?
[quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: Third party road cover should be added to VEL duty, banded according to risk and colour coded disks for each classification. Red any driver over 25 only sdp use only Amber any driver sdp up to six points green any driver inc new drivers (2 years) and drivers above 6 points on licence Blue commercial travelling in course of business (company vehicles) Add this to VEL at cost and leave drivers to buy extra insurance for fire and theft from insurance companies, but all vehicles would have minimum cover if they had a valid disk. Lift those that dont have a disk. The disks are then banded according to vehicle Power to weight ratio. So we combine minimum insurance for purposes of the road traffic act with vehicle excise licence. The penalty for travelling with the wrong disk is 10x the cost of the correct disk. Next problem please ?[/p][/quote]So somebody with no claims gets charged the same as somebody who drives round like an idiot and has 6 accidents a year? Where's the deterrent from having an accident? TheApprentice
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7:23pm Wed 22 Aug 12

still got a pulse says...

How to improve driving standards and bring down insurance premiums:
Remove drivers seatbelt and replace airbags with steel spikes.
Then sit back and watch accident figures fall and insurance premiums drop to an all time low. (Insurance companies can thank me later for bringing back a profit from car insurance).
How to improve driving standards and bring down insurance premiums: Remove drivers seatbelt and replace airbags with steel spikes. Then sit back and watch accident figures fall and insurance premiums drop to an all time low. (Insurance companies can thank me later for bringing back a profit from car insurance). still got a pulse
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7:27pm Wed 22 Aug 12

dudleyhill says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
dudleyhill wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never !

I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest.

They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself !

I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ?

Answer was it just wasn't practical !

In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.
Hundreds of officers? Where from? Are you really so out of touch with reality? And yes Mike you are one of the people who constantly makes I'll informed comments like this who has no knowledge of the subject matter. 15 officers or thereabouts will be what you have for all Bradford South after midnight tonight which equates to
seven arrests. Might not take long for all those officers to be tied up eh?
Well WYP can send a thousand officers down to the Olympics !

Anyway if Bradford is as bad as they say it is it really isn't difficult to suspend the odd day off and deploy them on an operation.

Let's face it, if a riot suddenly flared up I am sure they could muster up a few hundred.

Get real Dudleyhill, it's apologists like you who are not in touch with reality .
I give you figures. The reason officers were available to go to the Olympics was all leave was cancelled and all rest days too. If you want to believe your own nonsense then crack on. Im telling you what I know, not what Bert tells me in the pub or what I read in the red tops. I haven't apologised for anyone, but the you haven't given me any facts that are true.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never ! I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest. They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself ! I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ? Answer was it just wasn't practical ! In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.[/p][/quote]Hundreds of officers? Where from? Are you really so out of touch with reality? And yes Mike you are one of the people who constantly makes I'll informed comments like this who has no knowledge of the subject matter. 15 officers or thereabouts will be what you have for all Bradford South after midnight tonight which equates to seven arrests. Might not take long for all those officers to be tied up eh?[/p][/quote]Well WYP can send a thousand officers down to the Olympics ! Anyway if Bradford is as bad as they say it is it really isn't difficult to suspend the odd day off and deploy them on an operation. Let's face it, if a riot suddenly flared up I am sure they could muster up a few hundred. Get real Dudleyhill, it's apologists like you who are not in touch with reality .[/p][/quote]I give you figures. The reason officers were available to go to the Olympics was all leave was cancelled and all rest days too. If you want to believe your own nonsense then crack on. Im telling you what I know, not what Bert tells me in the pub or what I read in the red tops. I haven't apologised for anyone, but the you haven't given me any facts that are true. dudleyhill
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7:50pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Mik_e says...

Whatthejuice wrote:
dudleyhill wrote:
As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse.
If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!!
From WYP website

Recruitment Update - August 2012
In view of the high number of applications received during our recent Specials recruitment campaign, we regret that it is not possible to accept any further applications at the present time. 
Specials create more problems than they solve, this then has to be sorted out by others who know what they are doing. The government encourage Specials because it hoodwinks the public into thinking that there are more real police on the streets than there actually are. Senior officers encourage Specials because they are told to do so. What the country needs is more police (not specials or community support officers).
[quote][p][bold]Whatthejuice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!![/p][/quote]From WYP website Recruitment Update - August 2012 In view of the high number of applications received during our recent Specials recruitment campaign, we regret that it is not possible to accept any further applications at the present time. [/p][/quote]Specials create more problems than they solve, this then has to be sorted out by others who know what they are doing. The government encourage Specials because it hoodwinks the public into thinking that there are more real police on the streets than there actually are. Senior officers encourage Specials because they are told to do so. What the country needs is more police (not specials or community support officers). Mik_e
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8:32pm Wed 22 Aug 12

BigFigure says...

nameistaken wrote:
Come on there is little surprise with any of these areas..

I'm sure they will be top of many leagues.

Unemployed
Crime
Benefit Cheats

It would take a very bold person to come out and pin point the problem, But we all now what it is.
May I be very bold? The problem is people driving whilst uninsured.There,I've said it.
[quote][p][bold]nameistaken[/bold] wrote: Come on there is little surprise with any of these areas.. I'm sure they will be top of many leagues. Unemployed Crime Benefit Cheats It would take a very bold person to come out and pin point the problem, But we all now what it is.[/p][/quote]May I be very bold? The problem is people driving whilst uninsured.There,I've said it. BigFigure
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8:52pm Wed 22 Aug 12

davidh66 says...

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
dazp wrote:
SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY
Generally the poorer areas where people can't afford the extortionate sums charged by the greed-driven Insurance companies.
So it's ok to drive with no insurance if you can't afford it. What a knob head u must be coming out with a statement like that
[quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazp[/bold] wrote: SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY[/p][/quote]Generally the poorer areas where people can't afford the extortionate sums charged by the greed-driven Insurance companies.[/p][/quote]So it's ok to drive with no insurance if you can't afford it. What a knob head u must be coming out with a statement like that davidh66
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8:56pm Wed 22 Aug 12

davidh66 says...

bluecorner100 wrote:
dazp wrote:
SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY
You could say the same about Child sex abuse and peadophilia, which is predominantly associated with certain areas, I wonder why!!!????
Err I thought this's subject is on car insurance not sex abuse & pedo's
[quote][p][bold]bluecorner100[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazp[/bold] wrote: SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY[/p][/quote]You could say the same about Child sex abuse and peadophilia, which is predominantly associated with certain areas, I wonder why!!!????[/p][/quote]Err I thought this's subject is on car insurance not sex abuse & pedo's davidh66
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9:00pm Wed 22 Aug 12

Mike Strutter says...

dudleyhill wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
dudleyhill wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never !

I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest.

They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself !

I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ?

Answer was it just wasn't practical !

In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.
Hundreds of officers? Where from? Are you really so out of touch with reality? And yes Mike you are one of the people who constantly makes I'll informed comments like this who has no knowledge of the subject matter. 15 officers or thereabouts will be what you have for all Bradford South after midnight tonight which equates to
seven arrests. Might not take long for all those officers to be tied up eh?
Well WYP can send a thousand officers down to the Olympics !

Anyway if Bradford is as bad as they say it is it really isn't difficult to suspend the odd day off and deploy them on an operation.

Let's face it, if a riot suddenly flared up I am sure they could muster up a few hundred.

Get real Dudleyhill, it's apologists like you who are not in touch with reality .
I give you figures. The reason officers were available to go to the Olympics was all leave was cancelled and all rest days too. If you want to believe your own nonsense then crack on. Im telling you what I know, not what Bert tells me in the pub or what I read in the red tops. I haven't apologised for anyone, but the you haven't given me any facts that are true.
I don't know anyone called Bert .

Anyway what facts do you want ?

The fact is the police are not cracking down. The fact is that the police know where the perpetrators all live but don't do anything about it.

Fact is the police could do something about it but don't want to cause trouble in the community.

Talking of resources, do you advocate the wasting of police time to man community speed checks directly in front of a working Truvelo fixed roadside camera ?
[quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never ! I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest. They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself ! I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ? Answer was it just wasn't practical ! In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.[/p][/quote]Hundreds of officers? Where from? Are you really so out of touch with reality? And yes Mike you are one of the people who constantly makes I'll informed comments like this who has no knowledge of the subject matter. 15 officers or thereabouts will be what you have for all Bradford South after midnight tonight which equates to seven arrests. Might not take long for all those officers to be tied up eh?[/p][/quote]Well WYP can send a thousand officers down to the Olympics ! Anyway if Bradford is as bad as they say it is it really isn't difficult to suspend the odd day off and deploy them on an operation. Let's face it, if a riot suddenly flared up I am sure they could muster up a few hundred. Get real Dudleyhill, it's apologists like you who are not in touch with reality .[/p][/quote]I give you figures. The reason officers were available to go to the Olympics was all leave was cancelled and all rest days too. If you want to believe your own nonsense then crack on. Im telling you what I know, not what Bert tells me in the pub or what I read in the red tops. I haven't apologised for anyone, but the you haven't given me any facts that are true.[/p][/quote]I don't know anyone called Bert . Anyway what facts do you want ? The fact is the police are not cracking down. The fact is that the police know where the perpetrators all live but don't do anything about it. Fact is the police could do something about it but don't want to cause trouble in the community. Talking of resources, do you advocate the wasting of police time to man community speed checks directly in front of a working Truvelo fixed roadside camera ? Mike Strutter
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11:26pm Wed 22 Aug 12

collos25 says...

Outside Enterprise 5 opposite the entrance to the police station is an uninsured car its passed everyday by any number of police cars nothing is done as are the cars parked in Harrogate road ,The police have absolutely no interest unless its for publicity and that generally lasts only a day.People can drive in Bradford without any documentation and there is very little chance of being caught.
Police what police you can forget them in Bradford.
Outside Enterprise 5 opposite the entrance to the police station is an uninsured car its passed everyday by any number of police cars nothing is done as are the cars parked in Harrogate road ,The police have absolutely no interest unless its for publicity and that generally lasts only a day.People can drive in Bradford without any documentation and there is very little chance of being caught. Police what police you can forget them in Bradford. collos25
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11:53pm Wed 22 Aug 12

PTN says...

collos25 wrote:
Outside Enterprise 5 opposite the entrance to the police station is an uninsured car its passed everyday by any number of police cars nothing is done as are the cars parked in Harrogate road ,The police have absolutely no interest unless its for publicity and that generally lasts only a day.People can drive in Bradford without any documentation and there is very little chance of being caught.
Police what police you can forget them in Bradford.
How do you know this?
No one has access to another persons insurance status and even when you use ASKMID you tick a declaration stating that you are the legitimate owner or user of that vehicle , so have you obtained this information illegally?
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: Outside Enterprise 5 opposite the entrance to the police station is an uninsured car its passed everyday by any number of police cars nothing is done as are the cars parked in Harrogate road ,The police have absolutely no interest unless its for publicity and that generally lasts only a day.People can drive in Bradford without any documentation and there is very little chance of being caught. Police what police you can forget them in Bradford.[/p][/quote]How do you know this? No one has access to another persons insurance status and even when you use ASKMID you tick a declaration stating that you are the legitimate owner or user of that vehicle , so have you obtained this information illegally? PTN
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12:04am Thu 23 Aug 12

still got a pulse says...

PTN wrote:
collos25 wrote:
Outside Enterprise 5 opposite the entrance to the police station is an uninsured car its passed everyday by any number of police cars nothing is done as are the cars parked in Harrogate road ,The police have absolutely no interest unless its for publicity and that generally lasts only a day.People can drive in Bradford without any documentation and there is very little chance of being caught.
Police what police you can forget them in Bradford.
How do you know this?
No one has access to another persons insurance status and even when you use ASKMID you tick a declaration stating that you are the legitimate owner or user of that vehicle , so have you obtained this information illegally?
Maybe he was intending to "test drive" the vehicle and therefore needed to know if it was insured. See my previous comments regarding driving other vehicles.
[quote][p][bold]PTN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: Outside Enterprise 5 opposite the entrance to the police station is an uninsured car its passed everyday by any number of police cars nothing is done as are the cars parked in Harrogate road ,The police have absolutely no interest unless its for publicity and that generally lasts only a day.People can drive in Bradford without any documentation and there is very little chance of being caught. Police what police you can forget them in Bradford.[/p][/quote]How do you know this? No one has access to another persons insurance status and even when you use ASKMID you tick a declaration stating that you are the legitimate owner or user of that vehicle , so have you obtained this information illegally?[/p][/quote]Maybe he was intending to "test drive" the vehicle and therefore needed to know if it was insured. See my previous comments regarding driving other vehicles. still got a pulse
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12:04am Thu 23 Aug 12

PTN says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
dudleyhill wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
dudleyhill wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never !

I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest.

They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself !

I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ?

Answer was it just wasn't practical !

In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.
Hundreds of officers? Where from? Are you really so out of touch with reality? And yes Mike you are one of the people who constantly makes I'll informed comments like this who has no knowledge of the subject matter. 15 officers or thereabouts will be what you have for all Bradford South after midnight tonight which equates to
seven arrests. Might not take long for all those officers to be tied up eh?
Well WYP can send a thousand officers down to the Olympics !

Anyway if Bradford is as bad as they say it is it really isn't difficult to suspend the odd day off and deploy them on an operation.

Let's face it, if a riot suddenly flared up I am sure they could muster up a few hundred.

Get real Dudleyhill, it's apologists like you who are not in touch with reality .
I give you figures. The reason officers were available to go to the Olympics was all leave was cancelled and all rest days too. If you want to believe your own nonsense then crack on. Im telling you what I know, not what Bert tells me in the pub or what I read in the red tops. I haven't apologised for anyone, but the you haven't given me any facts that are true.
I don't know anyone called Bert .

Anyway what facts do you want ?

The fact is the police are not cracking down. The fact is that the police know where the perpetrators all live but don't do anything about it.

Fact is the police could do something about it but don't want to cause trouble in the community.

Talking of resources, do you advocate the wasting of police time to man community speed checks directly in front of a working Truvelo fixed roadside camera ?
As Dudleyhill says you have not quoted any factual figures but made lots of assumptions about Policing figures.
When West Yorkshire sent 1000 officers they did not all go at once but over the whole period of the Olympics which was /is something like 4 weeks and then they dont all go from the same station but from all over the countyso in actual fact you have something like a dozen officers going from each station at any time. Most of these are going on days off on overtime paid for by the Olympics organisors so not being paid from the countys budget. As for the riots and marches etc Officers have leave and rest days cancelled and have to work on overtime which the force cannot afford or give officers time back which leaves shifts short later on. The bottom line is there are not that many officers out there to do the job and what there are end up going from one petty job to another ie one 8 year old has slapped another 8 year old and the parents call the Police , a brother and sister have an argument and they call the Police , drunks falling over in the street etc etc, do you get the picture. The Police end up wasting far too much time with silly jobs like these because the publics expectations of them are to act as social workers and family mediators instaed of letting them get on with real Policing. If their time was not wasrted as such then they may be able to stop and look at the uninsured , the mobile phone users etc. BTW as i said in an earlier post the Police do not have the authority to simply lift a car off the street because it is not insured , they need the driver present and with the keys.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: What's this ? The t & a letting us comment on an article about uninsured drivers ? Well I never ! I had contact a good few months ago via an online epact forum with Bradford South police and their attitude was shocking to be honest. They categorically denied the figures were as bad as what was being reported and offered for me to go out on patrol with an officer to see for myself ! I asked them why they couldn't have an operation where you flood hundreds of officers into an area in the middle of the night, ANPR a load of parked cars in certain areas and lift them all ? Answer was it just wasn't practical ! In other words they would need treble resource to deal with the ensuing anti social behaviour that might kick off afterwards.[/p][/quote]Hundreds of officers? Where from? Are you really so out of touch with reality? And yes Mike you are one of the people who constantly makes I'll informed comments like this who has no knowledge of the subject matter. 15 officers or thereabouts will be what you have for all Bradford South after midnight tonight which equates to seven arrests. Might not take long for all those officers to be tied up eh?[/p][/quote]Well WYP can send a thousand officers down to the Olympics ! Anyway if Bradford is as bad as they say it is it really isn't difficult to suspend the odd day off and deploy them on an operation. Let's face it, if a riot suddenly flared up I am sure they could muster up a few hundred. Get real Dudleyhill, it's apologists like you who are not in touch with reality .[/p][/quote]I give you figures. The reason officers were available to go to the Olympics was all leave was cancelled and all rest days too. If you want to believe your own nonsense then crack on. Im telling you what I know, not what Bert tells me in the pub or what I read in the red tops. I haven't apologised for anyone, but the you haven't given me any facts that are true.[/p][/quote]I don't know anyone called Bert . Anyway what facts do you want ? The fact is the police are not cracking down. The fact is that the police know where the perpetrators all live but don't do anything about it. Fact is the police could do something about it but don't want to cause trouble in the community. Talking of resources, do you advocate the wasting of police time to man community speed checks directly in front of a working Truvelo fixed roadside camera ?[/p][/quote]As Dudleyhill says you have not quoted any factual figures but made lots of assumptions about Policing figures. When West Yorkshire sent 1000 officers they did not all go at once but over the whole period of the Olympics which was /is something like 4 weeks and then they dont all go from the same station but from all over the countyso in actual fact you have something like a dozen officers going from each station at any time. Most of these are going on days off on overtime paid for by the Olympics organisors so not being paid from the countys budget. As for the riots and marches etc Officers have leave and rest days cancelled and have to work on overtime which the force cannot afford or give officers time back which leaves shifts short later on. The bottom line is there are not that many officers out there to do the job and what there are end up going from one petty job to another ie one 8 year old has slapped another 8 year old and the parents call the Police , a brother and sister have an argument and they call the Police , drunks falling over in the street etc etc, do you get the picture. The Police end up wasting far too much time with silly jobs like these because the publics expectations of them are to act as social workers and family mediators instaed of letting them get on with real Policing. If their time was not wasrted as such then they may be able to stop and look at the uninsured , the mobile phone users etc. BTW as i said in an earlier post the Police do not have the authority to simply lift a car off the street because it is not insured , they need the driver present and with the keys. PTN
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12:06am Thu 23 Aug 12

PTN says...

still got a pulse wrote:
PTN wrote:
collos25 wrote:
Outside Enterprise 5 opposite the entrance to the police station is an uninsured car its passed everyday by any number of police cars nothing is done as are the cars parked in Harrogate road ,The police have absolutely no interest unless its for publicity and that generally lasts only a day.People can drive in Bradford without any documentation and there is very little chance of being caught.
Police what police you can forget them in Bradford.
How do you know this?
No one has access to another persons insurance status and even when you use ASKMID you tick a declaration stating that you are the legitimate owner or user of that vehicle , so have you obtained this information illegally?
Maybe he was intending to "test drive" the vehicle and therefore needed to know if it was insured. See my previous comments regarding driving other vehicles.
Hmmmmmm.
(scratching my chin)
[quote][p][bold]still got a pulse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: Outside Enterprise 5 opposite the entrance to the police station is an uninsured car its passed everyday by any number of police cars nothing is done as are the cars parked in Harrogate road ,The police have absolutely no interest unless its for publicity and that generally lasts only a day.People can drive in Bradford without any documentation and there is very little chance of being caught. Police what police you can forget them in Bradford.[/p][/quote]How do you know this? No one has access to another persons insurance status and even when you use ASKMID you tick a declaration stating that you are the legitimate owner or user of that vehicle , so have you obtained this information illegally?[/p][/quote]Maybe he was intending to "test drive" the vehicle and therefore needed to know if it was insured. See my previous comments regarding driving other vehicles.[/p][/quote]Hmmmmmm. (scratching my chin) PTN
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12:14am Thu 23 Aug 12

legallyblonde says...

4 different houses on my street reported a car that was dumped - the council said they had written to the owner - a bit strange as when we checked the number plate was invalid - the car was there over a month, the police said there was nothing they could do as the council would move it - eventually a wagon came to pick it up - a neighbour came out and said the car belonged to her friend - but she had asked him to move it. He arrived with a log book and although the car was not taxed - had an invalid number plate and 3 flat tyres he was allowed to drive it away after showing that he had the registration document, totally ridiculous - I told the bloke he should take the car away and make him provide a tax disc and insurance before he got it back.It had also been in a bump so should have been investigated too, very disappointed by the reaction of the council and police.
4 different houses on my street reported a car that was dumped - the council said they had written to the owner - a bit strange as when we checked the number plate was invalid - the car was there over a month, the police said there was nothing they could do as the council would move it - eventually a wagon came to pick it up - a neighbour came out and said the car belonged to her friend - but she had asked him to move it. He arrived with a log book and although the car was not taxed - had an invalid number plate and 3 flat tyres he was allowed to drive it away after showing that he had the registration document, totally ridiculous - I told the bloke he should take the car away and make him provide a tax disc and insurance before he got it back.It had also been in a bump so should have been investigated too, very disappointed by the reaction of the council and police. legallyblonde
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1:10am Thu 23 Aug 12

still got a pulse says...

As I understand it the police have a legal obligation to act upon information received.
Why is this not happening?
What is very apparent from all these posts is that the police service is failing, reasons being various and maybe not all attributable to the police. They may have the best intentions, but without the resources they cannot fulfill even their legal obligations, let alone their own "aspirations" or objectives. Not too long ago there was a major PR exercise regarding the "ring of steel" around Bradford city centre.This used cameras with ANPR system, which would presumably be linked to various data bases. Would not take a genius to program the system to notify keepers of uninsured vehicles to provide details of driver etc or face prosecution of using uninsured vehicle themselves. This would involve the minimum commitment of resources and have an immediate (and profitable) effect. Everyone wins - except the bad guys.
If anyone shows a trader policy to cover them for insurance, then pass their details to the DWP, and if they're claiming to be a dealer then they're not entitled to the benefits they most likely are claiming - pass the buck to the DWP! This subject could be a bottomless pit of debate, so I'm calling it quits for now.
As I understand it the police have a legal obligation to act upon information received. Why is this not happening? What is very apparent from all these posts is that the police service is failing, reasons being various and maybe not all attributable to the police. They may have the best intentions, but without the resources they cannot fulfill even their legal obligations, let alone their own "aspirations" or objectives. Not too long ago there was a major PR exercise regarding the "ring of steel" around Bradford city centre.This used cameras with ANPR system, which would presumably be linked to various data bases. Would not take a genius to program the system to notify keepers of uninsured vehicles to provide details of driver etc or face prosecution of using uninsured vehicle themselves. This would involve the minimum commitment of resources and have an immediate (and profitable) effect. Everyone wins - except the bad guys. If anyone shows a trader policy to cover them for insurance, then pass their details to the DWP, and if they're claiming to be a dealer then they're not entitled to the benefits they most likely are claiming - pass the buck to the DWP! This subject could be a bottomless pit of debate, so I'm calling it quits for now. still got a pulse
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2:34am Thu 23 Aug 12

Commonsensefirst says...

To say that many of these drivers don't know the law is pathetic. But then that does mean less paperwork for the Police, as many drivers will merely receive a caution.
To say that many of these drivers don't know the law is pathetic. But then that does mean less paperwork for the Police, as many drivers will merely receive a caution. Commonsensefirst
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7:52am Thu 23 Aug 12

Blackmeister says...

Simples ............ Look at the facts, the Police in Bradford are afraid of the political pressure and racial unrest it would cause should they Police these areas of the City in a manner fit for the purpose. The riots from years ago have left many scars and blatant flouting of the law in these predominantly Pakistani areas of the City is clearly the result. If you look at any Court File in the T&A read the offenders names, yes many get caught, but the punishment for driving with no tax or insurance for a man on £7500pa working in a curry house with £20K pa in tax credits coming in will not be the same for you, the average Joe Bloggs who works and pays taxes. The whole system stinks from top to bottom but we are to blame as we have allowed it to happen because we paid attention to the sodding 'do-gooders' over the last 30 years.
Simples ............ Look at the facts, the Police in Bradford are afraid of the political pressure and racial unrest it would cause should they Police these areas of the City in a manner fit for the purpose. The riots from years ago have left many scars and blatant flouting of the law in these predominantly Pakistani areas of the City is clearly the result. If you look at any Court File in the T&A read the offenders names, yes many get caught, but the punishment for driving with no tax or insurance for a man on £7500pa working in a curry house with £20K pa in tax credits coming in will not be the same for you, the average Joe Bloggs who works and pays taxes. The whole system stinks from top to bottom but we are to blame as we have allowed it to happen because we paid attention to the sodding 'do-gooders' over the last 30 years. Blackmeister
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8:48am Thu 23 Aug 12

TirNaNog says...

Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me? TirNaNog
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9:06am Thu 23 Aug 12

Andy2010 says...

collos25 wrote:
Outside Enterprise 5 opposite the entrance to the police station is an uninsured car its passed everyday by any number of police cars nothing is done as are the cars parked in Harrogate road ,The police have absolutely no interest unless its for publicity and that generally lasts only a day.People can drive in Bradford without any documentation and there is very little chance of being caught. Police what police you can forget them in Bradford.
Would that be the Golf thats for sale next to the petrol station. Pretty brazen of someone to sell cars parked directly outside the police station parked on a public road and not insured.

Mind you they probably know police will do nothing about it even though they pass this car literally hundreds of times a day and is basically although parked legally is parked inconsiderately
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: Outside Enterprise 5 opposite the entrance to the police station is an uninsured car its passed everyday by any number of police cars nothing is done as are the cars parked in Harrogate road ,The police have absolutely no interest unless its for publicity and that generally lasts only a day.People can drive in Bradford without any documentation and there is very little chance of being caught. Police what police you can forget them in Bradford.[/p][/quote]Would that be the Golf thats for sale next to the petrol station. Pretty brazen of someone to sell cars parked directly outside the police station parked on a public road and not insured. Mind you they probably know police will do nothing about it even though they pass this car literally hundreds of times a day and is basically although parked legally is parked inconsiderately Andy2010
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9:33am Thu 23 Aug 12

whoflungdung says...

Amazed that BD3 has dropped down the table!
I drive throught eh area every day. There are people driving on pavements to cut out traffic lights, therte are others who just go through the red lights anyway, they pull our of junctions to cut people up, every other person has a mobile phone pinned to glued to their hand and ear!
They park where they want and cause numerous obstructions. They pullup in the middle of the road to talk to their mates who are driving in the opposite direction.
The only police presence is the once a month operation pulling white vans and goods vehicles into the Odeon car park.
Put cameras at the major junctions along Barkerend Road, Leeds Road etc and you will soon catch these idiots.
And by the way, how do these young men who appear to do very little work drive new Audi Q7's and big BMW and Mercedes cars?
I would like a job where they work please - not!!!
Amazed that BD3 has dropped down the table! I drive throught eh area every day. There are people driving on pavements to cut out traffic lights, therte are others who just go through the red lights anyway, they pull our of junctions to cut people up, every other person has a mobile phone pinned to glued to their hand and ear! They park where they want and cause numerous obstructions. They pullup in the middle of the road to talk to their mates who are driving in the opposite direction. The only police presence is the once a month operation pulling white vans and goods vehicles into the Odeon car park. Put cameras at the major junctions along Barkerend Road, Leeds Road etc and you will soon catch these idiots. And by the way, how do these young men who appear to do very little work drive new Audi Q7's and big BMW and Mercedes cars? I would like a job where they work please - not!!! whoflungdung
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9:38am Thu 23 Aug 12

dazp says...

Avro wrote:
Are we supposed to applaud BD3 slipping from 5th to 11th whilst BD9 has moved up the table in to 3rd spot?

Its utterly shameful having 4 areas in the top 20 in the UK and the knock on effect to those who do insure ther vechiles, and whilst it seems that the Police are doing something, certainly the problem is not being got a grip of!
Its quiet obvious why bd3 have moved down the table theyve all moved to bd9 simples
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: Are we supposed to applaud BD3 slipping from 5th to 11th whilst BD9 has moved up the table in to 3rd spot? Its utterly shameful having 4 areas in the top 20 in the UK and the knock on effect to those who do insure ther vechiles, and whilst it seems that the Police are doing something, certainly the problem is not being got a grip of![/p][/quote]Its quiet obvious why bd3 have moved down the table theyve all moved to bd9 simples dazp
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11:15am Thu 23 Aug 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

whoflungdung wrote:
Amazed that BD3 has dropped down the table!
I drive throught eh area every day. There are people driving on pavements to cut out traffic lights, therte are others who just go through the red lights anyway, they pull our of junctions to cut people up, every other person has a mobile phone pinned to glued to their hand and ear!
They park where they want and cause numerous obstructions. They pullup in the middle of the road to talk to their mates who are driving in the opposite direction.
The only police presence is the once a month operation pulling white vans and goods vehicles into the Odeon car park.
Put cameras at the major junctions along Barkerend Road, Leeds Road etc and you will soon catch these idiots.
And by the way, how do these young men who appear to do very little work drive new Audi Q7's and big BMW and Mercedes cars?
I would like a job where they work please - not!!!
"....how do these young men who appear to do very little work drive new Audi Q7's and big BMW and Mercedes cars?"

That's rather presumptuous of you. Perhaps they are successful businessmen, or some of them are hire cars, or maybe using their father's car, who knows? After all, there have been times in the past when I owned and ran several classic motorcycles - Triumph Bonnevilles, Ducatis, etc - despite the fact that I was unemployed at the time.
[quote][p][bold]whoflungdung[/bold] wrote: Amazed that BD3 has dropped down the table! I drive throught eh area every day. There are people driving on pavements to cut out traffic lights, therte are others who just go through the red lights anyway, they pull our of junctions to cut people up, every other person has a mobile phone pinned to glued to their hand and ear! They park where they want and cause numerous obstructions. They pullup in the middle of the road to talk to their mates who are driving in the opposite direction. The only police presence is the once a month operation pulling white vans and goods vehicles into the Odeon car park. Put cameras at the major junctions along Barkerend Road, Leeds Road etc and you will soon catch these idiots. And by the way, how do these young men who appear to do very little work drive new Audi Q7's and big BMW and Mercedes cars? I would like a job where they work please - not!!![/p][/quote]"....how do these young men who appear to do very little work drive new Audi Q7's and big BMW and Mercedes cars?" That's rather presumptuous of you. Perhaps they are successful businessmen, or some of them are hire cars, or maybe using their father's car, who knows? After all, there have been times in the past when I owned and ran several classic motorcycles - Triumph Bonnevilles, Ducatis, etc - despite the fact that I was unemployed at the time. a reasonable sort of chap
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11:17am Thu 23 Aug 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

davidh66 wrote:
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
dazp wrote:
SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY
Generally the poorer areas where people can't afford the extortionate sums charged by the greed-driven Insurance companies.
So it's ok to drive with no insurance if you can't afford it. What a knob head u must be coming out with a statement like that
Are you denying there is a connection between poverty and crime?
[quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazp[/bold] wrote: SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY[/p][/quote]Generally the poorer areas where people can't afford the extortionate sums charged by the greed-driven Insurance companies.[/p][/quote]So it's ok to drive with no insurance if you can't afford it. What a knob head u must be coming out with a statement like that[/p][/quote]Are you denying there is a connection between poverty and crime? a reasonable sort of chap
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11:21am Thu 23 Aug 12

New Hall Nev says...

what a dump bradford is lol
what a dump bradford is lol New Hall Nev
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12:44pm Thu 23 Aug 12

antianti says...

whoflungdung wrote:
Amazed that BD3 has dropped down the table!
I drive throught eh area every day. There are people driving on pavements to cut out traffic lights, therte are others who just go through the red lights anyway, they pull our of junctions to cut people up, every other person has a mobile phone pinned to glued to their hand and ear!
They park where they want and cause numerous obstructions. They pullup in the middle of the road to talk to their mates who are driving in the opposite direction.
The only police presence is the once a month operation pulling white vans and goods vehicles into the Odeon car park.
Put cameras at the major junctions along Barkerend Road, Leeds Road etc and you will soon catch these idiots.
And by the way, how do these young men who appear to do very little work drive new Audi Q7's and big BMW and Mercedes cars?
I would like a job where they work please - not!!!
have you got any proof that they do little work??
naaa u aint , thought not.just jealousy from u i suppose.
[quote][p][bold]whoflungdung[/bold] wrote: Amazed that BD3 has dropped down the table! I drive throught eh area every day. There are people driving on pavements to cut out traffic lights, therte are others who just go through the red lights anyway, they pull our of junctions to cut people up, every other person has a mobile phone pinned to glued to their hand and ear! They park where they want and cause numerous obstructions. They pullup in the middle of the road to talk to their mates who are driving in the opposite direction. The only police presence is the once a month operation pulling white vans and goods vehicles into the Odeon car park. Put cameras at the major junctions along Barkerend Road, Leeds Road etc and you will soon catch these idiots. And by the way, how do these young men who appear to do very little work drive new Audi Q7's and big BMW and Mercedes cars? I would like a job where they work please - not!!![/p][/quote]have you got any proof that they do little work?? naaa u aint , thought not.just jealousy from u i suppose. antianti
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1:08pm Thu 23 Aug 12

whoflungdung says...

antianti wrote:
whoflungdung wrote:
Amazed that BD3 has dropped down the table!
I drive throught eh area every day. There are people driving on pavements to cut out traffic lights, therte are others who just go through the red lights anyway, they pull our of junctions to cut people up, every other person has a mobile phone pinned to glued to their hand and ear!
They park where they want and cause numerous obstructions. They pullup in the middle of the road to talk to their mates who are driving in the opposite direction.
The only police presence is the once a month operation pulling white vans and goods vehicles into the Odeon car park.
Put cameras at the major junctions along Barkerend Road, Leeds Road etc and you will soon catch these idiots.
And by the way, how do these young men who appear to do very little work drive new Audi Q7's and big BMW and Mercedes cars?
I would like a job where they work please - not!!!
have you got any proof that they do little work??
naaa u aint , thought not.just jealousy from u i suppose.
Jealousy???? Ha do me a favour!
I work hard for a living to provide nice things for my family. I do not have time to drive round the streets with music blaring, smoking a spliff and leering and shouting expletives to anyone who passes me by!
Get a grip and have a look around you!
[quote][p][bold]antianti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whoflungdung[/bold] wrote: Amazed that BD3 has dropped down the table! I drive throught eh area every day. There are people driving on pavements to cut out traffic lights, therte are others who just go through the red lights anyway, they pull our of junctions to cut people up, every other person has a mobile phone pinned to glued to their hand and ear! They park where they want and cause numerous obstructions. They pullup in the middle of the road to talk to their mates who are driving in the opposite direction. The only police presence is the once a month operation pulling white vans and goods vehicles into the Odeon car park. Put cameras at the major junctions along Barkerend Road, Leeds Road etc and you will soon catch these idiots. And by the way, how do these young men who appear to do very little work drive new Audi Q7's and big BMW and Mercedes cars? I would like a job where they work please - not!!![/p][/quote]have you got any proof that they do little work?? naaa u aint , thought not.just jealousy from u i suppose.[/p][/quote]Jealousy???? Ha do me a favour! I work hard for a living to provide nice things for my family. I do not have time to drive round the streets with music blaring, smoking a spliff and leering and shouting expletives to anyone who passes me by! Get a grip and have a look around you! whoflungdung
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1:08pm Thu 23 Aug 12

whoflungdung says...

antianti wrote:
whoflungdung wrote:
Amazed that BD3 has dropped down the table!
I drive throught eh area every day. There are people driving on pavements to cut out traffic lights, therte are others who just go through the red lights anyway, they pull our of junctions to cut people up, every other person has a mobile phone pinned to glued to their hand and ear!
They park where they want and cause numerous obstructions. They pullup in the middle of the road to talk to their mates who are driving in the opposite direction.
The only police presence is the once a month operation pulling white vans and goods vehicles into the Odeon car park.
Put cameras at the major junctions along Barkerend Road, Leeds Road etc and you will soon catch these idiots.
And by the way, how do these young men who appear to do very little work drive new Audi Q7's and big BMW and Mercedes cars?
I would like a job where they work please - not!!!
have you got any proof that they do little work??
naaa u aint , thought not.just jealousy from u i suppose.
Jealousy???? Ha do me a favour!
I work hard for a living to provide nice things for my family. I do not have time to drive round the streets with music blaring, smoking a spliff and leering and shouting expletives to anyone who passes me by!
Get a grip and have a look around you!
[quote][p][bold]antianti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whoflungdung[/bold] wrote: Amazed that BD3 has dropped down the table! I drive throught eh area every day. There are people driving on pavements to cut out traffic lights, therte are others who just go through the red lights anyway, they pull our of junctions to cut people up, every other person has a mobile phone pinned to glued to their hand and ear! They park where they want and cause numerous obstructions. They pullup in the middle of the road to talk to their mates who are driving in the opposite direction. The only police presence is the once a month operation pulling white vans and goods vehicles into the Odeon car park. Put cameras at the major junctions along Barkerend Road, Leeds Road etc and you will soon catch these idiots. And by the way, how do these young men who appear to do very little work drive new Audi Q7's and big BMW and Mercedes cars? I would like a job where they work please - not!!![/p][/quote]have you got any proof that they do little work?? naaa u aint , thought not.just jealousy from u i suppose.[/p][/quote]Jealousy???? Ha do me a favour! I work hard for a living to provide nice things for my family. I do not have time to drive round the streets with music blaring, smoking a spliff and leering and shouting expletives to anyone who passes me by! Get a grip and have a look around you! whoflungdung
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1:47pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Steve30d says...

TheApprentice wrote:
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
mad matt wrote:
There are plenty of motor insurance companies out there who won't even accept your business if you have a BD8 postcode. Other companies will, but at an exorbitant price!
Even I struggle with 9 years no-claims and over 50 years driving experience on almost every group of vehicles.
Get ALL these criminals off the road, why should everybody else get stung because of these tax, MOT and insurance dodgers?
Why should everybody be "stung" in the first place? Insurance companies make a fortune out of something that is a legal necessity, they're like vultures. Throw the Insurance bosses and their shareholders in jail !
At least part of the problem is that the insurance companies don't in fact make a fortune, they lose money on car insurance every single year which is why the government aren't keen on taking it 'in house'.
.
If you don't believe me just do some research. For example;
.

http://www.telegraph

.co.uk/finance/newsb

ysector/banksandfina

nce/insurance/935737

9/Brake-to-remain-on

-car-insurers-profit

s.html
lose money each year ? It's often said, and true the figures seems to agree, but if they're really been loosing that much money for so long. I ask how are they still in business, after 20 years of losing money? All I can suggest is some outgoings are getting counted at least twice, or some income isn't getting counted at all.
[quote][p][bold]TheApprentice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: There are plenty of motor insurance companies out there who won't even accept your business if you have a BD8 postcode. Other companies will, but at an exorbitant price! Even I struggle with 9 years no-claims and over 50 years driving experience on almost every group of vehicles. Get ALL these criminals off the road, why should everybody else get stung because of these tax, MOT and insurance dodgers?[/p][/quote]Why should everybody be "stung" in the first place? Insurance companies make a fortune out of something that is a legal necessity, they're like vultures. Throw the Insurance bosses and their shareholders in jail ![/p][/quote]At least part of the problem is that the insurance companies don't in fact make a fortune, they lose money on car insurance every single year which is why the government aren't keen on taking it 'in house'. . If you don't believe me just do some research. For example; . http://www.telegraph .co.uk/finance/newsb ysector/banksandfina nce/insurance/935737 9/Brake-to-remain-on -car-insurers-profit s.html[/p][/quote]lose money each year ? It's often said, and true the figures seems to agree, but if they're really been loosing that much money for so long. I ask how are they still in business, after 20 years of losing money? All I can suggest is some outgoings are getting counted at least twice, or some income isn't getting counted at all. Steve30d
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1:59pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Commonsensefirst says...

I live in BD3 and I've had a look around: Music blaring out of cars, the smell of illegal substances, and leering out of window swearing at passers-by or wolf whistling (mostly Asians to English girls). Not wearing seat belts, and not driving with due care and attention whilst talking on their mobile phones. It's becoming very dangerous to be a pedestrian.
I live in BD3 and I've had a look around: Music blaring out of cars, the smell of illegal substances, and leering out of window swearing at passers-by or wolf whistling (mostly Asians to English girls). Not wearing seat belts, and not driving with due care and attention whilst talking on their mobile phones. It's becoming very dangerous to be a pedestrian. Commonsensefirst
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4:38pm Thu 23 Aug 12

davidh66 says...

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
davidh66 wrote:
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
dazp wrote:
SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY
Generally the poorer areas where people can't afford the extortionate sums charged by the greed-driven Insurance companies.
So it's ok to drive with no insurance if you can't afford it. What a knob head u must be coming out with a statement like that
Are you denying there is a connection between poverty and crime?
Are you saying its ok to drive uninsured if you can't afford car insurance.
[quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazp[/bold] wrote: SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY[/p][/quote]Generally the poorer areas where people can't afford the extortionate sums charged by the greed-driven Insurance companies.[/p][/quote]So it's ok to drive with no insurance if you can't afford it. What a knob head u must be coming out with a statement like that[/p][/quote]Are you denying there is a connection between poverty and crime?[/p][/quote]Are you saying its ok to drive uninsured if you can't afford car insurance. davidh66
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4:50pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Andy2010 says...

davidh66 wrote:
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
davidh66 wrote:
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
dazp wrote: SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY
Generally the poorer areas where people can't afford the extortionate sums charged by the greed-driven Insurance companies.
So it's ok to drive with no insurance if you can't afford it. What a knob head u must be coming out with a statement like that
Are you denying there is a connection between poverty and crime?
Are you saying its ok to drive uninsured if you can't afford car insurance.
he probably is

He is under the impression the state should pay for everything, the rich should pay for the state but fails to comprehend what would happen when the rich were no longer rich.

Ignore him
[quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidh66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazp[/bold] wrote: SAME OLD AREAS, I WONDER WHY[/p][/quote]Generally the poorer areas where people can't afford the extortionate sums charged by the greed-driven Insurance companies.[/p][/quote]So it's ok to drive with no insurance if you can't afford it. What a knob head u must be coming out with a statement like that[/p][/quote]Are you denying there is a connection between poverty and crime?[/p][/quote]Are you saying its ok to drive uninsured if you can't afford car insurance.[/p][/quote]he probably is He is under the impression the state should pay for everything, the rich should pay for the state but fails to comprehend what would happen when the rich were no longer rich. Ignore him Andy2010
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6:33pm Thu 23 Aug 12

TheApprentice says...

Steve30d wrote:
TheApprentice wrote:
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
mad matt wrote:
There are plenty of motor insurance companies out there who won't even accept your business if you have a BD8 postcode. Other companies will, but at an exorbitant price!
Even I struggle with 9 years no-claims and over 50 years driving experience on almost every group of vehicles.
Get ALL these criminals off the road, why should everybody else get stung because of these tax, MOT and insurance dodgers?
Why should everybody be "stung" in the first place? Insurance companies make a fortune out of something that is a legal necessity, they're like vultures. Throw the Insurance bosses and their shareholders in jail !
At least part of the problem is that the insurance companies don't in fact make a fortune, they lose money on car insurance every single year which is why the government aren't keen on taking it 'in house'.
.
If you don't believe me just do some research. For example;
.

http://www.telegraph


.co.uk/finance/newsb


ysector/banksandfina


nce/insurance/935737


9/Brake-to-remain-on


-car-insurers-profit


s.html
lose money each year ? It's often said, and true the figures seems to agree, but if they're really been loosing that much money for so long. I ask how are they still in business, after 20 years of losing money? All I can suggest is some outgoings are getting counted at least twice, or some income isn't getting counted at all.
They obviously make money from other areas and other types of insurance but in it's pure form car insurance is a loss leader. Also the large amounts of income previously provided the insurers with investment opportunities with the financial gain of these investments offsetting the losses made through claims. These investment opportunities aren't really there anymore given the state of interest rates and the stock market
[quote][p][bold]Steve30d[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheApprentice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: There are plenty of motor insurance companies out there who won't even accept your business if you have a BD8 postcode. Other companies will, but at an exorbitant price! Even I struggle with 9 years no-claims and over 50 years driving experience on almost every group of vehicles. Get ALL these criminals off the road, why should everybody else get stung because of these tax, MOT and insurance dodgers?[/p][/quote]Why should everybody be "stung" in the first place? Insurance companies make a fortune out of something that is a legal necessity, they're like vultures. Throw the Insurance bosses and their shareholders in jail ![/p][/quote]At least part of the problem is that the insurance companies don't in fact make a fortune, they lose money on car insurance every single year which is why the government aren't keen on taking it 'in house'. . If you don't believe me just do some research. For example; . http://www.telegraph .co.uk/finance/newsb ysector/banksandfina nce/insurance/935737 9/Brake-to-remain-on -car-insurers-profit s.html[/p][/quote]lose money each year ? It's often said, and true the figures seems to agree, but if they're really been loosing that much money for so long. I ask how are they still in business, after 20 years of losing money? All I can suggest is some outgoings are getting counted at least twice, or some income isn't getting counted at all.[/p][/quote]They obviously make money from other areas and other types of insurance but in it's pure form car insurance is a loss leader. Also the large amounts of income previously provided the insurers with investment opportunities with the financial gain of these investments offsetting the losses made through claims. These investment opportunities aren't really there anymore given the state of interest rates and the stock market TheApprentice
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7:26pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Commonsensefirst says...

I'm delighted that the police have reduced uninsured drivers in BD3, but as the article suggests: 'There is more work to be done.'
I'm delighted that the police have reduced uninsured drivers in BD3, but as the article suggests: 'There is more work to be done.' Commonsensefirst
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7:49pm Thu 23 Aug 12

BD16 says...

TirNaNog wrote:
Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade.

Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford.

Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
[quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this? BD16
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8:34am Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

TheLionsof1967 wrote:
The majority of these uninsured drivers are young males, with high performance cars, and often still living at home with their parents who must be aware that the car is uninsured, and also must be surprised where the money for the flash car cam from in the first place?. So hold the whole family responsible, dont just crush the car, demolish the house too! Teach them all a good lesson! Flash car, seemingly endless wads of cash, but no MOT or Insurance, Strange folk. Hope this does not offend any law-breakers!
most of hte clowns probably took out loans or on hire purchase, dont assume that because they drive flash cars they own them outright.

If their stupid enough to prioritise a flash car over a their own home, they are unlikely to be smart enough to save money either.

In any case I knowt he insurance issue gets a lot of attention, and it should but as a local resident there are plenty of crime issues to deal with and in my experience the police seem dissinterested in dealing with any thing other than traffic offences and dish out crime referance numbers at every opportunity.

What ever happened to old fashion policing and detective work to actually bring offenders to justice.
[quote][p][bold]TheLionsof1967[/bold] wrote: The majority of these uninsured drivers are young males, with high performance cars, and often still living at home with their parents who must be aware that the car is uninsured, and also must be surprised where the money for the flash car cam from in the first place?. So hold the whole family responsible, dont just crush the car, demolish the house too! Teach them all a good lesson! Flash car, seemingly endless wads of cash, but no MOT or Insurance, Strange folk. Hope this does not offend any law-breakers![/p][/quote]most of hte clowns probably took out loans or on hire purchase, dont assume that because they drive flash cars they own them outright. If their stupid enough to prioritise a flash car over a their own home, they are unlikely to be smart enough to save money either. In any case I knowt he insurance issue gets a lot of attention, and it should but as a local resident there are plenty of crime issues to deal with and in my experience the police seem dissinterested in dealing with any thing other than traffic offences and dish out crime referance numbers at every opportunity. What ever happened to old fashion policing and detective work to actually bring offenders to justice. dannywho
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9:13am Fri 24 Aug 12

TirNaNog says...

BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade.

Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford.

Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime.
If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK? TirNaNog
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10:42am Fri 24 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

A few weeks ago a friend's neighbour was attacked in his home in Batley. A couple of drunk girls pulled up, braying on his door and one of his neighbours called the cops. The police when they turned up arrested him because he has a record, on this occassion he had not done a single thing and his neighbours said he didn't even hit them back once in retaliation. The police spoke with the girls in their car, they were obviously drunk and they let them drive off in their car. I am sorry, but I do not have 100% trust in the police, when they are good they are good, but too often when it comes to a pretty face or if someone they are seeing that they don't like for whatever reason, they can jeopardise the safety and respect of the general public. Bradford has a reputation for bad drivers and I can point the finger at a certain ethnic/age/sex group but because of political correctness we can't say it because of media gagging. I avoid Bradford at all costs now, the city has been in decline commercially and it is in decline on a people's scale. Terrible drivers, Bradford is becoming a dive that is to be avoided unless something it drastically done. I used to go to Bradford every single week without fail, now, I drive on the outskirts passing it once in a while or get the bus in for the football. At least the rugby is outside of this terrible city. I am sorry, but there is nothing positive for me to say about the city now and this story is something a lot of people was already aware of.
A few weeks ago a friend's neighbour was attacked in his home in Batley. A couple of drunk girls pulled up, braying on his door and one of his neighbours called the cops. The police when they turned up arrested him because he has a record, on this occassion he had not done a single thing and his neighbours said he didn't even hit them back once in retaliation. The police spoke with the girls in their car, they were obviously drunk and they let them drive off in their car. I am sorry, but I do not have 100% trust in the police, when they are good they are good, but too often when it comes to a pretty face or if someone they are seeing that they don't like for whatever reason, they can jeopardise the safety and respect of the general public. Bradford has a reputation for bad drivers and I can point the finger at a certain ethnic/age/sex group but because of political correctness we can't say it because of media gagging. I avoid Bradford at all costs now, the city has been in decline commercially and it is in decline on a people's scale. Terrible drivers, Bradford is becoming a dive that is to be avoided unless something it drastically done. I used to go to Bradford every single week without fail, now, I drive on the outskirts passing it once in a while or get the bus in for the football. At least the rugby is outside of this terrible city. I am sorry, but there is nothing positive for me to say about the city now and this story is something a lot of people was already aware of. LuvFootball
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10:48am Fri 24 Aug 12

LuvFootball says...

nowt fresh wrote:
keelhambar wrote:
This situation is loading insurance premiums for all drivers with a BD postcode. I was recently quoted £120 more for a quote for BD13 than for the same cover in LS28.
And just what can we do as law abiding motorists apart from shop around and lets be honest the insurance companies are running a cartel just the same as the utility companies,phone companies,rail companies,ETC,ETC, well done Maggie Thacher your "market forces" are certainly screwing the working man !!!.
Newsflash, Maggie Thatcher was last in power 22 years ago almost a quarter of a century ago, we have had a few governments since then. Why do people always look at someone of the past to blame when more horrendous mistakes are being made since then?

Labour has screwed the working man more since then, ruined the country, and believe it or not, tax actually when up for the working man when Blair came in compared to Major. It is a misconception that Tory is more against the working man which people dare not admit. Politics blinds people, most parties are as bad as each other, but to blame today's problems on someone that ran this country a quarter of a century ago is a bit far fetch.
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keelhambar[/bold] wrote: This situation is loading insurance premiums for all drivers with a BD postcode. I was recently quoted £120 more for a quote for BD13 than for the same cover in LS28.[/p][/quote]And just what can we do as law abiding motorists apart from shop around and lets be honest the insurance companies are running a cartel just the same as the utility companies,phone companies,rail companies,ETC,ETC, well done Maggie Thacher your "market forces" are certainly screwing the working man !!!.[/p][/quote]Newsflash, Maggie Thatcher was last in power 22 years ago almost a quarter of a century ago, we have had a few governments since then. Why do people always look at someone of the past to blame when more horrendous mistakes are being made since then? Labour has screwed the working man more since then, ruined the country, and believe it or not, tax actually when up for the working man when Blair came in compared to Major. It is a misconception that Tory is more against the working man which people dare not admit. Politics blinds people, most parties are as bad as each other, but to blame today's problems on someone that ran this country a quarter of a century ago is a bit far fetch. LuvFootball
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10:59am Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade.

Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford.

Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a.

So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants?

Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed?

Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours?

You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right.

Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other.

Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16.

Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year.

www.thetelegraphanda
rgus.co.uk/news/9885
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£1.7 billion cost to nhs
£7.3 billion cost to police in crime
£6 billion in social costs
£6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc

So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer.

Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money.

But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a. So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants? Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed? Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours? You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right. Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other. Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16. Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year. www.thetelegraphanda rgus.co.uk/news/9885 210.City_has_4_hotsp ots_for_uninsured_dr ivers_out_of_UK_top_ 20/?ref=mc £1.7 billion cost to nhs £7.3 billion cost to police in crime £6 billion in social costs £6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer. Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money. But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives. dannywho
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11:35am Fri 24 Aug 12

SinnerSaint says...

TirNaNog wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?
Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community?

I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?
[quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?[/p][/quote]Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race? SinnerSaint
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11:53am Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?
Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community?

I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?
the phenomenon of race superiority is confined to te white race, no other race has hate groups driven by race, does that mean its okay to say whites are racist and have a problem?

The majority of sex tourists who travel abroad to rape kids are from the white community.

amd gun crime, there wre shootings in white areas aso, ravenscliffe, dick lane etc.

Step outside your narrow view and stop relating everyhting to race, only a very hollow mind would do so.

Bradford has many problems, poverty, low levels of educational, professional attainment etc.

Poor neighbourhoods, regardless of race have many social problems, in the poor white neighbourhoods it may be alcohol abuse in others it could be driving whilst uninsured, but its still people at the end of the day.

Alsothe black community has a massive problem with gang, knife and gun crime and so do white cities (mainly white) like glasgow, liverpool etc.

Please get out more, or are you deliberately trying to flame?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?[/p][/quote]Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?[/p][/quote]the phenomenon of race superiority is confined to te white race, no other race has hate groups driven by race, does that mean its okay to say whites are racist and have a problem? The majority of sex tourists who travel abroad to rape kids are from the white community. amd gun crime, there wre shootings in white areas aso, ravenscliffe, dick lane etc. Step outside your narrow view and stop relating everyhting to race, only a very hollow mind would do so. Bradford has many problems, poverty, low levels of educational, professional attainment etc. Poor neighbourhoods, regardless of race have many social problems, in the poor white neighbourhoods it may be alcohol abuse in others it could be driving whilst uninsured, but its still people at the end of the day. Alsothe black community has a massive problem with gang, knife and gun crime and so do white cities (mainly white) like glasgow, liverpool etc. Please get out more, or are you deliberately trying to flame? dannywho
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12:01pm Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?
Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community?

I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?
By the way, youre also confusing causation with correlation,

correlation does not prove causation, thats scientific fact.

ie certain areas listed have high rates of uninsured driving, thats a correlation

ie certain areas listed that have high rates of uninsured driving have high percentage of pakistanis, thats a correlation

pakistanis are more likley to drive uninsured, im afraid that is an assumption of causation.

and what do we know? corelation DOES NOT imply causation.

If we look at all other hotspots, what coulod we learn from a common factor, maybe poverty and deprivation?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?[/p][/quote]Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?[/p][/quote]By the way, youre also confusing causation with correlation, correlation does not prove causation, thats scientific fact. ie certain areas listed have high rates of uninsured driving, thats a correlation ie certain areas listed that have high rates of uninsured driving have high percentage of pakistanis, thats a correlation pakistanis are more likley to drive uninsured, im afraid that is an assumption of causation. and what do we know? corelation DOES NOT imply causation. If we look at all other hotspots, what coulod we learn from a common factor, maybe poverty and deprivation? dannywho
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12:05pm Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

oh and finally, thats why youre a muppet, because you cant see causation without seeing it a s race issue, but dont feel bad, theres many muppets on here just like you, albion et al for example think without religion we will stop killing each other - correlation and causation folks.

You see its practically a muppet show, or "The Muppet Show".

LMFAO!
oh and finally, thats why youre a muppet, because you cant see causation without seeing it a s race issue, but dont feel bad, theres many muppets on here just like you, albion et al for example think without religion we will stop killing each other - correlation and causation folks. You see its practically a muppet show, or "The Muppet Show". LMFAO! dannywho
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12:55pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Albion. says...

dannywho wrote:
oh and finally, thats why youre a muppet, because you cant see causation without seeing it a s race issue, but dont feel bad, theres many muppets on here just like you, albion et al for example think without religion we will stop killing each other - correlation and causation folks.

You see its practically a muppet show, or "The Muppet Show".

LMFAO!
Actually, It IS a race issue in the main.
Yes there are offenders from all racial backgrounds, but the worst areas here and in other cities (Birmingham for instance) are the ones that are predominantly Asian.
If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck, then it's a duck :-)
Anyone here able to prove the existence of God or Jesus?.....Just asking!
[quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: oh and finally, thats why youre a muppet, because you cant see causation without seeing it a s race issue, but dont feel bad, theres many muppets on here just like you, albion et al for example think without religion we will stop killing each other - correlation and causation folks. You see its practically a muppet show, or "The Muppet Show". LMFAO![/p][/quote]Actually, It IS a race issue in the main. Yes there are offenders from all racial backgrounds, but the worst areas here and in other cities (Birmingham for instance) are the ones that are predominantly Asian. If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck, then it's a duck :-) Anyone here able to prove the existence of God or Jesus?.....Just asking! Albion.
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1:07pm Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

Albion. wrote:
dannywho wrote:
oh and finally, thats why youre a muppet, because you cant see causation without seeing it a s race issue, but dont feel bad, theres many muppets on here just like you, albion et al for example think without religion we will stop killing each other - correlation and causation folks.

You see its practically a muppet show, or "The Muppet Show".

LMFAO!
Actually, It IS a race issue in the main.
Yes there are offenders from all racial backgrounds, but the worst areas here and in other cities (Birmingham for instance) are the ones that are predominantly Asian.
If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck, then it's a duck :-)
Anyone here able to prove the existence of God or Jesus?.....Just asking!
I just did in the Galloway post which overwhelmingly by historians and scholars who have researched the matter for the last century reviewing historical records and accounts agree that Jesus Christ did exist.

But I wouldnt expect a known racist, islamaphobe and all round bigot like you to allow little obstacles like the truth, history, or facts get in the way of making your a point.

After all you did say you enjoy arguing for arguings sake, being retired and all.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: oh and finally, thats why youre a muppet, because you cant see causation without seeing it a s race issue, but dont feel bad, theres many muppets on here just like you, albion et al for example think without religion we will stop killing each other - correlation and causation folks. You see its practically a muppet show, or "The Muppet Show". LMFAO![/p][/quote]Actually, It IS a race issue in the main. Yes there are offenders from all racial backgrounds, but the worst areas here and in other cities (Birmingham for instance) are the ones that are predominantly Asian. If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck, then it's a duck :-) Anyone here able to prove the existence of God or Jesus?.....Just asking![/p][/quote]I just did in the Galloway post which overwhelmingly by historians and scholars who have researched the matter for the last century reviewing historical records and accounts agree that Jesus Christ did exist. But I wouldnt expect a known racist, islamaphobe and all round bigot like you to allow little obstacles like the truth, history, or facts get in the way of making your a point. After all you did say you enjoy arguing for arguings sake, being retired and all. dannywho
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1:37pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Albion. says...

dannywho wrote:
Albion. wrote:
dannywho wrote:
oh and finally, thats why youre a muppet, because you cant see causation without seeing it a s race issue, but dont feel bad, theres many muppets on here just like you, albion et al for example think without religion we will stop killing each other - correlation and causation folks.

You see its practically a muppet show, or "The Muppet Show".

LMFAO!
Actually, It IS a race issue in the main.
Yes there are offenders from all racial backgrounds, but the worst areas here and in other cities (Birmingham for instance) are the ones that are predominantly Asian.
If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck, then it's a duck :-)
Anyone here able to prove the existence of God or Jesus?.....Just asking!
I just did in the Galloway post which overwhelmingly by historians and scholars who have researched the matter for the last century reviewing historical records and accounts agree that Jesus Christ did exist.

But I wouldnt expect a known racist, islamaphobe and all round bigot like you to allow little obstacles like the truth, history, or facts get in the way of making your a point.

After all you did say you enjoy arguing for arguings sake, being retired and all.
"facts"! That is exactly what you are short of.
[quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: oh and finally, thats why youre a muppet, because you cant see causation without seeing it a s race issue, but dont feel bad, theres many muppets on here just like you, albion et al for example think without religion we will stop killing each other - correlation and causation folks. You see its practically a muppet show, or "The Muppet Show". LMFAO![/p][/quote]Actually, It IS a race issue in the main. Yes there are offenders from all racial backgrounds, but the worst areas here and in other cities (Birmingham for instance) are the ones that are predominantly Asian. If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck, then it's a duck :-) Anyone here able to prove the existence of God or Jesus?.....Just asking![/p][/quote]I just did in the Galloway post which overwhelmingly by historians and scholars who have researched the matter for the last century reviewing historical records and accounts agree that Jesus Christ did exist. But I wouldnt expect a known racist, islamaphobe and all round bigot like you to allow little obstacles like the truth, history, or facts get in the way of making your a point. After all you did say you enjoy arguing for arguings sake, being retired and all.[/p][/quote]"facts"! That is exactly what you are short of. Albion.
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2:17pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Smell the coffee says...

What happened to our once proud and prosperous city with its own Harrods of the north. A place where "decent" people wanted to live, work and bring up their families. A victim of its own success i suppose, its now invested with parasites.
What happened to our once proud and prosperous city with its own Harrods of the north. A place where "decent" people wanted to live, work and bring up their families. A victim of its own success i suppose, its now invested with parasites. Smell the coffee
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2:20pm Fri 24 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

dannywho wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?
Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?
By the way, youre also confusing causation with correlation, correlation does not prove causation, thats scientific fact. ie certain areas listed have high rates of uninsured driving, thats a correlation ie certain areas listed that have high rates of uninsured driving have high percentage of pakistanis, thats a correlation pakistanis are more likley to drive uninsured, im afraid that is an assumption of causation. and what do we know? corelation DOES NOT imply causation. If we look at all other hotspots, what coulod we learn from a common factor, maybe poverty and deprivation?
I'm a so called "baby boomer" dannywho born just after the second world war, on leaving school at 15 years old (Lapage Street) not a grammar school so I was limited to what career I could follow I became an apprentice in the foundry industry where I worked for well over 45 years,I was born into family of 4 who share a one bedroomed miners cottage down Barkerend Fold (not there now just a Jet garage to mark the spot) tin bath to bathe in outside toilet at the bottom of the street ETC,ETC,so I would say I've had my share of "poverty and deprivation" but I did something about my situation like worked hard many worked many hours of over time to help pay my way for me the wife and two daughters so forgive me when I see posters like yourself making out that that "poverty and deprivation" could be an excuse for illegal behavour by anyone,yes times are hard at the moment but that does not excuse lawlessness.
[quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?[/p][/quote]Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?[/p][/quote]By the way, youre also confusing causation with correlation, correlation does not prove causation, thats scientific fact. ie certain areas listed have high rates of uninsured driving, thats a correlation ie certain areas listed that have high rates of uninsured driving have high percentage of pakistanis, thats a correlation pakistanis are more likley to drive uninsured, im afraid that is an assumption of causation. and what do we know? corelation DOES NOT imply causation. If we look at all other hotspots, what coulod we learn from a common factor, maybe poverty and deprivation?[/p][/quote]I'm a so called "baby boomer" dannywho born just after the second world war, on leaving school at 15 years old (Lapage Street) not a grammar school so I was limited to what career I could follow I became an apprentice in the foundry industry where I worked for well over 45 years,I was born into family of 4 who share a one bedroomed miners cottage down Barkerend Fold (not there now just a Jet garage to mark the spot) tin bath to bathe in outside toilet at the bottom of the street ETC,ETC,so I would say I've had my share of "poverty and deprivation" but I did something about my situation like worked hard many worked many hours of over time to help pay my way for me the wife and two daughters so forgive me when I see posters like yourself making out that that "poverty and deprivation" could be an excuse for illegal behavour by anyone,yes times are hard at the moment but that does not excuse lawlessness. nowt fresh
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2:23pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Smell the coffee says...

Smell the coffee wrote:
What happened to our once proud and prosperous city with its own Harrods of the north. A place where "decent" people wanted to live, work and bring up their families. A victim of its own success i suppose, its now invested with parasites.
Its pointless calling me names danny the prat, i'm going to work now and wont be reading the t & a until later. If you are not sure what work means, Google it
[quote][p][bold]Smell the coffee[/bold] wrote: What happened to our once proud and prosperous city with its own Harrods of the north. A place where "decent" people wanted to live, work and bring up their families. A victim of its own success i suppose, its now invested with parasites.[/p][/quote]Its pointless calling me names danny the prat, i'm going to work now and wont be reading the t & a until later. If you are not sure what work means, Google it Smell the coffee
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2:39pm Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

nowt fresh wrote:
dannywho wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?
Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?
By the way, youre also confusing causation with correlation, correlation does not prove causation, thats scientific fact. ie certain areas listed have high rates of uninsured driving, thats a correlation ie certain areas listed that have high rates of uninsured driving have high percentage of pakistanis, thats a correlation pakistanis are more likley to drive uninsured, im afraid that is an assumption of causation. and what do we know? corelation DOES NOT imply causation. If we look at all other hotspots, what coulod we learn from a common factor, maybe poverty and deprivation?
I'm a so called "baby boomer" dannywho born just after the second world war, on leaving school at 15 years old (Lapage Street) not a grammar school so I was limited to what career I could follow I became an apprentice in the foundry industry where I worked for well over 45 years,I was born into family of 4 who share a one bedroomed miners cottage down Barkerend Fold (not there now just a Jet garage to mark the spot) tin bath to bathe in outside toilet at the bottom of the street ETC,ETC,so I would say I've had my share of "poverty and deprivation" but I did something about my situation like worked hard many worked many hours of over time to help pay my way for me the wife and two daughters so forgive me when I see posters like yourself making out that that "poverty and deprivation" could be an excuse for illegal behavour by anyone,yes times are hard at the moment but that does not excuse lawlessness.
you’ve not been reading properly have you, you wont find ANY posts where I have ever defended illegality or offered excuses for it.

My father was on the dole all his life but i worked from age of 16, went to uni, went into work at assistant level and progressed to senior management level, im now running my own consultancy business.

My point is that there is an undeniable link between poverty and crime, shoplifting since the recession is at epidemic levels, that’s just the way it is, there is a strong connection between poverty and criminality, that is not to say that it is a defence or excuse nor do i imply that those in poverty are criminals, everybody is unique and deals with hardship in their own way, some get on with it and improve themselves, other drink or abuse drugs, others commit crime etc etc

Is that clear enough for you, or would you like to invent something else that I have not said?
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?[/p][/quote]Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?[/p][/quote]By the way, youre also confusing causation with correlation, correlation does not prove causation, thats scientific fact. ie certain areas listed have high rates of uninsured driving, thats a correlation ie certain areas listed that have high rates of uninsured driving have high percentage of pakistanis, thats a correlation pakistanis are more likley to drive uninsured, im afraid that is an assumption of causation. and what do we know? corelation DOES NOT imply causation. If we look at all other hotspots, what coulod we learn from a common factor, maybe poverty and deprivation?[/p][/quote]I'm a so called "baby boomer" dannywho born just after the second world war, on leaving school at 15 years old (Lapage Street) not a grammar school so I was limited to what career I could follow I became an apprentice in the foundry industry where I worked for well over 45 years,I was born into family of 4 who share a one bedroomed miners cottage down Barkerend Fold (not there now just a Jet garage to mark the spot) tin bath to bathe in outside toilet at the bottom of the street ETC,ETC,so I would say I've had my share of "poverty and deprivation" but I did something about my situation like worked hard many worked many hours of over time to help pay my way for me the wife and two daughters so forgive me when I see posters like yourself making out that that "poverty and deprivation" could be an excuse for illegal behavour by anyone,yes times are hard at the moment but that does not excuse lawlessness.[/p][/quote]you’ve not been reading properly have you, you wont find ANY posts where I have ever defended illegality or offered excuses for it. My father was on the dole all his life but i worked from age of 16, went to uni, went into work at assistant level and progressed to senior management level, im now running my own consultancy business. My point is that there is an undeniable link between poverty and crime, shoplifting since the recession is at epidemic levels, that’s just the way it is, there is a strong connection between poverty and criminality, that is not to say that it is a defence or excuse nor do i imply that those in poverty are criminals, everybody is unique and deals with hardship in their own way, some get on with it and improve themselves, other drink or abuse drugs, others commit crime etc etc Is that clear enough for you, or would you like to invent something else that I have not said? dannywho
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2:51pm Fri 24 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

dannywho wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dannywho wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?
Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?
By the way, youre also confusing causation with correlation, correlation does not prove causation, thats scientific fact. ie certain areas listed have high rates of uninsured driving, thats a correlation ie certain areas listed that have high rates of uninsured driving have high percentage of pakistanis, thats a correlation pakistanis are more likley to drive uninsured, im afraid that is an assumption of causation. and what do we know? corelation DOES NOT imply causation. If we look at all other hotspots, what coulod we learn from a common factor, maybe poverty and deprivation?
I'm a so called "baby boomer" dannywho born just after the second world war, on leaving school at 15 years old (Lapage Street) not a grammar school so I was limited to what career I could follow I became an apprentice in the foundry industry where I worked for well over 45 years,I was born into family of 4 who share a one bedroomed miners cottage down Barkerend Fold (not there now just a Jet garage to mark the spot) tin bath to bathe in outside toilet at the bottom of the street ETC,ETC,so I would say I've had my share of "poverty and deprivation" but I did something about my situation like worked hard many worked many hours of over time to help pay my way for me the wife and two daughters so forgive me when I see posters like yourself making out that that "poverty and deprivation" could be an excuse for illegal behavour by anyone,yes times are hard at the moment but that does not excuse lawlessness.
you’ve not been reading properly have you, you wont find ANY posts where I have ever defended illegality or offered excuses for it. My father was on the dole all his life but i worked from age of 16, went to uni, went into work at assistant level and progressed to senior management level, im now running my own consultancy business. My point is that there is an undeniable link between poverty and crime, shoplifting since the recession is at epidemic levels, that’s just the way it is, there is a strong connection between poverty and criminality, that is not to say that it is a defence or excuse nor do i imply that those in poverty are criminals, everybody is unique and deals with hardship in their own way, some get on with it and improve themselves, other drink or abuse drugs, others commit crime etc etc Is that clear enough for you, or would you like to invent something else that I have not said?
For a UNI educated man/woman ?you are very aggressive in your replies ?, your answers are implying that because there is "poverty and deprivation" in certain areas that is/could be the reason for lawlessness,and if not why bring it up ? and I pointed out the two do not go hand in hand as me and thousands of other people have proved over the years you get your head down (as you obviously did) and work your way out of it, it's the mentality of "some" who are poor and deprived that they chose that way of life.
[quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?[/p][/quote]Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?[/p][/quote]By the way, youre also confusing causation with correlation, correlation does not prove causation, thats scientific fact. ie certain areas listed have high rates of uninsured driving, thats a correlation ie certain areas listed that have high rates of uninsured driving have high percentage of pakistanis, thats a correlation pakistanis are more likley to drive uninsured, im afraid that is an assumption of causation. and what do we know? corelation DOES NOT imply causation. If we look at all other hotspots, what coulod we learn from a common factor, maybe poverty and deprivation?[/p][/quote]I'm a so called "baby boomer" dannywho born just after the second world war, on leaving school at 15 years old (Lapage Street) not a grammar school so I was limited to what career I could follow I became an apprentice in the foundry industry where I worked for well over 45 years,I was born into family of 4 who share a one bedroomed miners cottage down Barkerend Fold (not there now just a Jet garage to mark the spot) tin bath to bathe in outside toilet at the bottom of the street ETC,ETC,so I would say I've had my share of "poverty and deprivation" but I did something about my situation like worked hard many worked many hours of over time to help pay my way for me the wife and two daughters so forgive me when I see posters like yourself making out that that "poverty and deprivation" could be an excuse for illegal behavour by anyone,yes times are hard at the moment but that does not excuse lawlessness.[/p][/quote]you’ve not been reading properly have you, you wont find ANY posts where I have ever defended illegality or offered excuses for it. My father was on the dole all his life but i worked from age of 16, went to uni, went into work at assistant level and progressed to senior management level, im now running my own consultancy business. My point is that there is an undeniable link between poverty and crime, shoplifting since the recession is at epidemic levels, that’s just the way it is, there is a strong connection between poverty and criminality, that is not to say that it is a defence or excuse nor do i imply that those in poverty are criminals, everybody is unique and deals with hardship in their own way, some get on with it and improve themselves, other drink or abuse drugs, others commit crime etc etc Is that clear enough for you, or would you like to invent something else that I have not said?[/p][/quote]For a UNI educated man/woman ?you are very aggressive in your replies ?, your answers are implying that because there is "poverty and deprivation" in certain areas that is/could be the reason for lawlessness,and if not why bring it up ? and I pointed out the two do not go hand in hand as me and thousands of other people have proved over the years you get your head down (as you obviously did) and work your way out of it, it's the mentality of "some" who are poor and deprived that they chose that way of life. nowt fresh
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3:08pm Fri 24 Aug 12

SinnerSaint says...

dannywho wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?
Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?
the phenomenon of race superiority is confined to te white race, no other race has hate groups driven by race, does that mean its okay to say whites are racist and have a problem? The majority of sex tourists who travel abroad to rape kids are from the white community. amd gun crime, there wre shootings in white areas aso, ravenscliffe, dick lane etc. Step outside your narrow view and stop relating everyhting to race, only a very hollow mind would do so. Bradford has many problems, poverty, low levels of educational, professional attainment etc. Poor neighbourhoods, regardless of race have many social problems, in the poor white neighbourhoods it may be alcohol abuse in others it could be driving whilst uninsured, but its still people at the end of the day. Alsothe black community has a massive problem with gang, knife and gun crime and so do white cities (mainly white) like glasgow, liverpool etc. Please get out more, or are you deliberately trying to flame?
I love the way the Asian community don't try to take responsibilty for the problems they have within their own communities and in fact go so far as to completely deny it's a problem.

Seriously, wake up and smell the coffee my friend, there are serious issues with youth unemployment, drugs and gun crime in the Asian community in Bradford. And these have satellite crimes associated such as the one that this article is highlighting.

You're just in a complete state of denial my friend - WAKE UP!!!!
[quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?[/p][/quote]Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?[/p][/quote]the phenomenon of race superiority is confined to te white race, no other race has hate groups driven by race, does that mean its okay to say whites are racist and have a problem? The majority of sex tourists who travel abroad to rape kids are from the white community. amd gun crime, there wre shootings in white areas aso, ravenscliffe, dick lane etc. Step outside your narrow view and stop relating everyhting to race, only a very hollow mind would do so. Bradford has many problems, poverty, low levels of educational, professional attainment etc. Poor neighbourhoods, regardless of race have many social problems, in the poor white neighbourhoods it may be alcohol abuse in others it could be driving whilst uninsured, but its still people at the end of the day. Alsothe black community has a massive problem with gang, knife and gun crime and so do white cities (mainly white) like glasgow, liverpool etc. Please get out more, or are you deliberately trying to flame?[/p][/quote]I love the way the Asian community don't try to take responsibilty for the problems they have within their own communities and in fact go so far as to completely deny it's a problem. Seriously, wake up and smell the coffee my friend, there are serious issues with youth unemployment, drugs and gun crime in the Asian community in Bradford. And these have satellite crimes associated such as the one that this article is highlighting. You're just in a complete state of denial my friend - WAKE UP!!!! SinnerSaint
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3:12pm Fri 24 Aug 12

SinnerSaint says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
dannywho wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?
Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?
the phenomenon of race superiority is confined to te white race, no other race has hate groups driven by race, does that mean its okay to say whites are racist and have a problem? The majority of sex tourists who travel abroad to rape kids are from the white community. amd gun crime, there wre shootings in white areas aso, ravenscliffe, dick lane etc. Step outside your narrow view and stop relating everyhting to race, only a very hollow mind would do so. Bradford has many problems, poverty, low levels of educational, professional attainment etc. Poor neighbourhoods, regardless of race have many social problems, in the poor white neighbourhoods it may be alcohol abuse in others it could be driving whilst uninsured, but its still people at the end of the day. Alsothe black community has a massive problem with gang, knife and gun crime and so do white cities (mainly white) like glasgow, liverpool etc. Please get out more, or are you deliberately trying to flame?
I love the way the Asian community don't try to take responsibilty for the problems they have within their own communities and in fact go so far as to completely deny it's a problem. Seriously, wake up and smell the coffee my friend, there are serious issues with youth unemployment, drugs and gun crime in the Asian community in Bradford. And these have satellite crimes associated such as the one that this article is highlighting. You're just in a complete state of denial my friend - WAKE UP!!!!
And the shooting in Dick Lane.... what was the victim's name? And we're about to find out the name of the shooter as he's just been nicked!
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?[/p][/quote]Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?[/p][/quote]the phenomenon of race superiority is confined to te white race, no other race has hate groups driven by race, does that mean its okay to say whites are racist and have a problem? The majority of sex tourists who travel abroad to rape kids are from the white community. amd gun crime, there wre shootings in white areas aso, ravenscliffe, dick lane etc. Step outside your narrow view and stop relating everyhting to race, only a very hollow mind would do so. Bradford has many problems, poverty, low levels of educational, professional attainment etc. Poor neighbourhoods, regardless of race have many social problems, in the poor white neighbourhoods it may be alcohol abuse in others it could be driving whilst uninsured, but its still people at the end of the day. Alsothe black community has a massive problem with gang, knife and gun crime and so do white cities (mainly white) like glasgow, liverpool etc. Please get out more, or are you deliberately trying to flame?[/p][/quote]I love the way the Asian community don't try to take responsibilty for the problems they have within their own communities and in fact go so far as to completely deny it's a problem. Seriously, wake up and smell the coffee my friend, there are serious issues with youth unemployment, drugs and gun crime in the Asian community in Bradford. And these have satellite crimes associated such as the one that this article is highlighting. You're just in a complete state of denial my friend - WAKE UP!!!![/p][/quote]And the shooting in Dick Lane.... what was the victim's name? And we're about to find out the name of the shooter as he's just been nicked! SinnerSaint
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3:16pm Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

nowt fresh wrote:
dannywho wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
dannywho wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?
Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?
By the way, youre also confusing causation with correlation, correlation does not prove causation, thats scientific fact. ie certain areas listed have high rates of uninsured driving, thats a correlation ie certain areas listed that have high rates of uninsured driving have high percentage of pakistanis, thats a correlation pakistanis are more likley to drive uninsured, im afraid that is an assumption of causation. and what do we know? corelation DOES NOT imply causation. If we look at all other hotspots, what coulod we learn from a common factor, maybe poverty and deprivation?
I'm a so called "baby boomer" dannywho born just after the second world war, on leaving school at 15 years old (Lapage Street) not a grammar school so I was limited to what career I could follow I became an apprentice in the foundry industry where I worked for well over 45 years,I was born into family of 4 who share a one bedroomed miners cottage down Barkerend Fold (not there now just a Jet garage to mark the spot) tin bath to bathe in outside toilet at the bottom of the street ETC,ETC,so I would say I've had my share of "poverty and deprivation" but I did something about my situation like worked hard many worked many hours of over time to help pay my way for me the wife and two daughters so forgive me when I see posters like yourself making out that that "poverty and deprivation" could be an excuse for illegal behavour by anyone,yes times are hard at the moment but that does not excuse lawlessness.
you’ve not been reading properly have you, you wont find ANY posts where I have ever defended illegality or offered excuses for it. My father was on the dole all his life but i worked from age of 16, went to uni, went into work at assistant level and progressed to senior management level, im now running my own consultancy business. My point is that there is an undeniable link between poverty and crime, shoplifting since the recession is at epidemic levels, that’s just the way it is, there is a strong connection between poverty and criminality, that is not to say that it is a defence or excuse nor do i imply that those in poverty are criminals, everybody is unique and deals with hardship in their own way, some get on with it and improve themselves, other drink or abuse drugs, others commit crime etc etc Is that clear enough for you, or would you like to invent something else that I have not said?
For a UNI educated man/woman ?you are very aggressive in your replies ?, your answers are implying that because there is "poverty and deprivation" in certain areas that is/could be the reason for lawlessness,and if not why bring it up ? and I pointed out the two do not go hand in hand as me and thousands of other people have proved over the years you get your head down (as you obviously did) and work your way out of it, it's the mentality of "some" who are poor and deprived that they chose that way of life.
what i was implying to the original poster was in relation to correlation and causation, and that because you have uninsured driving in asian or pakistani postcode areas it does not mean that being pakistani causes you to drive uninsured or be more likely to drive uninsured, (which is what he was implying) and that by looking at the issue from a non racial bias by for example trying to isolate the single common factor amongst offenders in all areas, say for example maybe poverty might lead to a better understanding of the causes, if you look at the list of top 20 many are some of the most deprived in the country.

Obviously a more bigoted person might choose to go straight for the racial element because that something that makes sense to them.

Since the racial elment didnt bother you as much as the suggestion about poverty, are you also of the opinion that uninsured driving is racial issue?
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?[/p][/quote]Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?[/p][/quote]By the way, youre also confusing causation with correlation, correlation does not prove causation, thats scientific fact. ie certain areas listed have high rates of uninsured driving, thats a correlation ie certain areas listed that have high rates of uninsured driving have high percentage of pakistanis, thats a correlation pakistanis are more likley to drive uninsured, im afraid that is an assumption of causation. and what do we know? corelation DOES NOT imply causation. If we look at all other hotspots, what coulod we learn from a common factor, maybe poverty and deprivation?[/p][/quote]I'm a so called "baby boomer" dannywho born just after the second world war, on leaving school at 15 years old (Lapage Street) not a grammar school so I was limited to what career I could follow I became an apprentice in the foundry industry where I worked for well over 45 years,I was born into family of 4 who share a one bedroomed miners cottage down Barkerend Fold (not there now just a Jet garage to mark the spot) tin bath to bathe in outside toilet at the bottom of the street ETC,ETC,so I would say I've had my share of "poverty and deprivation" but I did something about my situation like worked hard many worked many hours of over time to help pay my way for me the wife and two daughters so forgive me when I see posters like yourself making out that that "poverty and deprivation" could be an excuse for illegal behavour by anyone,yes times are hard at the moment but that does not excuse lawlessness.[/p][/quote]you’ve not been reading properly have you, you wont find ANY posts where I have ever defended illegality or offered excuses for it. My father was on the dole all his life but i worked from age of 16, went to uni, went into work at assistant level and progressed to senior management level, im now running my own consultancy business. My point is that there is an undeniable link between poverty and crime, shoplifting since the recession is at epidemic levels, that’s just the way it is, there is a strong connection between poverty and criminality, that is not to say that it is a defence or excuse nor do i imply that those in poverty are criminals, everybody is unique and deals with hardship in their own way, some get on with it and improve themselves, other drink or abuse drugs, others commit crime etc etc Is that clear enough for you, or would you like to invent something else that I have not said?[/p][/quote]For a UNI educated man/woman ?you are very aggressive in your replies ?, your answers are implying that because there is "poverty and deprivation" in certain areas that is/could be the reason for lawlessness,and if not why bring it up ? and I pointed out the two do not go hand in hand as me and thousands of other people have proved over the years you get your head down (as you obviously did) and work your way out of it, it's the mentality of "some" who are poor and deprived that they chose that way of life.[/p][/quote]what i was implying to the original poster was in relation to correlation and causation, and that because you have uninsured driving in asian or pakistani postcode areas it does not mean that being pakistani causes you to drive uninsured or be more likely to drive uninsured, (which is what he was implying) and that by looking at the issue from a non racial bias by for example trying to isolate the single common factor amongst offenders in all areas, say for example maybe poverty might lead to a better understanding of the causes, if you look at the list of top 20 many are some of the most deprived in the country. Obviously a more bigoted person might choose to go straight for the racial element because that something that makes sense to them. Since the racial elment didnt bother you as much as the suggestion about poverty, are you also of the opinion that uninsured driving is racial issue? dannywho
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3:27pm Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
dannywho wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?
Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?
the phenomenon of race superiority is confined to te white race, no other race has hate groups driven by race, does that mean its okay to say whites are racist and have a problem? The majority of sex tourists who travel abroad to rape kids are from the white community. amd gun crime, there wre shootings in white areas aso, ravenscliffe, dick lane etc. Step outside your narrow view and stop relating everyhting to race, only a very hollow mind would do so. Bradford has many problems, poverty, low levels of educational, professional attainment etc. Poor neighbourhoods, regardless of race have many social problems, in the poor white neighbourhoods it may be alcohol abuse in others it could be driving whilst uninsured, but its still people at the end of the day. Alsothe black community has a massive problem with gang, knife and gun crime and so do white cities (mainly white) like glasgow, liverpool etc. Please get out more, or are you deliberately trying to flame?
I love the way the Asian community don't try to take responsibilty for the problems they have within their own communities and in fact go so far as to completely deny it's a problem.

Seriously, wake up and smell the coffee my friend, there are serious issues with youth unemployment, drugs and gun crime in the Asian community in Bradford. And these have satellite crimes associated such as the one that this article is highlighting.

You're just in a complete state of denial my friend - WAKE UP!!!!
what have got to take responsibility for, crime and criminiality is not a racial problem. I pay my bills and insurance so what have I got to defend?

youth unemployment, drugs and gun crime is a major part of manny run down inner cities in the UK and in all communities from white, black and asian.

And because I am so concerned about these issues, and because labour and cons all failed to address these issues in my community I voted Respect because they were the ones who saw the problem and promised to raise it at national level in parliament, which GG does on many occassions and hte last Respect meeting I attended the main topic was to deal with the unemployment and poor education.

Now over our govet and council, what are they doing to deal with all these issues you pointed out which we know is a problem for many cities including, Leeds and Manchester?

Perhaps you should wakeup because Ive been raising these issues for some time, the only difference is I can recognise the causes and solutions, like the underperforming schools, the lack of jobs etc, wheras you can only see the skin colour, hows that going to solve anything, whats your solution here?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?[/p][/quote]Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?[/p][/quote]the phenomenon of race superiority is confined to te white race, no other race has hate groups driven by race, does that mean its okay to say whites are racist and have a problem? The majority of sex tourists who travel abroad to rape kids are from the white community. amd gun crime, there wre shootings in white areas aso, ravenscliffe, dick lane etc. Step outside your narrow view and stop relating everyhting to race, only a very hollow mind would do so. Bradford has many problems, poverty, low levels of educational, professional attainment etc. Poor neighbourhoods, regardless of race have many social problems, in the poor white neighbourhoods it may be alcohol abuse in others it could be driving whilst uninsured, but its still people at the end of the day. Alsothe black community has a massive problem with gang, knife and gun crime and so do white cities (mainly white) like glasgow, liverpool etc. Please get out more, or are you deliberately trying to flame?[/p][/quote]I love the way the Asian community don't try to take responsibilty for the problems they have within their own communities and in fact go so far as to completely deny it's a problem. Seriously, wake up and smell the coffee my friend, there are serious issues with youth unemployment, drugs and gun crime in the Asian community in Bradford. And these have satellite crimes associated such as the one that this article is highlighting. You're just in a complete state of denial my friend - WAKE UP!!!![/p][/quote]what have got to take responsibility for, crime and criminiality is not a racial problem. I pay my bills and insurance so what have I got to defend? youth unemployment, drugs and gun crime is a major part of manny run down inner cities in the UK and in all communities from white, black and asian. And because I am so concerned about these issues, and because labour and cons all failed to address these issues in my community I voted Respect because they were the ones who saw the problem and promised to raise it at national level in parliament, which GG does on many occassions and hte last Respect meeting I attended the main topic was to deal with the unemployment and poor education. Now over our govet and council, what are they doing to deal with all these issues you pointed out which we know is a problem for many cities including, Leeds and Manchester? Perhaps you should wakeup because Ive been raising these issues for some time, the only difference is I can recognise the causes and solutions, like the underperforming schools, the lack of jobs etc, wheras you can only see the skin colour, hows that going to solve anything, whats your solution here? dannywho
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3:35pm Fri 24 Aug 12

SinnerSaint says...

We're talking about Bradford here.

Voted for George Galloway? The man who uses the Asian community as a vehicle to bring himself in to the public eye? The attention seeking publicity wh0re? How long did he last in Bethnall Green once they realised he wasn't going to make good on all his BS?

If someone says there are serious problems in the Asian community in Bradford, that does NOT make them a racist.

I speak three Indian languages and I'm married to an Indian. I'm not racist but I am not blinkered about the issues the Asian community is facing with the youth today IN BRADFORD.
We're talking about Bradford here. Voted for George Galloway? The man who uses the Asian community as a vehicle to bring himself in to the public eye? The attention seeking publicity wh0re? How long did he last in Bethnall Green once they realised he wasn't going to make good on all his BS? If someone says there are serious problems in the Asian community in Bradford, that does NOT make them a racist. I speak three Indian languages and I'm married to an Indian. I'm not racist but I am not blinkered about the issues the Asian community is facing with the youth today IN BRADFORD. SinnerSaint
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3:39pm Fri 24 Aug 12

TirNaNog says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
dannywho wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?
Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?
the phenomenon of race superiority is confined to te white race, no other race has hate groups driven by race, does that mean its okay to say whites are racist and have a problem? The majority of sex tourists who travel abroad to rape kids are from the white community. amd gun crime, there wre shootings in white areas aso, ravenscliffe, dick lane etc. Step outside your narrow view and stop relating everyhting to race, only a very hollow mind would do so. Bradford has many problems, poverty, low levels of educational, professional attainment etc. Poor neighbourhoods, regardless of race have many social problems, in the poor white neighbourhoods it may be alcohol abuse in others it could be driving whilst uninsured, but its still people at the end of the day. Alsothe black community has a massive problem with gang, knife and gun crime and so do white cities (mainly white) like glasgow, liverpool etc. Please get out more, or are you deliberately trying to flame?
I love the way the Asian community don't try to take responsibilty for the problems they have within their own communities and in fact go so far as to completely deny it's a problem. Seriously, wake up and smell the coffee my friend, there are serious issues with youth unemployment, drugs and gun crime in the Asian community in Bradford. And these have satellite crimes associated such as the one that this article is highlighting. You're just in a complete state of denial my friend - WAKE UP!!!!
And the shooting in Dick Lane.... what was the victim's name? And we're about to find out the name of the shooter as he's just been nicked!
I hardly think youth unemployment, drugs and gun crime are restricted solely to the Asian community, do you?
All freely available in the Ravenscliffe and Tyersal areas it would seem!
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]Because ,as usual, the muppets try and make it a race issue. Therefore I suggest the waste of Police and NHS resources dealing with alcohol-fuelled violence and the £2 billion a year in lost tax on illegal cigarettes (hardly 'alleged' and a 'few bob' my hairy 'arris!) is predominantly a 'white' crime. If they are going to turn every debate into a race issue then they can expect to be challenged! OK?[/p][/quote]Why is someone a muppet when they are merely pointing out facts? Is it not fact that the areas highlighted as having the worst number of offenders are predominately populated by the Pakistani community? I guess next you'll be saying that the horrendous number of Asian on Asian (probably drug related)shootings in Bradford are not an issue specific to one race?[/p][/quote]the phenomenon of race superiority is confined to te white race, no other race has hate groups driven by race, does that mean its okay to say whites are racist and have a problem? The majority of sex tourists who travel abroad to rape kids are from the white community. amd gun crime, there wre shootings in white areas aso, ravenscliffe, dick lane etc. Step outside your narrow view and stop relating everyhting to race, only a very hollow mind would do so. Bradford has many problems, poverty, low levels of educational, professional attainment etc. Poor neighbourhoods, regardless of race have many social problems, in the poor white neighbourhoods it may be alcohol abuse in others it could be driving whilst uninsured, but its still people at the end of the day. Alsothe black community has a massive problem with gang, knife and gun crime and so do white cities (mainly white) like glasgow, liverpool etc. Please get out more, or are you deliberately trying to flame?[/p][/quote]I love the way the Asian community don't try to take responsibilty for the problems they have within their own communities and in fact go so far as to completely deny it's a problem. Seriously, wake up and smell the coffee my friend, there are serious issues with youth unemployment, drugs and gun crime in the Asian community in Bradford. And these have satellite crimes associated such as the one that this article is highlighting. You're just in a complete state of denial my friend - WAKE UP!!!![/p][/quote]And the shooting in Dick Lane.... what was the victim's name? And we're about to find out the name of the shooter as he's just been nicked![/p][/quote]I hardly think youth unemployment, drugs and gun crime are restricted solely to the Asian community, do you? All freely available in the Ravenscliffe and Tyersal areas it would seem! TirNaNog
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3:40pm Fri 24 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

No one is above the law dannywho what ever their race, but I would think that the postcodes stated in the T&A article above would suggest that most if not all have a majority Pakistani population "I won't say Asian" that alone would imply a large amount of uninsured drivers were of Pakistani descent ?.
No one is above the law dannywho what ever their race, but I would think that the postcodes stated in the T&A article above would suggest that most if not all have a majority Pakistani population "I won't say Asian" that alone would imply a large amount of uninsured drivers were of Pakistani descent ?. nowt fresh
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3:45pm Fri 24 Aug 12

TirNaNog says...

LuvFootball wrote:
A few weeks ago a friend's neighbour was attacked in his home in Batley. A couple of drunk girls pulled up, braying on his door and one of his neighbours called the cops. The police when they turned up arrested him because he has a record, on this occassion he had not done a single thing and his neighbours said he didn't even hit them back once in retaliation. The police spoke with the girls in their car, they were obviously drunk and they let them drive off in their car. I am sorry, but I do not have 100% trust in the police, when they are good they are good, but too often when it comes to a pretty face or if someone they are seeing that they don't like for whatever reason, they can jeopardise the safety and respect of the general public. Bradford has a reputation for bad drivers and I can point the finger at a certain ethnic/age/sex group but because of political correctness we can't say it because of media gagging. I avoid Bradford at all costs now, the city has been in decline commercially and it is in decline on a people's scale. Terrible drivers, Bradford is becoming a dive that is to be avoided unless something it drastically done. I used to go to Bradford every single week without fail, now, I drive on the outskirts passing it once in a while or get the bus in for the football. At least the rugby is outside of this terrible city. I am sorry, but there is nothing positive for me to say about the city now and this story is something a lot of people was already aware of.
Bye then!
PS Possibly the worst anecdotal BS I've ever read. You seriously think anyone is going to believe that? :-)))))))
[quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: A few weeks ago a friend's neighbour was attacked in his home in Batley. A couple of drunk girls pulled up, braying on his door and one of his neighbours called the cops. The police when they turned up arrested him because he has a record, on this occassion he had not done a single thing and his neighbours said he didn't even hit them back once in retaliation. The police spoke with the girls in their car, they were obviously drunk and they let them drive off in their car. I am sorry, but I do not have 100% trust in the police, when they are good they are good, but too often when it comes to a pretty face or if someone they are seeing that they don't like for whatever reason, they can jeopardise the safety and respect of the general public. Bradford has a reputation for bad drivers and I can point the finger at a certain ethnic/age/sex group but because of political correctness we can't say it because of media gagging. I avoid Bradford at all costs now, the city has been in decline commercially and it is in decline on a people's scale. Terrible drivers, Bradford is becoming a dive that is to be avoided unless something it drastically done. I used to go to Bradford every single week without fail, now, I drive on the outskirts passing it once in a while or get the bus in for the football. At least the rugby is outside of this terrible city. I am sorry, but there is nothing positive for me to say about the city now and this story is something a lot of people was already aware of.[/p][/quote]Bye then! PS Possibly the worst anecdotal BS I've ever read. You seriously think anyone is going to believe that? :-))))))) TirNaNog
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3:53pm Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
We're talking about Bradford here.

Voted for George Galloway? The man who uses the Asian community as a vehicle to bring himself in to the public eye? The attention seeking publicity wh0re? How long did he last in Bethnall Green once they realised he wasn't going to make good on all his BS?

If someone says there are serious problems in the Asian community in Bradford, that does NOT make them a racist.

I speak three Indian languages and I'm married to an Indian. I'm not racist but I am not blinkered about the issues the Asian community is facing with the youth today IN BRADFORD.
It clealrly does if you beleive that those issues, which are faced by all communities, is only a problem in the asian community, do these issues not exist elsewhere.

Who says the asian community does not recgonise issues in its community, we can see the unemployed, the drugs and crime, again the same issues exist in other communities and cities but seem to be downplayed quite often, Liverpool has very serious issues with guns and gangs, manchester for gangs, glasgow, London has a police force, Trident for dealing with gun crime in the black community.

Why the fascination, how can explain the disproportinate interest in two illegal bazaars, uninsured driving, guns and drugs time and again in the t&a forum and on comments, yet complete silence with regards to issues in their own communities from alchohol abuse which costs the country £20 billion a year, rapits priests, sex tourist, feral housing estates, asbo wearing youths, grannies being mugged or raped in their homes, fathers breeding with their kids and so on.

We both know thre answers to that one dont we, i guess thats why they are soo keen to deflect, any thoughs freind?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: We're talking about Bradford here. Voted for George Galloway? The man who uses the Asian community as a vehicle to bring himself in to the public eye? The attention seeking publicity wh0re? How long did he last in Bethnall Green once they realised he wasn't going to make good on all his BS? If someone says there are serious problems in the Asian community in Bradford, that does NOT make them a racist. I speak three Indian languages and I'm married to an Indian. I'm not racist but I am not blinkered about the issues the Asian community is facing with the youth today IN BRADFORD.[/p][/quote]It clealrly does if you beleive that those issues, which are faced by all communities, is only a problem in the asian community, do these issues not exist elsewhere. Who says the asian community does not recgonise issues in its community, we can see the unemployed, the drugs and crime, again the same issues exist in other communities and cities but seem to be downplayed quite often, Liverpool has very serious issues with guns and gangs, manchester for gangs, glasgow, London has a police force, Trident for dealing with gun crime in the black community. Why the fascination, how can explain the disproportinate interest in two illegal bazaars, uninsured driving, guns and drugs time and again in the t&a forum and on comments, yet complete silence with regards to issues in their own communities from alchohol abuse which costs the country £20 billion a year, rapits priests, sex tourist, feral housing estates, asbo wearing youths, grannies being mugged or raped in their homes, fathers breeding with their kids and so on. We both know thre answers to that one dont we, i guess thats why they are soo keen to deflect, any thoughs freind? dannywho
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4:11pm Fri 24 Aug 12

modman61 says...

TirNaNog wrote:
LuvFootball wrote: A few weeks ago a friend's neighbour was attacked in his home in Batley. A couple of drunk girls pulled up, braying on his door and one of his neighbours called the cops. The police when they turned up arrested him because he has a record, on this occassion he had not done a single thing and his neighbours said he didn't even hit them back once in retaliation. The police spoke with the girls in their car, they were obviously drunk and they let them drive off in their car. I am sorry, but I do not have 100% trust in the police, when they are good they are good, but too often when it comes to a pretty face or if someone they are seeing that they don't like for whatever reason, they can jeopardise the safety and respect of the general public. Bradford has a reputation for bad drivers and I can point the finger at a certain ethnic/age/sex group but because of political correctness we can't say it because of media gagging. I avoid Bradford at all costs now, the city has been in decline commercially and it is in decline on a people's scale. Terrible drivers, Bradford is becoming a dive that is to be avoided unless something it drastically done. I used to go to Bradford every single week without fail, now, I drive on the outskirts passing it once in a while or get the bus in for the football. At least the rugby is outside of this terrible city. I am sorry, but there is nothing positive for me to say about the city now and this story is something a lot of people was already aware of.
Bye then! PS Possibly the worst anecdotal BS I've ever read. You seriously think anyone is going to believe that? :-)))))))
Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with TirNaNog. I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know.
[quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: A few weeks ago a friend's neighbour was attacked in his home in Batley. A couple of drunk girls pulled up, braying on his door and one of his neighbours called the cops. The police when they turned up arrested him because he has a record, on this occassion he had not done a single thing and his neighbours said he didn't even hit them back once in retaliation. The police spoke with the girls in their car, they were obviously drunk and they let them drive off in their car. I am sorry, but I do not have 100% trust in the police, when they are good they are good, but too often when it comes to a pretty face or if someone they are seeing that they don't like for whatever reason, they can jeopardise the safety and respect of the general public. Bradford has a reputation for bad drivers and I can point the finger at a certain ethnic/age/sex group but because of political correctness we can't say it because of media gagging. I avoid Bradford at all costs now, the city has been in decline commercially and it is in decline on a people's scale. Terrible drivers, Bradford is becoming a dive that is to be avoided unless something it drastically done. I used to go to Bradford every single week without fail, now, I drive on the outskirts passing it once in a while or get the bus in for the football. At least the rugby is outside of this terrible city. I am sorry, but there is nothing positive for me to say about the city now and this story is something a lot of people was already aware of.[/p][/quote]Bye then! PS Possibly the worst anecdotal BS I've ever read. You seriously think anyone is going to believe that? :-)))))))[/p][/quote]Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with TirNaNog. I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know. modman61
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4:17pm Fri 24 Aug 12

modman61 says...

modman61 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
LuvFootball wrote: A few weeks ago a friend's neighbour was attacked in his home in Batley. A couple of drunk girls pulled up, braying on his door and one of his neighbours called the cops. The police when they turned up arrested him because he has a record, on this occassion he had not done a single thing and his neighbours said he didn't even hit them back once in retaliation. The police spoke with the girls in their car, they were obviously drunk and they let them drive off in their car. I am sorry, but I do not have 100% trust in the police, when they are good they are good, but too often when it comes to a pretty face or if someone they are seeing that they don't like for whatever reason, they can jeopardise the safety and respect of the general public. Bradford has a reputation for bad drivers and I can point the finger at a certain ethnic/age/sex group but because of political correctness we can't say it because of media gagging. I avoid Bradford at all costs now, the city has been in decline commercially and it is in decline on a people's scale. Terrible drivers, Bradford is becoming a dive that is to be avoided unless something it drastically done. I used to go to Bradford every single week without fail, now, I drive on the outskirts passing it once in a while or get the bus in for the football. At least the rugby is outside of this terrible city. I am sorry, but there is nothing positive for me to say about the city now and this story is something a lot of people was already aware of.
Bye then! PS Possibly the worst anecdotal BS I've ever read. You seriously think anyone is going to believe that? :-)))))))
Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with TirNaNog. I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know.
Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with LuvFootball and not TirNaNog . I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know.
[quote][p][bold]modman61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: A few weeks ago a friend's neighbour was attacked in his home in Batley. A couple of drunk girls pulled up, braying on his door and one of his neighbours called the cops. The police when they turned up arrested him because he has a record, on this occassion he had not done a single thing and his neighbours said he didn't even hit them back once in retaliation. The police spoke with the girls in their car, they were obviously drunk and they let them drive off in their car. I am sorry, but I do not have 100% trust in the police, when they are good they are good, but too often when it comes to a pretty face or if someone they are seeing that they don't like for whatever reason, they can jeopardise the safety and respect of the general public. Bradford has a reputation for bad drivers and I can point the finger at a certain ethnic/age/sex group but because of political correctness we can't say it because of media gagging. I avoid Bradford at all costs now, the city has been in decline commercially and it is in decline on a people's scale. Terrible drivers, Bradford is becoming a dive that is to be avoided unless something it drastically done. I used to go to Bradford every single week without fail, now, I drive on the outskirts passing it once in a while or get the bus in for the football. At least the rugby is outside of this terrible city. I am sorry, but there is nothing positive for me to say about the city now and this story is something a lot of people was already aware of.[/p][/quote]Bye then! PS Possibly the worst anecdotal BS I've ever read. You seriously think anyone is going to believe that? :-)))))))[/p][/quote]Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with TirNaNog. I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know.[/p][/quote]Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with LuvFootball and not TirNaNog . I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know. modman61
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5:17pm Fri 24 Aug 12

BD16 says...

dannywho wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade.

Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford.

Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a.

So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants?

Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed?

Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours?

You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right.

Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other.

Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16.

Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year.

www.thetelegraphanda

rgus.co.uk/news/9885

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£1.7 billion cost to nhs
£7.3 billion cost to police in crime
£6 billion in social costs
£6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc

So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer.

Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money.

But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.
That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read.

Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year.

Or isn't that what the story is about?
[quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a. So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants? Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed? Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours? You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right. Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other. Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16. Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year. www.thetelegraphanda rgus.co.uk/news/9885 210.City_has_4_hotsp ots_for_uninsured_dr ivers_out_of_UK_top_ 20/?ref=mc £1.7 billion cost to nhs £7.3 billion cost to police in crime £6 billion in social costs £6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer. Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money. But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.[/p][/quote]That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read. Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year. Or isn't that what the story is about? BD16
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5:23pm Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

BD16 wrote:
dannywho wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade.

Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford.

Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a.

So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants?

Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed?

Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours?

You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right.

Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other.

Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16.

Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year.

www.thetelegraphanda


rgus.co.uk/news/9885


210.City_has_4_hotsp


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£1.7 billion cost to nhs
£7.3 billion cost to police in crime
£6 billion in social costs
£6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc

So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer.

Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money.

But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.
That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read.

Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year.

Or isn't that what the story is about?
drunken intoxication is illegal and drink related crimes and other direct costs, cost the taxpayer £15 billion a year.

Crime is crime, is it not? why get worked up about one aspect of illegality and then try and downplay another, equally abhorrent crime that costs taxpayers directly?
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a. So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants? Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed? Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours? You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right. Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other. Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16. Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year. www.thetelegraphanda rgus.co.uk/news/9885 210.City_has_4_hotsp ots_for_uninsured_dr ivers_out_of_UK_top_ 20/?ref=mc £1.7 billion cost to nhs £7.3 billion cost to police in crime £6 billion in social costs £6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer. Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money. But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.[/p][/quote]That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read. Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year. Or isn't that what the story is about?[/p][/quote]drunken intoxication is illegal and drink related crimes and other direct costs, cost the taxpayer £15 billion a year. Crime is crime, is it not? why get worked up about one aspect of illegality and then try and downplay another, equally abhorrent crime that costs taxpayers directly? dannywho
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5:26pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Commonsensefirst says...

The members of all communities, English, Asian and Eastern Europeans are guilty of uninsured driving. It's definitely not a preserve of our youth.
The members of all communities, English, Asian and Eastern Europeans are guilty of uninsured driving. It's definitely not a preserve of our youth. Commonsensefirst
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5:49pm Fri 24 Aug 12

BD16 says...

dannywho wrote:
BD16 wrote:
dannywho wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade.

Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford.

Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a.

So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants?

Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed?

Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours?

You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right.

Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other.

Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16.

Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year.

www.thetelegraphanda



rgus.co.uk/news/9885



210.City_has_4_hotsp



ots_for_uninsured_dr



ivers_out_of_UK_top_



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£1.7 billion cost to nhs
£7.3 billion cost to police in crime
£6 billion in social costs
£6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc

So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer.

Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money.

But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.
That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read.

Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year.

Or isn't that what the story is about?
drunken intoxication is illegal and drink related crimes and other direct costs, cost the taxpayer £15 billion a year.

Crime is crime, is it not? why get worked up about one aspect of illegality and then try and downplay another, equally abhorrent crime that costs taxpayers directly?
Crime is crime, agreed. Be it the disgrace of the Catholic church covering up systematic abuse by priests or gangs of Muslim men grooming young girls, I hate the lot of them equally.

If you want to talk about them then I am up for that but this story is about a specific issue that has cost Bradford motorists hundreds of pounds a year for a long time and nothing seems to get done to stop it happening.

You yourself have mentioned low incomes and poverty in Bradford, do you think a lot of people can afford the hundreds of extra pounds they are asked to pay year on year because they do the right thing and pay for insurance?
[quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a. So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants? Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed? Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours? You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right. Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other. Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16. Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year. www.thetelegraphanda rgus.co.uk/news/9885 210.City_has_4_hotsp ots_for_uninsured_dr ivers_out_of_UK_top_ 20/?ref=mc £1.7 billion cost to nhs £7.3 billion cost to police in crime £6 billion in social costs £6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer. Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money. But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.[/p][/quote]That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read. Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year. Or isn't that what the story is about?[/p][/quote]drunken intoxication is illegal and drink related crimes and other direct costs, cost the taxpayer £15 billion a year. Crime is crime, is it not? why get worked up about one aspect of illegality and then try and downplay another, equally abhorrent crime that costs taxpayers directly?[/p][/quote]Crime is crime, agreed. Be it the disgrace of the Catholic church covering up systematic abuse by priests or gangs of Muslim men grooming young girls, I hate the lot of them equally. If you want to talk about them then I am up for that but this story is about a specific issue that has cost Bradford motorists hundreds of pounds a year for a long time and nothing seems to get done to stop it happening. You yourself have mentioned low incomes and poverty in Bradford, do you think a lot of people can afford the hundreds of extra pounds they are asked to pay year on year because they do the right thing and pay for insurance? BD16
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5:52pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Albion. says...

dannywho wrote:
BD16 wrote:
dannywho wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade.

Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford.

Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a.

So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants?

Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed?

Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours?

You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right.

Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other.

Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16.

Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year.

www.thetelegraphanda



rgus.co.uk/news/9885



210.City_has_4_hotsp



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£1.7 billion cost to nhs
£7.3 billion cost to police in crime
£6 billion in social costs
£6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc

So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer.

Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money.

But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.
That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read.

Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year.

Or isn't that what the story is about?
drunken intoxication is illegal and drink related crimes and other direct costs, cost the taxpayer £15 billion a year.

Crime is crime, is it not? why get worked up about one aspect of illegality and then try and downplay another, equally abhorrent crime that costs taxpayers directly?
Drunken intoxication is certainly not illegal, disorderly conduct can be illegal but the vast majority of people go home without incident.
[quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a. So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants? Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed? Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours? You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right. Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other. Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16. Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year. www.thetelegraphanda rgus.co.uk/news/9885 210.City_has_4_hotsp ots_for_uninsured_dr ivers_out_of_UK_top_ 20/?ref=mc £1.7 billion cost to nhs £7.3 billion cost to police in crime £6 billion in social costs £6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer. Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money. But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.[/p][/quote]That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read. Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year. Or isn't that what the story is about?[/p][/quote]drunken intoxication is illegal and drink related crimes and other direct costs, cost the taxpayer £15 billion a year. Crime is crime, is it not? why get worked up about one aspect of illegality and then try and downplay another, equally abhorrent crime that costs taxpayers directly?[/p][/quote]Drunken intoxication is certainly not illegal, disorderly conduct can be illegal but the vast majority of people go home without incident. Albion.
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6:48pm Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

Albion. wrote:
dannywho wrote:
BD16 wrote:
dannywho wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade.

Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford.

Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a.

So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants?

Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed?

Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours?

You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right.

Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other.

Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16.

Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year.

www.thetelegraphanda




rgus.co.uk/news/9885




210.City_has_4_hotsp




ots_for_uninsured_dr




ivers_out_of_UK_top_




20/?ref=mc

£1.7 billion cost to nhs
£7.3 billion cost to police in crime
£6 billion in social costs
£6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc

So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer.

Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money.

But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.
That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read.

Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year.

Or isn't that what the story is about?
drunken intoxication is illegal and drink related crimes and other direct costs, cost the taxpayer £15 billion a year.

Crime is crime, is it not? why get worked up about one aspect of illegality and then try and downplay another, equally abhorrent crime that costs taxpayers directly?
Drunken intoxication is certainly not illegal, disorderly conduct can be illegal but the vast majority of people go home without incident.
you should be aware that ignorance of the law is not recognised in the courts of law as a legal defence.

Letr me assure you drunken intoxication is a criminal offence and illegal in thsi country.

Its just that its so widespread that hte police prefer to deal with by looking the other way otherwise our courts would not be able to cope.

Please read the links, drunken intoxication is illegal in public, thats the law.

CHrist, thats a hell of a lot of law breakers that cost us in direct income taxes tot he tune of £15 billion per year.

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Public_into
xication

http://www.legislati
on.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict
/35-36/94/section/12
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a. So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants? Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed? Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours? You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right. Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other. Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16. Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year. www.thetelegraphanda rgus.co.uk/news/9885 210.City_has_4_hotsp ots_for_uninsured_dr ivers_out_of_UK_top_ 20/?ref=mc £1.7 billion cost to nhs £7.3 billion cost to police in crime £6 billion in social costs £6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer. Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money. But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.[/p][/quote]That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read. Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year. Or isn't that what the story is about?[/p][/quote]drunken intoxication is illegal and drink related crimes and other direct costs, cost the taxpayer £15 billion a year. Crime is crime, is it not? why get worked up about one aspect of illegality and then try and downplay another, equally abhorrent crime that costs taxpayers directly?[/p][/quote]Drunken intoxication is certainly not illegal, disorderly conduct can be illegal but the vast majority of people go home without incident.[/p][/quote]you should be aware that ignorance of the law is not recognised in the courts of law as a legal defence. Letr me assure you drunken intoxication is a criminal offence and illegal in thsi country. Its just that its so widespread that hte police prefer to deal with by looking the other way otherwise our courts would not be able to cope. Please read the links, drunken intoxication is illegal in public, thats the law. CHrist, thats a hell of a lot of law breakers that cost us in direct income taxes tot he tune of £15 billion per year. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Public_into xication http://www.legislati on.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict /35-36/94/section/12 dannywho
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6:52pm Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

look forwrad to your respobse albion oncew you have read the letter of the law, but being drunk and being drunk and disorderly are criminial offences under existing statutes, are they not Albion, you were mistaken and ignorant of the law in this respect, were you not?
look forwrad to your respobse albion oncew you have read the letter of the law, but being drunk and being drunk and disorderly are criminial offences under existing statutes, are they not Albion, you were mistaken and ignorant of the law in this respect, were you not? dannywho
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6:58pm Fri 24 Aug 12

dannywho says...

BD16 wrote:
dannywho wrote:
BD16 wrote:
dannywho wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade.

Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford.

Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a.

So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants?

Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed?

Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours?

You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right.

Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other.

Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16.

Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year.

www.thetelegraphanda




rgus.co.uk/news/9885




210.City_has_4_hotsp




ots_for_uninsured_dr




ivers_out_of_UK_top_




20/?ref=mc

£1.7 billion cost to nhs
£7.3 billion cost to police in crime
£6 billion in social costs
£6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc

So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer.

Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money.

But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.
That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read.

Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year.

Or isn't that what the story is about?
drunken intoxication is illegal and drink related crimes and other direct costs, cost the taxpayer £15 billion a year.

Crime is crime, is it not? why get worked up about one aspect of illegality and then try and downplay another, equally abhorrent crime that costs taxpayers directly?
Crime is crime, agreed. Be it the disgrace of the Catholic church covering up systematic abuse by priests or gangs of Muslim men grooming young girls, I hate the lot of them equally.

If you want to talk about them then I am up for that but this story is about a specific issue that has cost Bradford motorists hundreds of pounds a year for a long time and nothing seems to get done to stop it happening.

You yourself have mentioned low incomes and poverty in Bradford, do you think a lot of people can afford the hundreds of extra pounds they are asked to pay year on year because they do the right thing and pay for insurance?
why do people like you keep insisting on wrongly putting me on the side of uninsured drivers, i am NOT defending uninsured drivers. I am pointing out that uninsured driving is not a particular affliction of Pakistani men or women, a common myth about the Oakistani community (and one of many) that exists here and is continually repeated. Uninsured driving exists across all communities, thats it, why cant you understand that?
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a. So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants? Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed? Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours? You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right. Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other. Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16. Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year. www.thetelegraphanda rgus.co.uk/news/9885 210.City_has_4_hotsp ots_for_uninsured_dr ivers_out_of_UK_top_ 20/?ref=mc £1.7 billion cost to nhs £7.3 billion cost to police in crime £6 billion in social costs £6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer. Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money. But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.[/p][/quote]That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read. Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year. Or isn't that what the story is about?[/p][/quote]drunken intoxication is illegal and drink related crimes and other direct costs, cost the taxpayer £15 billion a year. Crime is crime, is it not? why get worked up about one aspect of illegality and then try and downplay another, equally abhorrent crime that costs taxpayers directly?[/p][/quote]Crime is crime, agreed. Be it the disgrace of the Catholic church covering up systematic abuse by priests or gangs of Muslim men grooming young girls, I hate the lot of them equally. If you want to talk about them then I am up for that but this story is about a specific issue that has cost Bradford motorists hundreds of pounds a year for a long time and nothing seems to get done to stop it happening. You yourself have mentioned low incomes and poverty in Bradford, do you think a lot of people can afford the hundreds of extra pounds they are asked to pay year on year because they do the right thing and pay for insurance?[/p][/quote]why do people like you keep insisting on wrongly putting me on the side of uninsured drivers, i am NOT defending uninsured drivers. I am pointing out that uninsured driving is not a particular affliction of Pakistani men or women, a common myth about the Oakistani community (and one of many) that exists here and is continually repeated. Uninsured driving exists across all communities, thats it, why cant you understand that? dannywho
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7:13pm Fri 24 Aug 12

BD16 says...

Who does the phrase "you people" refer to? I haven't quarrelled with you and have agreed with many of the posts of yours I read. I took exception to something somebody posted and found that according to you I had posted the "dumbest thing" you have ever mis-read.

This is a story about uninsured motorists who are costing legal motorists, of all colours and religions, hundreds of pounds a year. What is it with "you people" that you can't understand I want to see it stopped?
Who does the phrase "you people" refer to? I haven't quarrelled with you and have agreed with many of the posts of yours I read. I took exception to something somebody posted and found that according to you I had posted the "dumbest thing" you have ever mis-read. This is a story about uninsured motorists who are costing legal motorists, of all colours and religions, hundreds of pounds a year. What is it with "you people" that you can't understand I want to see it stopped? BD16
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7:50pm Fri 24 Aug 12

BD16 says...

BD16 wrote:
Who does the phrase "you people" refer to? I haven't quarrelled with you and have agreed with many of the posts of yours I read. I took exception to something somebody posted and found that according to you I had posted the "dumbest thing" you have ever mis-read.

This is a story about uninsured motorists who are costing legal motorists, of all colours and religions, hundreds of pounds a year. What is it with "you people" that you can't understand I want to see it stopped?
Sorry, should have been "people like you"
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Who does the phrase "you people" refer to? I haven't quarrelled with you and have agreed with many of the posts of yours I read. I took exception to something somebody posted and found that according to you I had posted the "dumbest thing" you have ever mis-read. This is a story about uninsured motorists who are costing legal motorists, of all colours and religions, hundreds of pounds a year. What is it with "you people" that you can't understand I want to see it stopped?[/p][/quote]Sorry, should have been "people like you" BD16
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8:45pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Mike Strutter says...

dannywho wrote:
BD16 wrote:
dannywho wrote:
BD16 wrote:
dannywho wrote:
BD16 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?
The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade.

Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford.

Why do you want to divert attention away from this?
thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a.

So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants?

Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed?

Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours?

You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right.

Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other.

Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16.

Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year.

www.thetelegraphanda





rgus.co.uk/news/9885





210.City_has_4_hotsp





ots_for_uninsured_dr





ivers_out_of_UK_top_





20/?ref=mc

£1.7 billion cost to nhs
£7.3 billion cost to police in crime
£6 billion in social costs
£6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc

So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer.

Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money.

But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.
That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read.

Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year.

Or isn't that what the story is about?
drunken intoxication is illegal and drink related crimes and other direct costs, cost the taxpayer £15 billion a year.

Crime is crime, is it not? why get worked up about one aspect of illegality and then try and downplay another, equally abhorrent crime that costs taxpayers directly?
Crime is crime, agreed. Be it the disgrace of the Catholic church covering up systematic abuse by priests or gangs of Muslim men grooming young girls, I hate the lot of them equally.

If you want to talk about them then I am up for that but this story is about a specific issue that has cost Bradford motorists hundreds of pounds a year for a long time and nothing seems to get done to stop it happening.

You yourself have mentioned low incomes and poverty in Bradford, do you think a lot of people can afford the hundreds of extra pounds they are asked to pay year on year because they do the right thing and pay for insurance?
why do people like you keep insisting on wrongly putting me on the side of uninsured drivers, i am NOT defending uninsured drivers. I am pointing out that uninsured driving is not a particular affliction of Pakistani men or women, a common myth about the Oakistani community (and one of many) that exists here and is continually repeated. Uninsured driving exists across all communities, thats it, why cant you understand that?
Next you will be saying that driving around with 4 kids on your back seat without seatbelts is not a predominantly Asian problem !!
[quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: Maybe we could somehow free up the 20 or 30 Officers I see regularly outside Revolution having to police silly little boys and girls whose parents don't give a flying one what they get up to as long as they aren't under their feet. We could then allocate them to cracking down on the sale of illicit cigarettes on council estates such as Holme Wood which are being run quite openly by certain families. Aren't they robbing HMRC and therefore me?[/p][/quote]The "silly little boys and girls" you mention are indeed just that but at least they keep bars, takeaways and taxis in business with their trade. Whilst the illicit sale of cigs, you allege happens, would cost HMRC a few bob, thousands of motorists a year are having premiums raised by hundreds of pounds a year because of people living in certain parts of Bradford. Why do you want to divert attention away from this?[/p][/quote]thats the dumbest thing ive read ina long while, and I regularly read comments in the t&a. So you are now lowering crime to "naughty boys and girls" and saying its okay to because it feeds taxis and restaurants? Does that mean drug dealing is okay because it keeps drug dealers employed? Is murder okay because it means the police have a job and hte funeral parlours? You see this a lot in the t&a, the same indigs jumping up and down about uninsured drivers, illegal bazzars (all because they attribute it to asians) and sudenly a bit of drunk and disorderly its all right. Let me remind you public intoxication is a criminal offence, honestly one law for one and none for hte other. Perhaps you could organise your thoughts better before commenting, BD16. Oh, and TirNaNog, the approximate cost to the UK economy and therefore taxpayers is little over £20 billion per year. www.thetelegraphanda rgus.co.uk/news/9885 210.City_has_4_hotsp ots_for_uninsured_dr ivers_out_of_UK_top_ 20/?ref=mc £1.7 billion cost to nhs £7.3 billion cost to police in crime £6 billion in social costs £6.4 billion to employers in sickies etc So roughly £15 billion in direct costs to the taxpayer. Divided across 26 million income tax payers, thats a lot of money. But then again we know that not many in bradford work, there's a lot of council estates with full time benefit lifestyle executives.[/p][/quote]That's probably the dumbest reply to a post I have ever read. Read it again, tirnanog made the "silly boys and girls" comment and I simply repeated it. At least drunks make a contribution to the economy was the thrust of what I was saying, whereas people not paying insurance are actually directly costing thousands of motorists hundreds of pounds a year. Or isn't that what the story is about?[/p][/quote]drunken intoxication is illegal and drink related crimes and other direct costs, cost the taxpayer £15 billion a year. Crime is crime, is it not? why get worked up about one aspect of illegality and then try and downplay another, equally abhorrent crime that costs taxpayers directly?[/p][/quote]Crime is crime, agreed. Be it the disgrace of the Catholic church covering up systematic abuse by priests or gangs of Muslim men grooming young girls, I hate the lot of them equally. If you want to talk about them then I am up for that but this story is about a specific issue that has cost Bradford motorists hundreds of pounds a year for a long time and nothing seems to get done to stop it happening. You yourself have mentioned low incomes and poverty in Bradford, do you think a lot of people can afford the hundreds of extra pounds they are asked to pay year on year because they do the right thing and pay for insurance?[/p][/quote]why do people like you keep insisting on wrongly putting me on the side of uninsured drivers, i am NOT defending uninsured drivers. I am pointing out that uninsured driving is not a particular affliction of Pakistani men or women, a common myth about the Oakistani community (and one of many) that exists here and is continually repeated. Uninsured driving exists across all communities, thats it, why cant you understand that?[/p][/quote]Next you will be saying that driving around with 4 kids on your back seat without seatbelts is not a predominantly Asian problem !! Mike Strutter
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8:02am Sat 25 Aug 12

dannywho says...

Ive never seen that and Ive lived in Bradford all my life, everyone I know with kids has special child seats fitted.

My infant is carried in a baby seat in the front (as recommended) and my toddler is in a booster seat in the back.

Next you,ll be saying, alchohol abuse, family breakdown and kids in care homes isn't a predominantly white problem!!
Ive never seen that and Ive lived in Bradford all my life, everyone I know with kids has special child seats fitted. My infant is carried in a baby seat in the front (as recommended) and my toddler is in a booster seat in the back. Next you,ll be saying, alchohol abuse, family breakdown and kids in care homes isn't a predominantly white problem!! dannywho
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8:16am Sat 25 Aug 12

dannywho says...

Actually a better reply would have been,

Next you,ll be saying, drink driving isn't a predominantly white problem!!
Actually a better reply would have been, Next you,ll be saying, drink driving isn't a predominantly white problem!! dannywho
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8:59am Sat 25 Aug 12

dannywho says...

Youve hone eerily silent again Albion, do you not want to confirm the illegality of public intoxication as you didntthink it was illegal. Not that you need to, anyone can read the statute i linked to and read the law for themselves.

http://www.legislati
on.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict
/35-36/94/section/12


Every person found drunk in any highway or other public place, whether a building or not, or on any licensed premises, shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding , and on a second conviction within a period of twelve months shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding , and on a third or subsequent conviction within such period of twelve months be liable to a penalty not exceeding .
Youve hone eerily silent again Albion, do you not want to confirm the illegality of public intoxication as you didntthink it was illegal. Not that you need to, anyone can read the statute i linked to and read the law for themselves. http://www.legislati on.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict /35-36/94/section/12 Every person found drunk in any highway or other public place, whether a building or not, or on any licensed premises, shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding [F1level 1 on the standard scale], and on a second conviction within a period of twelve months shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding [F1level 1 on the standard scale], and on a third or subsequent conviction within such period of twelve months be liable to a penalty not exceeding [F1level 1 on the standard scale]. dannywho
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11:37am Sat 25 Aug 12

Albion. says...

dannywho wrote:
Youve hone eerily silent again Albion, do you not want to confirm the illegality of public intoxication as you didntthink it was illegal. Not that you need to, anyone can read the statute i linked to and read the law for themselves.

http://www.legislati

on.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict

/35-36/94/section/12



Every person found drunk in any highway or other public place, whether a building or not, or on any licensed premises, shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding , and on a second conviction within a period of twelve months shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding , and on a third or subsequent conviction within such period of twelve months be liable to a penalty not exceeding .
I said "drunken intoxication is certainly not illegal"
It isn't!
Being so in certain public places is illegal, as indeed is behaving in a disorderly manner.
I never go "eerily silent", I do have things to do which sometimes means that I am not online.
[quote][p][bold]dannywho[/bold] wrote: Youve hone eerily silent again Albion, do you not want to confirm the illegality of public intoxication as you didntthink it was illegal. Not that you need to, anyone can read the statute i linked to and read the law for themselves. http://www.legislati on.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict /35-36/94/section/12 Every person found drunk in any highway or other public place, whether a building or not, or on any licensed premises, shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding [F1level 1 on the standard scale], and on a second conviction within a period of twelve months shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding [F1level 1 on the standard scale], and on a third or subsequent conviction within such period of twelve months be liable to a penalty not exceeding [F1level 1 on the standard scale].[/p][/quote]I said "drunken intoxication is certainly not illegal" It isn't! Being so in certain public places is illegal, as indeed is behaving in a disorderly manner. I never go "eerily silent", I do have things to do which sometimes means that I am not online. Albion.
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2:11pm Sat 25 Aug 12

nowt fresh says...

LuvFootball wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
keelhambar wrote: This situation is loading insurance premiums for all drivers with a BD postcode. I was recently quoted £120 more for a quote for BD13 than for the same cover in LS28.
And just what can we do as law abiding motorists apart from shop around and lets be honest the insurance companies are running a cartel just the same as the utility companies,phone companies,rail companies,ETC,ETC, well done Maggie Thacher your "market forces" are certainly screwing the working man !!!.
Newsflash, Maggie Thatcher was last in power 22 years ago almost a quarter of a century ago, we have had a few governments since then. Why do people always look at someone of the past to blame when more horrendous mistakes are being made since then? Labour has screwed the working man more since then, ruined the country, and believe it or not, tax actually when up for the working man when Blair came in compared to Major. It is a misconception that Tory is more against the working man which people dare not admit. Politics blinds people, most parties are as bad as each other, but to blame today's problems on someone that ran this country a quarter of a century ago is a bit far fetch.
Please read again LuvFootball where have I claimed your above comment "but to blame today's problems on someone that ran this country a quarter of a century ago is a bit far fetch". I pointed out that " insurance companies are running a cartel just the same as the utility companies,phone companies,rail " which Maggie Thatcher privatised back in the 80s,wind your neck in son, I even agree with this comment "Politics blinds people, most parties are as bad as each other" but unfortunatley we have to beleve the party we vote for will serve our individual needs better than the other party, just a quick question re your "ruined the country" are we the only western country failing in our efforts to turn our economy around ? think Greece,Italy,Spain,I
reland,France,German
y,and of course the USA this situation was not born out of the Labour government and that ruined the country spread from the UK around the world,a massive part of the blame is/was the USA subprime market where people were allowed to borrow money to buy property they could never pay back with the full support of banks asit wasover here wherepeople could borrow 125% mortgages, now before you say the Labour Party should have regulated the banks better just tell me which opposition party it was who said the banks needed LESS regulation ??got it in one the banker friends the Tory party.
[quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keelhambar[/bold] wrote: This situation is loading insurance premiums for all drivers with a BD postcode. I was recently quoted £120 more for a quote for BD13 than for the same cover in LS28.[/p][/quote]And just what can we do as law abiding motorists apart from shop around and lets be honest the insurance companies are running a cartel just the same as the utility companies,phone companies,rail companies,ETC,ETC, well done Maggie Thacher your "market forces" are certainly screwing the working man !!!.[/p][/quote]Newsflash, Maggie Thatcher was last in power 22 years ago almost a quarter of a century ago, we have had a few governments since then. Why do people always look at someone of the past to blame when more horrendous mistakes are being made since then? Labour has screwed the working man more since then, ruined the country, and believe it or not, tax actually when up for the working man when Blair came in compared to Major. It is a misconception that Tory is more against the working man which people dare not admit. Politics blinds people, most parties are as bad as each other, but to blame today's problems on someone that ran this country a quarter of a century ago is a bit far fetch.[/p][/quote]Please read again LuvFootball where have I claimed your above comment "but to blame today's problems on someone that ran this country a quarter of a century ago is a bit far fetch". I pointed out that " insurance companies are running a cartel just the same as the utility companies,phone companies,rail " which Maggie Thatcher privatised back in the 80s,wind your neck in son, I even agree with this comment "Politics blinds people, most parties are as bad as each other" but unfortunatley we have to beleve the party we vote for will serve our individual needs better than the other party, just a quick question re your "ruined the country" are we the only western country failing in our efforts to turn our economy around ? think Greece,Italy,Spain,I reland,France,German y,and of course the USA this situation was not born out of the Labour government and that ruined the country spread from the UK around the world,a massive part of the blame is/was the USA subprime market where people were allowed to borrow money to buy property they could never pay back with the full support of banks asit wasover here wherepeople could borrow 125% mortgages, now before you say the Labour Party should have regulated the banks better just tell me which opposition party it was who said the banks needed LESS regulation ??got it in one the banker friends the Tory party. nowt fresh
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4:36pm Sat 25 Aug 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

modman61 wrote:
modman61 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
LuvFootball wrote: A few weeks ago a friend's neighbour was attacked in his home in Batley. A couple of drunk girls pulled up, braying on his door and one of his neighbours called the cops. The police when they turned up arrested him because he has a record, on this occassion he had not done a single thing and his neighbours said he didn't even hit them back once in retaliation. The police spoke with the girls in their car, they were obviously drunk and they let them drive off in their car. I am sorry, but I do not have 100% trust in the police, when they are good they are good, but too often when it comes to a pretty face or if someone they are seeing that they don't like for whatever reason, they can jeopardise the safety and respect of the general public. Bradford has a reputation for bad drivers and I can point the finger at a certain ethnic/age/sex group but because of political correctness we can't say it because of media gagging. I avoid Bradford at all costs now, the city has been in decline commercially and it is in decline on a people's scale. Terrible drivers, Bradford is becoming a dive that is to be avoided unless something it drastically done. I used to go to Bradford every single week without fail, now, I drive on the outskirts passing it once in a while or get the bus in for the football. At least the rugby is outside of this terrible city. I am sorry, but there is nothing positive for me to say about the city now and this story is something a lot of people was already aware of.
Bye then! PS Possibly the worst anecdotal BS I've ever read. You seriously think anyone is going to believe that? :-)))))))
Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with TirNaNog. I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know.
Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with LuvFootball and not TirNaNog . I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know.
Those so-called Benefit scroungers, chavs etc. are the people of Bradford, who have no work and no industry, you smug racist little p rick.
[quote][p][bold]modman61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]modman61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: A few weeks ago a friend's neighbour was attacked in his home in Batley. A couple of drunk girls pulled up, braying on his door and one of his neighbours called the cops. The police when they turned up arrested him because he has a record, on this occassion he had not done a single thing and his neighbours said he didn't even hit them back once in retaliation. The police spoke with the girls in their car, they were obviously drunk and they let them drive off in their car. I am sorry, but I do not have 100% trust in the police, when they are good they are good, but too often when it comes to a pretty face or if someone they are seeing that they don't like for whatever reason, they can jeopardise the safety and respect of the general public. Bradford has a reputation for bad drivers and I can point the finger at a certain ethnic/age/sex group but because of political correctness we can't say it because of media gagging. I avoid Bradford at all costs now, the city has been in decline commercially and it is in decline on a people's scale. Terrible drivers, Bradford is becoming a dive that is to be avoided unless something it drastically done. I used to go to Bradford every single week without fail, now, I drive on the outskirts passing it once in a while or get the bus in for the football. At least the rugby is outside of this terrible city. I am sorry, but there is nothing positive for me to say about the city now and this story is something a lot of people was already aware of.[/p][/quote]Bye then! PS Possibly the worst anecdotal BS I've ever read. You seriously think anyone is going to believe that? :-)))))))[/p][/quote]Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with TirNaNog. I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know.[/p][/quote]Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with LuvFootball and not TirNaNog . I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know.[/p][/quote]Those so-called Benefit scroungers, chavs etc. are the people of Bradford, who have no work and no industry, you smug racist little p rick. a reasonable sort of chap
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11:21pm Mon 27 Aug 12

dudleyhill says...

Andy2010 wrote:
dudleyhill wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Apollo wrote:
dudleyhill wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!!
And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford. Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making.
Same here Sick of the Police excuses saying they are "busy" with other things. I too work and from time to time have to take on extra tasks which require more working hours for no money but I do it because THATS MY JOB I remember when the police were respected because they earnt it...now they couldnt care less as long as their pensions are covered
You prove my drivel point entirely, thank you.
Explain how that is?

Seen as you are in the "knowledge" about this explain please.

For example a couple of cars are parked around the corner from my hosue on a public road. Neither are taxed and not showing up as uninsured on the ASKmid database. After doing the Police's job for them I rang and spoke to someone at Javelin house reported this and was told they would deal.

This was 2 months ago and cars are still being used and stil uninsured. All the simply have to do is go to the house ? Explain please how this is effective policing. Sorry I forgot they will be too busy dealing with "other" matters.
Did you buy the officer that you reported it to a drink for not arresting you for breaching the data protection act, which you did when you signed that particular web site disclaimer before gleaning that information? No? Is it just every else's law breaking that is important and not yours? Hypocrite.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dudleyhill[/bold] wrote: As someone with some knowledge of Policing I am constantly amazed by the nonsense spouted on comment pages by self righteous " experts", always the same people, talking utter drivel about things they know nothing about. To answer some of the sillier comments, Police don't do it every day because they are possibly doing other things, like chasing people who are shooting each other, rolling around with drunks, attempting to catch burglars, answering every call from grown ups who cant organise there own lives, looking for missing children, sorting out communities who think it's acceptable to murder their children for varying reasons, chasing drug dealing vehicles with little of hope of getting convictions and generally holding a dysfunctional and selfish society from total collapse. If you are so outraged become a special and help your communities, be a doer rather than a talker co's some of you are very repetitive and incredibly boring!!!![/p][/quote]And I am tired of the same old excuses for not acting to deal with this problem being trotted out by apologists for the largely ineffective Policing we get in Bradford. Do you not see that many of the problems started with people being allowed to get away with the little things like insurance? Get a grip on those things and the rest will fall into line. Every car without insurance/tax/MOT is a potential drug dealer in the making.[/p][/quote]Same here Sick of the Police excuses saying they are "busy" with other things. I too work and from time to time have to take on extra tasks which require more working hours for no money but I do it because THATS MY JOB I remember when the police were respected because they earnt it...now they couldnt care less as long as their pensions are covered[/p][/quote]You prove my drivel point entirely, thank you.[/p][/quote]Explain how that is? Seen as you are in the "knowledge" about this explain please. For example a couple of cars are parked around the corner from my hosue on a public road. Neither are taxed and not showing up as uninsured on the ASKmid database. After doing the Police's job for them I rang and spoke to someone at Javelin house reported this and was told they would deal. This was 2 months ago and cars are still being used and stil uninsured. All the simply have to do is go to the house ? Explain please how this is effective policing. Sorry I forgot they will be too busy dealing with "other" matters.[/p][/quote]Did you buy the officer that you reported it to a drink for not arresting you for breaching the data protection act, which you did when you signed that particular web site disclaimer before gleaning that information? No? Is it just every else's law breaking that is important and not yours? Hypocrite. dudleyhill
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12:23am Tue 28 Aug 12

still got a pulse says...

@dudleyhill. Quote:"Did you buy the officer that you reported it to a drink for not arresting you for breaching the data protection act, which you did when you signed that particular web site disclaimer before gleaning that information? No? Is it just every else's law breaking that is important and not yours? Hypocrite."
So dudleyhill, If I planned on test driving one of said vehicles, how could I check it was insured? It would HAVE to be for MY insurance to be valid! By your logic you would have to put your license,maybe livelihood, on the line just to test a vehicle that would be a very major expense to me. I know what option I would choose.
Your inference that police can be bribed rather diminishes any creditability that you may have earned. Not denying that the police are above bribery, but, to suggest that, regarding a relatively trivial breach of the "law" is frivolous to say the least.
@dudleyhill. Quote:"Did you buy the officer that you reported it to a drink for not arresting you for breaching the data protection act, which you did when you signed that particular web site disclaimer before gleaning that information? No? Is it just every else's law breaking that is important and not yours? Hypocrite." So dudleyhill, If I planned on test driving one of said vehicles, how could I check it was insured? It would HAVE to be for MY insurance to be valid! By your logic you would have to put your license,maybe livelihood, on the line just to test a vehicle that would be a very major expense to me. I know what option I would choose. Your inference that police can be bribed rather diminishes any creditability that you may have earned. Not denying that the police are above bribery, but, to suggest that, regarding a relatively trivial breach of the "law" is frivolous to say the least. still got a pulse
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9:04am Tue 28 Aug 12

modman61 says...

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
modman61 wrote:
modman61 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
LuvFootball wrote: A few weeks ago a friend's neighbour was attacked in his home in Batley. A couple of drunk girls pulled up, braying on his door and one of his neighbours called the cops. The police when they turned up arrested him because he has a record, on this occassion he had not done a single thing and his neighbours said he didn't even hit them back once in retaliation. The police spoke with the girls in their car, they were obviously drunk and they let them drive off in their car. I am sorry, but I do not have 100% trust in the police, when they are good they are good, but too often when it comes to a pretty face or if someone they are seeing that they don't like for whatever reason, they can jeopardise the safety and respect of the general public. Bradford has a reputation for bad drivers and I can point the finger at a certain ethnic/age/sex group but because of political correctness we can't say it because of media gagging. I avoid Bradford at all costs now, the city has been in decline commercially and it is in decline on a people's scale. Terrible drivers, Bradford is becoming a dive that is to be avoided unless something it drastically done. I used to go to Bradford every single week without fail, now, I drive on the outskirts passing it once in a while or get the bus in for the football. At least the rugby is outside of this terrible city. I am sorry, but there is nothing positive for me to say about the city now and this story is something a lot of people was already aware of.
Bye then! PS Possibly the worst anecdotal BS I've ever read. You seriously think anyone is going to believe that? :-)))))))
Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with TirNaNog. I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know.
Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with LuvFootball and not TirNaNog . I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know.
Those so-called Benefit scroungers, chavs etc. are the people of Bradford, who have no work and no industry, you smug racist little p rick.
That's rich coming from you. I am not a smug racist little P***k as you put it, I walk round with my eyes open and see what is going on in the world and say what I see. Perhaps you should open your eyes and see the real world instead of the fantasy little world you obviously live in.
[quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]modman61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]modman61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LuvFootball[/bold] wrote: A few weeks ago a friend's neighbour was attacked in his home in Batley. A couple of drunk girls pulled up, braying on his door and one of his neighbours called the cops. The police when they turned up arrested him because he has a record, on this occassion he had not done a single thing and his neighbours said he didn't even hit them back once in retaliation. The police spoke with the girls in their car, they were obviously drunk and they let them drive off in their car. I am sorry, but I do not have 100% trust in the police, when they are good they are good, but too often when it comes to a pretty face or if someone they are seeing that they don't like for whatever reason, they can jeopardise the safety and respect of the general public. Bradford has a reputation for bad drivers and I can point the finger at a certain ethnic/age/sex group but because of political correctness we can't say it because of media gagging. I avoid Bradford at all costs now, the city has been in decline commercially and it is in decline on a people's scale. Terrible drivers, Bradford is becoming a dive that is to be avoided unless something it drastically done. I used to go to Bradford every single week without fail, now, I drive on the outskirts passing it once in a while or get the bus in for the football. At least the rugby is outside of this terrible city. I am sorry, but there is nothing positive for me to say about the city now and this story is something a lot of people was already aware of.[/p][/quote]Bye then! PS Possibly the worst anecdotal BS I've ever read. You seriously think anyone is going to believe that? :-)))))))[/p][/quote]Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with TirNaNog. I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know.[/p][/quote]Well I have lived in Bradford for 51 years and totally agree with LuvFootball and not TirNaNog . I am ashamed to say it but Bradford is now the pits. It's just full of benefit scroungers and chavs along with the eastern block scuffers, not to mention the others who I won't name but who we already know.[/p][/quote]Those so-called Benefit scroungers, chavs etc. are the people of Bradford, who have no work and no industry, you smug racist little p rick.[/p][/quote]That's rich coming from you. I am not a smug racist little P***k as you put it, I walk round with my eyes open and see what is going on in the world and say what I see. Perhaps you should open your eyes and see the real world instead of the fantasy little world you obviously live in. modman61
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