Muslim anger as water cut off during Ramadan fast

Asian Image: DRY: Councillor Jabba Riaz was called by many irate residents after their water was cut off. DRY: Councillor Jabba Riaz was called by many irate residents after their water was cut off.

FASTING muslims preparing for their pre-dawn meal were left high and dry after water supplies were shut off without warning.

Thirsty worshippers observing Ramadan – the month in which believers of the Islamic faith fast during daylight – flocked to Texaco in Bath Road in the early hours of the morning when they were left without running water on the hottest day of the year.

Supplies were disrupted by engineers from Severn Trent carrying out routine checks at about 2am yesterday.

The homes affected were in London Road, Wyld’s Lane, Lark Hill and Victoria Avenue in Worcester.

City councillor Jabba Riaz was inundated with calls from concerned residents, many of whom had gone without food and water for almost a day.

He estimated that up to 500 homes had been left without water for about 45 minutes.

Coun Riaz said: “It’s one of those things where if anybody wasn’t awake then nobody would have noticed, but that’s not the point.

“Nobody was informed about the cut off. People almost panicked.

“It’s quite an anxious time for those who fast.

“It’s extremely warm and muggy in the evening and people may need to drink water during the night - families with children, people who are sick.

“Severn Trent is a big enough company to have procedures in place. It’s not as if it was an emergency, that was the most annoying thing about it.

“You can go a few days without food but you need water. Putting it into context, it was the hottest day of the year and people are already dehydrated.”

Ben Jones, manager of Texaco in Bath Road, said there were three sales of large amounts of water between 2am and 2.30am.

He said: “One person bought 16.5 litres. That’s quite abnormal for that time of the morning. People don’t normally buy that quantity of water.”

A spokesman for Severn Trent apologised for the disruption, but could not confirm how many properties were affected or for how long the water was off.

He said: “We do have processes in place to make sure we don’t carry out work of this nature during Ramadan, but unfortunately on this occasion that was overlooked and we would like to apologise for this.

“However for the rest of Ramadan we will make sure that we do not plan any work without prior warning to our customers.”

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9:46am Thu 26 Jul 12

rugbycoach says...

Sounds like everyone was affected, not just muslims so I fail to understand why that was the headline?
Sounds like everyone was affected, not just muslims so I fail to understand why that was the headline? rugbycoach
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10:00am Thu 26 Jul 12

leemo79 says...

rugbycoach wrote:
Sounds like everyone was affected, not just muslims so I fail to understand why that was the headline?
Indeed!.. i am sure there were other faiths affected of all skin colours. Why make it about just one? I am sure everybody else was put out by this too. The elderly, young and infirm were probably just as concerned. They carry the work out at night so as not to put people out through the day and It was only off for 45 minutes!!
[quote][p][bold]rugbycoach[/bold] wrote: Sounds like everyone was affected, not just muslims so I fail to understand why that was the headline?[/p][/quote]Indeed!.. i am sure there were other faiths affected of all skin colours. Why make it about just one? I am sure everybody else was put out by this too. The elderly, young and infirm were probably just as concerned. They carry the work out at night so as not to put people out through the day and It was only off for 45 minutes!! leemo79
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10:40am Thu 26 Jul 12

Keith B says...

I don't get the regular complaints in these columns about what Worcester News carries as news.

Councillor Jabba Riaz achieved getting his name in the paper representing his core vote, (thus looking ahead to future elections) Worcester News filled a few column inches where otherwise there would have been a blank space and we all enjoyed reading and reacting to the story - otherwise we wouldn't be writing in this blog.

In fact this was news that was worth reading .. if only to annoy the people who will react against such stories. I'm one of the worst in thinking that we pander too much to minority communities be they religious, faddy or just plain annoying little groups who demand special consideration for their own chosen way of life, forgetting that that special consideration for them will probably affect millions of others - who in turn will also want special consideration.

For the headline writers we know that the word "muslim" will incite a reaction for and against and writing the headline is about getting people to read the story.

If you don't like the story nobody is forcing you to come on to this free site that tells you what's going on in an area where sometimes not a lot has happened.

Just take it as it is - it's a story. It's just sad that you can't wrap fish and chips in a computer screen !!!!!!!!!
I don't get the regular complaints in these columns about what Worcester News carries as news. Councillor Jabba Riaz achieved getting his name in the paper representing his core vote, (thus looking ahead to future elections) Worcester News filled a few column inches where otherwise there would have been a blank space and we all enjoyed reading and reacting to the story - otherwise we wouldn't be writing in this blog. In fact this was news that was worth reading .. if only to annoy the people who will react against such stories. I'm one of the worst in thinking that we pander too much to minority communities be they religious, faddy or just plain annoying little groups who demand special consideration for their own chosen way of life, forgetting that that special consideration for them will probably affect millions of others - who in turn will also want special consideration. For the headline writers we know that the word "muslim" will incite a reaction for and against and writing the headline is about getting people to read the story. If you don't like the story nobody is forcing you to come on to this free site that tells you what's going on in an area where sometimes not a lot has happened. Just take it as it is - it's a story. It's just sad that you can't wrap fish and chips in a computer screen !!!!!!!!! Keith B
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10:48am Thu 26 Jul 12

mchalgo says...

What an infernal cheek, and I am sorry Worcester News but you should not have reported this in the way you have. Firstly, yes Severn Trent should have put a notice in the local press prior to carrying out this work, just like the utility companies do prior to road works.
Secondly, well done ST for carrying out this work at the time you did, when it affected the least number of customers possible.
Thirdly, the times and dates of Ramadan have no bearing on this. The UK is still officially a Christian Country and our Monarch is still head of the Church of England - therefore if immigrants to our country do not wish to abide by our fundamental religion, go elsewhere, maybe to a Country that has your religion as it's principle faith, we are very tolerant of other faiths, but don't push it too far !!
What an infernal cheek, and I am sorry Worcester News but you should not have reported this in the way you have. Firstly, yes Severn Trent should have put a notice in the local press prior to carrying out this work, just like the utility companies do prior to road works. Secondly, well done ST for carrying out this work at the time you did, when it affected the least number of customers possible. Thirdly, the times and dates of Ramadan have no bearing on this. The UK is still officially a Christian Country and our Monarch is still head of the Church of England - therefore if immigrants to our country do not wish to abide by our fundamental religion, go elsewhere, maybe to a Country that has your religion as it's principle faith, we are very tolerant of other faiths, but don't push it too far !! mchalgo
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10:56am Thu 26 Jul 12

Harveytux says...

mchalgo wrote:
What an infernal cheek, and I am sorry Worcester News but you should not have reported this in the way you have. Firstly, yes Severn Trent should have put a notice in the local press prior to carrying out this work, just like the utility companies do prior to road works.
Secondly, well done ST for carrying out this work at the time you did, when it affected the least number of customers possible.
Thirdly, the times and dates of Ramadan have no bearing on this. The UK is still officially a Christian Country and our Monarch is still head of the Church of England - therefore if immigrants to our country do not wish to abide by our fundamental religion, go elsewhere, maybe to a Country that has your religion as it's principle faith, we are very tolerant of other faiths, but don't push it too far !!
what mchalgo said!
[quote][p][bold]mchalgo[/bold] wrote: What an infernal cheek, and I am sorry Worcester News but you should not have reported this in the way you have. Firstly, yes Severn Trent should have put a notice in the local press prior to carrying out this work, just like the utility companies do prior to road works. Secondly, well done ST for carrying out this work at the time you did, when it affected the least number of customers possible. Thirdly, the times and dates of Ramadan have no bearing on this. The UK is still officially a Christian Country and our Monarch is still head of the Church of England - therefore if immigrants to our country do not wish to abide by our fundamental religion, go elsewhere, maybe to a Country that has your religion as it's principle faith, we are very tolerant of other faiths, but don't push it too far !![/p][/quote]what mchalgo said! Harveytux
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11:17am Thu 26 Jul 12

Robot 3021 says...

Yes, very tolerant, we can see that.

Why do you assume that muslims are immigrants for example? Could they not have been born here?

It's a tiny little story, about a group of people who were adversely affected more proportionally than others by the water being cut off at this time - the clue is in the first line for goodness sake, "pre-dawn meal".

Severn Trent acknowledged that a mistake had been made, and that they would normally not schedule work for this time during Ramadan, and warning letters should have been sent out anyway.

So it's a story about a mistake being made, not about "immigrants to our country not wanting to abide by our fundamental religion".

It's not massive news, but it's news nonetheless, I really don't see why the knee jerk comments are necessary.

I find all religion to be equally ridiculous, but try to be as tolerant as I can towards those beliefs, as I believe a forward thinking progressive country should be too. It appears I'm in the minority, in this "Christian" country. What a sad state of affairs.
Yes, very tolerant, we can see that. Why do you assume that muslims are immigrants for example? Could they not have been born here? It's a tiny little story, about a group of people who were adversely affected more proportionally than others by the water being cut off at this time - the clue is in the first line for goodness sake, "pre-dawn meal". Severn Trent acknowledged that a mistake had been made, and that they would normally not schedule work for this time during Ramadan, and warning letters should have been sent out anyway. So it's a story about a mistake being made, not about "immigrants to our country not wanting to abide by our fundamental religion". It's not massive news, but it's news nonetheless, I really don't see why the knee jerk comments are necessary. I find all religion to be equally ridiculous, but try to be as tolerant as I can towards those beliefs, as I believe a forward thinking progressive country should be too. It appears I'm in the minority, in this "Christian" country. What a sad state of affairs. Robot 3021
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11:24am Thu 26 Jul 12

Sir Smeg says...

Didn't effect me, like any good Christian I was fast asleep at the time.
A certain phrase springs to mind at times like these, it begins 'when in Rome'
Didn't effect me, like any good Christian I was fast asleep at the time. A certain phrase springs to mind at times like these, it begins 'when in Rome' Sir Smeg
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1:03pm Thu 26 Jul 12

one94 says...

How dare the Muslims be angry! Tabloid journalism at it's best - you've got my vote for another day
How dare the Muslims be angry! Tabloid journalism at it's best - you've got my vote for another day one94
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1:31pm Thu 26 Jul 12

lotusfaery says...

Hang on! For a moment there I thought I was reading the Daily Mail!!! What a prejudice, exclusive opinion some of these comments are making! We live in a multi-cultural, diverse, multi-faith society where we accept and respects people's differences. The point of this article was not to raise a debate as to whether the Islamic community had the right to be annoyed by this, it was the fact Severn Trent did not have the decency, or efficiency to warn residents in the area of the disruption and allow them to prepare beforehand. The fact the article is centred around the Islamic community is because they were the majority affected due to the time of day and experinced such a huge impact. It was a Severn Trent's lack of initiative that led to them thinking or assuming that no one would be affected by a pre-dawn shut down. Yes, as some of you stated 'what about the poor old lady' who stays up all night, or even shift workers returning home or getting up early. Exactly, I agree, but, we might not hear their complaints because of various circumstances (access to communication, better things to do, severity of impact etc). The fact of the matter was there was no pre-warning or announcements that would have helped limit the negative impact of this situation (get bottled water ready in the cupboard). The point here, is NOT, that Severn Trent should have not turned off the water at that time, but should keep all Water Rate paying citizens, that a service they pay through the neck for, is going to be disrupted. It is common courtesy for such a huge company to do this. I am shocked and appauled at the tone of some of these comments.
Hang on! For a moment there I thought I was reading the Daily Mail!!! What a prejudice, exclusive opinion some of these comments are making! We live in a multi-cultural, diverse, multi-faith society where we accept and respects people's differences. The point of this article was not to raise a debate as to whether the Islamic community had the right to be annoyed by this, it was the fact Severn Trent did not have the decency, or efficiency to warn residents in the area of the disruption and allow them to prepare beforehand. The fact the article is centred around the Islamic community is because they were the majority affected due to the time of day and experinced such a huge impact. It was a Severn Trent's lack of initiative that led to them thinking or assuming that no one would be affected by a pre-dawn shut down. Yes, as some of you stated 'what about the poor old lady' who stays up all night, or even shift workers returning home or getting up early. Exactly, I agree, but, we might not hear their complaints because of various circumstances (access to communication, better things to do, severity of impact etc). The fact of the matter was there was no pre-warning or announcements that would have helped limit the negative impact of this situation (get bottled water ready in the cupboard). The point here, is NOT, that Severn Trent should have not turned off the water at that time, but should keep all Water Rate paying citizens, that a service they pay through the neck for, is going to be disrupted. It is common courtesy for such a huge company to do this. I am shocked and appauled at the tone of some of these comments. lotusfaery
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1:43pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Ballymoss says...

What an utterly pointless story to appease a minority!
What an utterly pointless story to appease a minority! Ballymoss
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1:44pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Saturn V says...

You're wasting your time lotusfaery.
The word 'Muslim' to some on here is like 'walkies' to a dog. The reaction is a lot of fevered yapping that no one understands as it's coming from a far less intelligent being.
However, at least a dog will sit down and be quiet when it's told.
You're wasting your time lotusfaery. The word 'Muslim' to some on here is like 'walkies' to a dog. The reaction is a lot of fevered yapping that no one understands as it's coming from a far less intelligent being. However, at least a dog will sit down and be quiet when it's told. Saturn V
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1:55pm Thu 26 Jul 12

loginthelog says...

I cannot believe some of the comments on here. It is irrelavent that Muslims observing Ramadan were not able to access water for 45 minutes in the middle of the night. The point is that this work should not have been done without informing everyone that it would be taking place. If this had been done, then people would have been able to prepare for this and would not have panicked thinking that the water was going to be off for some time. Anyone, of any faith, would have been concerned, so all those here complaining that the Muslim population should shut up or go elsewhere should think how they would have felt if they found there was no water and they had no idea when it would be back on.
I cannot believe some of the comments on here. It is irrelavent that Muslims observing Ramadan were not able to access water for 45 minutes in the middle of the night. The point is that this work should not have been done without informing everyone that it would be taking place. If this had been done, then people would have been able to prepare for this and would not have panicked thinking that the water was going to be off for some time. Anyone, of any faith, would have been concerned, so all those here complaining that the Muslim population should shut up or go elsewhere should think how they would have felt if they found there was no water and they had no idea when it would be back on. loginthelog
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3:02pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Worcesterman says...

loginthelog: It does not matter if you believe the comments or not.
People like you and others of the same opinion, must think like you, no its called free speech which the Progressives are doing their best to stifle.
And doing a good job at it, so please let the writers who do not agree with your way of thinking to do it.
The way its going free speech, will be abolished and people like you are allowing it to happen.
Muslims are being allowed to go their way, bit by bit, wheras Christians are having their beliefs slowly eaten away.

Robot3021 calls for tolerance, say that to the Muslims in their own countries, they do not allow the same freedom to christains.
loginthelog: It does not matter if you believe the comments or not. People like you and others of the same opinion, must think like you, no its called free speech which the Progressives are doing their best to stifle. And doing a good job at it, so please let the writers who do not agree with your way of thinking to do it. The way its going free speech, will be abolished and people like you are allowing it to happen. Muslims are being allowed to go their way, bit by bit, wheras Christians are having their beliefs slowly eaten away. Robot3021 calls for tolerance, say that to the Muslims in their own countries, they do not allow the same freedom to christains. Worcesterman
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3:20pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Guy66 says...

Any one ever keep a bottle of water in the fridge. Pointless story WN
Any one ever keep a bottle of water in the fridge. Pointless story WN Guy66
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3:22pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Guy66 says...

2am for 45 minutes

"City councillor Jabba Riaz was inundated with calls from concerned residents"

We all tend to call our councillors between 2 and 3 in the morning don't we!
2am for 45 minutes "City councillor Jabba Riaz was inundated with calls from concerned residents" We all tend to call our councillors between 2 and 3 in the morning don't we! Guy66
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4:03pm Thu 26 Jul 12

WAG2315 says...

City councillor Jabba Riaz was inundated with calls from concerned residents, many of whom had gone without food and water for almost a day.

surely a call to severn trent woud have been more appropiate :-)
City councillor Jabba Riaz was inundated with calls from concerned residents, many of whom had gone without food and water for almost a day. surely a call to severn trent woud have been more appropiate :-) WAG2315
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4:44pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Arthur Blenkinsop says...

Apparently the hotest day of the year occured at 2am!
Apparently the hotest day of the year occured at 2am! Arthur Blenkinsop
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4:54pm Thu 26 Jul 12

blueworcs says...

Water cut off for 45 minutes??? Easily solved, get the local paper to do a photo shoot with you AND your kitchen sink & they'll BRING a bottle with them.......Simples.
Water cut off for 45 minutes??? Easily solved, get the local paper to do a photo shoot with you AND your kitchen sink & they'll BRING a bottle with them.......Simples. blueworcs
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5:09pm Thu 26 Jul 12

blueworcs says...

Would Councillor Jabba Riaz get his picture in the paper & show as much concern if I phoned him at an un-earthly hour and complained about my local running out of Fosters?
Would Councillor Jabba Riaz get his picture in the paper & show as much concern if I phoned him at an un-earthly hour and complained about my local running out of Fosters? blueworcs
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5:10pm Thu 26 Jul 12

jovialcommonsense says...

How does Ramadan work for those around the Arctic Circle?
How does Ramadan work for those around the Arctic Circle? jovialcommonsense
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5:17pm Thu 26 Jul 12

CJH says...

jovialcommonsense wrote:
How does Ramadan work for those around the Arctic Circle?
Why wouldn't it?
[quote][p][bold]jovialcommonsense[/bold] wrote: How does Ramadan work for those around the Arctic Circle?[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it? CJH
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5:22pm Thu 26 Jul 12

jovialcommonsense says...

CJH wrote:
jovialcommonsense wrote:
How does Ramadan work for those around the Arctic Circle?
Why wouldn't it?
24 hour light, no dusk, no dawn....
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jovialcommonsense[/bold] wrote: How does Ramadan work for those around the Arctic Circle?[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it?[/p][/quote]24 hour light, no dusk, no dawn.... jovialcommonsense
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5:32pm Thu 26 Jul 12

CJH says...

Oh I see, you're just being silly. I thought you may have a serious point to make.
Oh I see, you're just being silly. I thought you may have a serious point to make. CJH
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5:59pm Thu 26 Jul 12

jovialcommonsense says...

CJH at her flippant/banal best.
I am interested because there must some kind of dispensation in circumstances outside of the individuals control? Like if water supplies dry up!
CJH at her flippant/banal best. I am interested because there must some kind of dispensation in circumstances outside of the individuals control? Like if water supplies dry up! jovialcommonsense
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7:07pm Thu 26 Jul 12

DEMRICS says...

Worcesterman wrote:
loginthelog: It does not matter if you believe the comments or not.
People like you and others of the same opinion, must think like you, no its called free speech which the Progressives are doing their best to stifle.
And doing a good job at it, so please let the writers who do not agree with your way of thinking to do it.
The way its going free speech, will be abolished and people like you are allowing it to happen.
Muslims are being allowed to go their way, bit by bit, wheras Christians are having their beliefs slowly eaten away.

Robot3021 calls for tolerance, say that to the Muslims in their own countries, they do not allow the same freedom to christains.
I totally agree Worcesterman. Also, if this was surely an issue solely about Severn Trent's failngs then no mention of Muslim's or Ramadan would have been made, only that simply residents were affected. But because the Muslim community felt that only they were being affected (or they would say targetted), they obviously complained to the WN and centred the story around their religion and beliefs which was being affected bythe lack of water. There is no mention about Christian's complaining in this article, or other people who's lives were disrupted.
[quote][p][bold]Worcesterman[/bold] wrote: loginthelog: It does not matter if you believe the comments or not. People like you and others of the same opinion, must think like you, no its called free speech which the Progressives are doing their best to stifle. And doing a good job at it, so please let the writers who do not agree with your way of thinking to do it. The way its going free speech, will be abolished and people like you are allowing it to happen. Muslims are being allowed to go their way, bit by bit, wheras Christians are having their beliefs slowly eaten away. Robot3021 calls for tolerance, say that to the Muslims in their own countries, they do not allow the same freedom to christains.[/p][/quote]I totally agree Worcesterman. Also, if this was surely an issue solely about Severn Trent's failngs then no mention of Muslim's or Ramadan would have been made, only that simply residents were affected. But because the Muslim community felt that only they were being affected (or they would say targetted), they obviously complained to the WN and centred the story around their religion and beliefs which was being affected bythe lack of water. There is no mention about Christian's complaining in this article, or other people who's lives were disrupted. DEMRICS
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7:08pm Thu 26 Jul 12

DEMRICS says...

Worcesterman wrote:
loginthelog: It does not matter if you believe the comments or not.
People like you and others of the same opinion, must think like you, no its called free speech which the Progressives are doing their best to stifle.
And doing a good job at it, so please let the writers who do not agree with your way of thinking to do it.
The way its going free speech, will be abolished and people like you are allowing it to happen.
Muslims are being allowed to go their way, bit by bit, wheras Christians are having their beliefs slowly eaten away.

Robot3021 calls for tolerance, say that to the Muslims in their own countries, they do not allow the same freedom to christains.
I totally agree Worcesterman. Also, if this was surely an issue solely about Severn Trent's failngs then no mention of Muslim's or Ramadan would have been made, only that simply residents were affected. But because the Muslim community felt that only they were being affected (or they would say targetted), they obviously complained to the WN and centred the story around their religion and beliefs which was being affected bythe lack of water. There is no mention about Christian's complaining in this article, or other people who's lives were disrupted.
[quote][p][bold]Worcesterman[/bold] wrote: loginthelog: It does not matter if you believe the comments or not. People like you and others of the same opinion, must think like you, no its called free speech which the Progressives are doing their best to stifle. And doing a good job at it, so please let the writers who do not agree with your way of thinking to do it. The way its going free speech, will be abolished and people like you are allowing it to happen. Muslims are being allowed to go their way, bit by bit, wheras Christians are having their beliefs slowly eaten away. Robot3021 calls for tolerance, say that to the Muslims in their own countries, they do not allow the same freedom to christains.[/p][/quote]I totally agree Worcesterman. Also, if this was surely an issue solely about Severn Trent's failngs then no mention of Muslim's or Ramadan would have been made, only that simply residents were affected. But because the Muslim community felt that only they were being affected (or they would say targetted), they obviously complained to the WN and centred the story around their religion and beliefs which was being affected bythe lack of water. There is no mention about Christian's complaining in this article, or other people who's lives were disrupted. DEMRICS
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7:30pm Thu 26 Jul 12

CJH says...

jovialcommonsense wrote:
CJH at her flippant/banal best. I am interested because there must some kind of dispensation in circumstances outside of the individuals control? Like if water supplies dry up!
Ah well then, why didn't you put that instead of trying to be all clever and enigmatic? Would have been sooo much easier. Ask the right question you may get a proper answer. Never mind, good try, better luck next time ;-)
[quote][p][bold]jovialcommonsense[/bold] wrote: CJH at her flippant/banal best. I am interested because there must some kind of dispensation in circumstances outside of the individuals control? Like if water supplies dry up![/p][/quote]Ah well then, why didn't you put that instead of trying to be all clever and enigmatic? Would have been sooo much easier. Ask the right question you may get a proper answer. Never mind, good try, better luck next time ;-) CJH
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7:53pm Thu 26 Jul 12

jovialcommonsense says...

CJH wrote:
jovialcommonsense wrote:
CJH at her flippant/banal best. I am interested because there must some kind of dispensation in circumstances outside of the individuals control? Like if water supplies dry up!
Ah well then, why didn't you put that instead of trying to be all clever and enigmatic? Would have been sooo much easier. Ask the right question you may get a proper answer. Never mind, good try, better luck next time ;-)
Sorry CJH I've overestimated your intelligence. I promise to bear that in mind in future:-)
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jovialcommonsense[/bold] wrote: CJH at her flippant/banal best. I am interested because there must some kind of dispensation in circumstances outside of the individuals control? Like if water supplies dry up![/p][/quote]Ah well then, why didn't you put that instead of trying to be all clever and enigmatic? Would have been sooo much easier. Ask the right question you may get a proper answer. Never mind, good try, better luck next time ;-)[/p][/quote]Sorry CJH I've overestimated your intelligence. I promise to bear that in mind in future:-) jovialcommonsense
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7:56pm Thu 26 Jul 12

CJH says...

jovialcommonsense wrote:
CJH wrote:
jovialcommonsense wrote: CJH at her flippant/banal best. I am interested because there must some kind of dispensation in circumstances outside of the individuals control? Like if water supplies dry up!
Ah well then, why didn't you put that instead of trying to be all clever and enigmatic? Would have been sooo much easier. Ask the right question you may get a proper answer. Never mind, good try, better luck next time ;-)
Sorry CJH I've overestimated your intelligence. I promise to bear that in mind in future:-)
Oops, I underestimated your need to draw attention to yourself...
[quote][p][bold]jovialcommonsense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jovialcommonsense[/bold] wrote: CJH at her flippant/banal best. I am interested because there must some kind of dispensation in circumstances outside of the individuals control? Like if water supplies dry up![/p][/quote]Ah well then, why didn't you put that instead of trying to be all clever and enigmatic? Would have been sooo much easier. Ask the right question you may get a proper answer. Never mind, good try, better luck next time ;-)[/p][/quote]Sorry CJH I've overestimated your intelligence. I promise to bear that in mind in future:-)[/p][/quote]Oops, I underestimated your need to draw attention to yourself... CJH
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10:02pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Lew Smoralz says...

Well, hasn't this been a load of laughs!

Idiots who are Muslim phoned their councillor instead of the water supplier, when they would have learnt immediately that the water was of for 45 minutes. Nobody had targeted their faith and discriminated against them... how pathetic.

At the same time the anti-Muslim brigade piled in and took advantage of the stupidity of these Muslim idiots and try to turn this into an anti-Muslim issue, rather than just simple idiots with big mouths sounding of to a councillor who likes publicity. All religions have the same sort of idiots, the Muslims are no worse than any other religion.

Is there anything more to add to this "story"?
Well, hasn't this been a load of laughs! Idiots who are Muslim phoned their councillor instead of the water supplier, when they would have learnt immediately that the water was of for 45 minutes. Nobody had targeted their faith and discriminated against them... how pathetic. At the same time the anti-Muslim brigade piled in and took advantage of the stupidity of these Muslim idiots and try to turn this into an anti-Muslim issue, rather than just simple idiots with big mouths sounding of to a councillor who likes publicity. All religions have the same sort of idiots, the Muslims are no worse than any other religion. Is there anything more to add to this "story"? Lew Smoralz
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11:23pm Thu 26 Jul 12

Ctrl Alt Del says...

I expect the garage proprietor is a bit hacked off, with a bit of notice he could have stuck a few pence on a bottle of water!
I expect the garage proprietor is a bit hacked off, with a bit of notice he could have stuck a few pence on a bottle of water! Ctrl Alt Del
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1:18am Fri 27 Jul 12

Guy66 says...

Islamic toilet etiquette

I might be mad with no water and bunch of rules like this to follow at 2am

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Islamic_toi
let_etiquette
Islamic toilet etiquette I might be mad with no water and bunch of rules like this to follow at 2am http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Islamic_toi let_etiquette Guy66
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2:16am Fri 27 Jul 12

davidcollier1 says...

Well well wel what can i say?

These types of incidents bring to light the racist and islamophobic attitudes that gravitate to the surface.

why are all the idiots replying in such a vitriolic and acidic manner? ST mucked up and their incompetence needs to be brought to light.

A company that makes a large profit in the millions has the obligation to look after its rate payers and hence should have informed the afected residents before hand.

Muslims are thankfully here to stay and they are a positive force in this city.

David
Well well wel what can i say? These types of incidents bring to light the racist and islamophobic attitudes that gravitate to the surface. why are all the idiots replying in such a vitriolic and acidic manner? ST mucked up and their incompetence needs to be brought to light. A company that makes a large profit in the millions has the obligation to look after its rate payers and hence should have informed the afected residents before hand. Muslims are thankfully here to stay and they are a positive force in this city. David davidcollier1
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8:37am Fri 27 Jul 12

maximuss1 says...

turned off for 45 mins omg lets hang the head of severn trent fancey working at the most undisruptive time shame on you!
turned off for 45 mins omg lets hang the head of severn trent fancey working at the most undisruptive time shame on you! maximuss1
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9:40am Fri 27 Jul 12

Keith B says...

When Severn Trent was founded in 1974 I wonder if the founders referred to every reference book written between 1400 and 2000 years ago, in places that are mostly desert and in alien language's.

If so was it the Quran or the Bible they looked up ..... and if so which competing chapter in those books which often appear to hold opposing views on the subject of water supply and almost everything else - sometimes within the same verse's!

Of course, if you look up Old News, there was a story, reported on the Mecca News web site in 610AD about the Desert Water Company cutting off the water off at 7am in the morning when the Christians were getting up to make a cup of tea. They complained too, and had a picture painted standing in front of their house (mainly with their arms folded) holding an empty pottery flagon upsidedown to show that they had run out of water.

The next day they were all executed for protesting, which is why there are no Christians in Mecca anymore, but the water was turned on 45 minutes later and everyone else was happy including Muhammad who went on to write a verse or two about the rules that 21st century Britain's should follow - referencing of course the writings of Matthew, Mark and Luke 500 years earlier who introduced the concept of Lent.

In the words of Rodney King "Can't we all get along".
When Severn Trent was founded in 1974 I wonder if the founders referred to every reference book written between 1400 and 2000 years ago, in places that are mostly desert and in alien language's. If so was it the Quran or the Bible they looked up ..... and if so which competing chapter in those books which often appear to hold opposing views on the subject of water supply and almost everything else - sometimes within the same verse's! Of course, if you look up Old News, there was a story, reported on the Mecca News web site in 610AD about the Desert Water Company cutting off the water off at 7am in the morning when the Christians were getting up to make a cup of tea. They complained too, and had a picture painted standing in front of their house (mainly with their arms folded) holding an empty pottery flagon upsidedown to show that they had run out of water. The next day they were all executed for protesting, which is why there are no Christians in Mecca anymore, but the water was turned on 45 minutes later and everyone else was happy including Muhammad who went on to write a verse or two about the rules that 21st century Britain's should follow - referencing of course the writings of Matthew, Mark and Luke 500 years earlier who introduced the concept of Lent. In the words of Rodney King "Can't we all get along". Keith B
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11:15am Fri 27 Jul 12

Jackie Barry says...

Guy66 wrote:
Islamic toilet etiquette

I might be mad with no water and bunch of rules like this to follow at 2am

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Islamic_toi

let_etiquette
I just had to read this article. Have to say it made me laugh. But this whole issue has been just a bit over dramatised. 45 mins without water in the middle of the night. Is this really a problem for the Muslim community? I think not. Just WN doing it's best to find news. The WN picture is "class" no folded arms here. Arm outstretched to show tap! Come on WN I am sure you can do better than this.
[quote][p][bold]Guy66[/bold] wrote: Islamic toilet etiquette I might be mad with no water and bunch of rules like this to follow at 2am http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Islamic_toi let_etiquette[/p][/quote]I just had to read this article. Have to say it made me laugh. But this whole issue has been just a bit over dramatised. 45 mins without water in the middle of the night. Is this really a problem for the Muslim community? I think not. Just WN doing it's best to find news. The WN picture is "class" no folded arms here. Arm outstretched to show tap! Come on WN I am sure you can do better than this. Jackie Barry
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3:02pm Fri 27 Jul 12

MrSeeEss says...

This story ticks all the boxes of a dry news day.

I dare say one or two affected complained, and that the complainants, as complainants do, blew the whole thing out of proportion...

The part that interested me were that the sick or the elderly were left dehydrated when fasting.

I'm not claiming to know the depths of any religion, but I do know, that the elderly, infirm and very young are not expected to fast, as part of their religion, at all.
This story ticks all the boxes of a dry news day. I dare say one or two affected complained, and that the complainants, as complainants do, blew the whole thing out of proportion... The part that interested me were that the sick or the elderly were left dehydrated when fasting. I'm not claiming to know the depths of any religion, but I do know, that the elderly, infirm and very young are not expected to fast, as part of their religion, at all. MrSeeEss
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5:20pm Fri 27 Jul 12

Scrappy doo says...

This is ridiculous, This article does nothing but divide people! and if you really scratch beneath the surface it's only about 2 people who woke during the night to find no water and panick bought far more than necessary. The water was off for 45 min's for goodness sake! It was probably restored by the time they got back from the shops. Imagine if the repairs hadn't been done and a pipe burst? how long would it be off for then??
Nobody gives you notice when you're gonna be stuck in a traffic jam for 45 mins,... get a grip people and please don't let one power hungry politician affect your views of the muslim community I'm sure many are totally embarrased by this article!
This is ridiculous, This article does nothing but divide people! and if you really scratch beneath the surface it's only about 2 people who woke during the night to find no water and panick bought far more than necessary. The water was off for 45 min's for goodness sake! It was probably restored by the time they got back from the shops. Imagine if the repairs hadn't been done and a pipe burst? how long would it be off for then?? Nobody gives you notice when you're gonna be stuck in a traffic jam for 45 mins,... get a grip people and please don't let one power hungry politician affect your views of the muslim community I'm sure many are totally embarrased by this article! Scrappy doo
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6:34pm Fri 27 Jul 12

Keith B says...

Yes, but it's quite fun winding up both the bigots and the white Liberals isn't it.

The one thing that is missing from this string seems to be .......... a muslim or somebody who lost their supply at 2am, and rang their Councillor straight away.
Yes, but it's quite fun winding up both the bigots and the white Liberals isn't it. The one thing that is missing from this string seems to be .......... a muslim or somebody who lost their supply at 2am, and rang their Councillor straight away. Keith B
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7:26pm Fri 27 Jul 12

mauro balbino says...

This morning the electricity failed twice at some addresses on WR2 5BZ. One of the power cuts lasted a good quarter of hour.
So, tomorrow in your WN:
"Christian anger as kettles didn't turn on".
Sincerely, that's a joke, isn't it?
This morning the electricity failed twice at some addresses on WR2 5BZ. One of the power cuts lasted a good quarter of hour. So, tomorrow in your WN: "Christian anger as kettles didn't turn on". Sincerely, that's a joke, isn't it? mauro balbino
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8:34am Sat 28 Jul 12

Worcesterman says...

davidcollier1: I suggest that you read my letter again, so that you can understand what I said.
I keep on repeating, why am I racist? we have the right of free speech, if my letter was racist the W/N would have not printed it would they?

Perhaps you can tell me exactly what do they do for us?
All I can see is they do it for themselves.
davidcollier1: I suggest that you read my letter again, so that you can understand what I said. I keep on repeating, why am I racist? we have the right of free speech, if my letter was racist the W/N would have not printed it would they? Perhaps you can tell me exactly what do they do for us? All I can see is they do it for themselves. Worcesterman
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9:35am Sat 28 Jul 12

Trofim says...

Muslim anger? This can't be right. Whoever heard of a musllm being angry? Nonsense.
Muslim anger? This can't be right. Whoever heard of a musllm being angry? Nonsense. Trofim
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10:11am Sat 28 Jul 12

DEMRICS says...

Worcesterman wrote:
davidcollier1: I suggest that you read my letter again, so that you can understand what I said.
I keep on repeating, why am I racist? we have the right of free speech, if my letter was racist the W/N would have not printed it would they?

Perhaps you can tell me exactly what do they do for us?
All I can see is they do it for themselves.
Well said Worcesterman and I suspect that your views are, quietly, shared with the vast majority of residents. Also, and this may be controversial, but I generally suspect that the majority of residents in Worcester, and in the the Country as whole, would like to see Muslims leave, to be frank. No-one partiucularly likes Islam and what the relgion stands for, and the way it dictates and surpresses the way of life against those of other, much free-er and liberal religions. And that's not be being racist, just exercising my right of free speech.
[quote][p][bold]Worcesterman[/bold] wrote: davidcollier1: I suggest that you read my letter again, so that you can understand what I said. I keep on repeating, why am I racist? we have the right of free speech, if my letter was racist the W/N would have not printed it would they? Perhaps you can tell me exactly what do they do for us? All I can see is they do it for themselves.[/p][/quote]Well said Worcesterman and I suspect that your views are, quietly, shared with the vast majority of residents. Also, and this may be controversial, but I generally suspect that the majority of residents in Worcester, and in the the Country as whole, would like to see Muslims leave, to be frank. No-one partiucularly likes Islam and what the relgion stands for, and the way it dictates and surpresses the way of life against those of other, much free-er and liberal religions. And that's not be being racist, just exercising my right of free speech. DEMRICS
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11:48am Sat 28 Jul 12

MrV says...

So the water was cut off and disrupted their evening ritual.

What about the non-Muslims who want to go about their daily life and are continually disrupted by 'their' nocturnal rituals, not just Ramadan. While the majority of us are asleep they....

If you don't live by them you cannot imagine how they affect/takeover an area.

Rant over and out.
So the water was cut off and disrupted their evening ritual. What about the non-Muslims who want to go about their daily life and are continually disrupted by 'their' nocturnal rituals, not just Ramadan. While the majority of us are asleep they.... If you don't live by them you cannot imagine how they affect/takeover an area. Rant over and out. MrV
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11:50am Sat 28 Jul 12

CJH says...

Worcesterman wrote:
davidcollier1: I suggest that you read my letter again, so that you can understand what I said. I keep on repeating, why am I racist? we have the right of free speech, if my letter was racist the W/N would have not printed it would they? Perhaps you can tell me exactly what do they do for us? All I can see is they do it for themselves.
You didn't write a letter Worcesterman, and the WN didn't publish it You made a comment on an article. Posts are not automatically monitored by the WN so you can write whatever you want. That is until someone reports you for being inappropriate.
[quote][p][bold]Worcesterman[/bold] wrote: davidcollier1: I suggest that you read my letter again, so that you can understand what I said. I keep on repeating, why am I racist? we have the right of free speech, if my letter was racist the W/N would have not printed it would they? Perhaps you can tell me exactly what do they do for us? All I can see is they do it for themselves.[/p][/quote]You didn't write a letter Worcesterman, and the WN didn't publish it You made a comment on an article. Posts are not automatically monitored by the WN so you can write whatever you want. That is until someone reports you for being inappropriate. CJH
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1:02pm Sat 28 Jul 12

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

Is the Pope Catholic? Is Worcesterman racist?
Is the Pope Catholic? Is Worcesterman racist? imustbeoldiwearacap
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2:11pm Sat 28 Jul 12

Trofim says...

At least we don't live in Morocco - it is an offence for a non-muslim to eat or drink in public during Ramadan - might upset you-know-who.

Want to know about Islam as it really is? Then go to the Council for Ex-Muslims - people who have had the courage to leave that pernicious ideology at risk to their health and well-being.

http://ex-muslim.org
.uk/
At least we don't live in Morocco - it is an offence for a non-muslim to eat or drink in public during Ramadan - might upset you-know-who. Want to know about Islam as it really is? Then go to the Council for Ex-Muslims - people who have had the courage to leave that pernicious ideology at risk to their health and well-being. http://ex-muslim.org .uk/ Trofim
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2:14pm Sat 28 Jul 12

Worcesterman says...

CJH: forever the righteous one, for your information any racist letter would be pulled off the letters page.
Have you got anything between your ears? Because I am beginning to wonder about you.
You always seem to pick on people you do not seem to like or agree with.
I have got news for you, I do not like you at all. But free speech as they say, I am all for it.
CJH: forever the righteous one, for your information any racist letter would be pulled off the letters page. Have you got anything between your ears? Because I am beginning to wonder about you. You always seem to pick on people you do not seem to like or agree with. I have got news for you, I do not like you at all. But free speech as they say, I am all for it. Worcesterman
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2:32pm Sat 28 Jul 12

Trofim says...

"racist" - is simply a word to which lefties resort when they are not winning the argument. "Islamophobia" is another favourite.
"racist" - is simply a word to which lefties resort when they are not winning the argument. "Islamophobia" is another favourite. Trofim
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2:35pm Sat 28 Jul 12

mauro balbino says...

Manifesto of the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain

We, non-believers, atheists, and ex-Muslims, are establishing or joining the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain to insist that no one be pigeonholed as Muslims with culturally relative rights nor deemed to be represented by regressive Islamic organisations and ‘Muslim community leaders’.

Those of us who have come forward with our names and photographs represent countless others who are unable or unwilling to do so because of the threats faced by those considered ‘apostates’ – punishable by death in countries under Islamic law.

By doing so, we are breaking the taboo that comes with renouncing Islam but also taking a stand for reason, universal rights and values, and secularism.

Whilst religion or the lack thereof is a private affair, the increasing intervention of and devastation caused by religion and particularly Islam in contemporary society has necessitated our public renunciation and declaration. We represent a majority in Europe and a vast secular and humanist protest movement in countries like Iran.

from: http://ex-muslim.org
.uk/manifesto/
Manifesto of the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain We, non-believers, atheists, and ex-Muslims, are establishing or joining the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain to insist that no one be pigeonholed as Muslims with culturally relative rights nor deemed to be represented by regressive Islamic organisations and ‘Muslim community leaders’. Those of us who have come forward with our names and photographs represent countless others who are unable or unwilling to do so because of the threats faced by those considered ‘apostates’ – punishable by death in countries under Islamic law. By doing so, we are breaking the taboo that comes with renouncing Islam but also taking a stand for reason, universal rights and values, and secularism. Whilst religion or the lack thereof is a private affair, the increasing intervention of and devastation caused by religion and particularly Islam in contemporary society has necessitated our public renunciation and declaration. We represent a majority in Europe and a vast secular and humanist protest movement in countries like Iran. from: http://ex-muslim.org .uk/manifesto/ mauro balbino
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2:39pm Sat 28 Jul 12

CJH says...

Worcesterman wrote:
CJH: forever the righteous one, for your information any racist letter would be pulled off the letters page. Have you got anything between your ears? Because I am beginning to wonder about you. You always seem to pick on people you do not seem to like or agree with. I have got news for you, I do not like you at all. But free speech as they say, I am all for it.
There you go again making assumptions. I didn't say you wrote a racist letter. I said, if you read it again, that posts were not monitored, so the WN would only pull a post if someone either reported it, or someone from the WN happened to read it. No racist letter would ever be published in the letters page, they all go through an editorial process. Please explain how that is picking on you. And what a childish remark to make, you sound like a small child telling the teacher that I nicked your sweeties! If you are not prepared for someone to have a different point of view don't take part in the comments/forums. It's very simple.
[quote][p][bold]Worcesterman[/bold] wrote: CJH: forever the righteous one, for your information any racist letter would be pulled off the letters page. Have you got anything between your ears? Because I am beginning to wonder about you. You always seem to pick on people you do not seem to like or agree with. I have got news for you, I do not like you at all. But free speech as they say, I am all for it.[/p][/quote]There you go again making assumptions. I didn't say you wrote a racist letter. I said, if you read it again, that posts were not monitored, so the WN would only pull a post if someone either reported it, or someone from the WN happened to read it. No racist letter would ever be published in the letters page, they all go through an editorial process. Please explain how that is picking on you. And what a childish remark to make, you sound like a small child telling the teacher that I nicked your sweeties! If you are not prepared for someone to have a different point of view don't take part in the comments/forums. It's very simple. CJH
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2:47pm Sat 28 Jul 12

Worcesterman says...

mauro balbino: You are a man standing tall.

If there were more and more people like you, the world would be a better place.

And less and less of people like CJH.

CJH, for your information, the Islamic World want the death of Christains and Jews, and nothing will stop them.
mauro balbino: You are a man standing tall. If there were more and more people like you, the world would be a better place. And less and less of people like CJH. CJH, for your information, the Islamic World want the death of Christains and Jews, and nothing will stop them. Worcesterman
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2:55pm Sat 28 Jul 12

mauro balbino says...

Very kind of you, Worcesterman ;-)
Very kind of you, Worcesterman ;-) mauro balbino
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2:58pm Sat 28 Jul 12

CJH says...

Worcesterman wrote:
mauro balbino: You are a man standing tall. If there were more and more people like you, the world would be a better place. And less and less of people like CJH. CJH, for your information, the Islamic World want the death of Christains and Jews, and nothing will stop them.
Thank you Worcesterman, but I don't need your 'information' especially as I have made no comments in this article for or against any religion.
[quote][p][bold]Worcesterman[/bold] wrote: mauro balbino: You are a man standing tall. If there were more and more people like you, the world would be a better place. And less and less of people like CJH. CJH, for your information, the Islamic World want the death of Christains and Jews, and nothing will stop them.[/p][/quote]Thank you Worcesterman, but I don't need your 'information' especially as I have made no comments in this article for or against any religion. CJH
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3:13pm Sat 28 Jul 12

varien says...

Worcesterman wrote:
CJH: forever the righteous one, for your information any racist letter would be pulled off the letters page. Have you got anything between your ears? Because I am beginning to wonder about you. You always seem to pick on people you do not seem to like or agree with. I have got news for you, I do not like you at all. But free speech as they say, I am all for it.
I see youv'e sussed out CJH but you are wasting your time in trying to put over your views to such a self-opinionated person as she is only capable of "selective" hearing (Or should I say "selective" reading).
I now wait with interest what her response to me will be because I am supporting you.
[quote][p][bold]Worcesterman[/bold] wrote: CJH: forever the righteous one, for your information any racist letter would be pulled off the letters page. Have you got anything between your ears? Because I am beginning to wonder about you. You always seem to pick on people you do not seem to like or agree with. I have got news for you, I do not like you at all. But free speech as they say, I am all for it.[/p][/quote]I see youv'e sussed out CJH but you are wasting your time in trying to put over your views to such a self-opinionated person as she is only capable of "selective" hearing (Or should I say "selective" reading). I now wait with interest what her response to me will be because I am supporting you. varien
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6:01pm Sat 28 Jul 12

Worcesterman says...

Thank you varian, I was coming to the same conclusion.
If she does not like what you write, then you are in trouble.
If I say shoot all murderers, her reply would be "oh no you cannot do that"

But she never gives a good alternative, she sends me up the wall.
Thank you varian, I was coming to the same conclusion. If she does not like what you write, then you are in trouble. If I say shoot all murderers, her reply would be "oh no you cannot do that" But she never gives a good alternative, she sends me up the wall. Worcesterman
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6:09pm Sat 28 Jul 12

CJH says...

Well when you get to the top of the wall, please jump off it ;-)
Well when you get to the top of the wall, please jump off it ;-) CJH
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6:12pm Sat 28 Jul 12

CJH says...

But make sure you put something soft down, don't want you to hurt yourself.
But make sure you put something soft down, don't want you to hurt yourself. CJH
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8:43pm Sat 28 Jul 12

VantagePoint says...

The water was off for 45 minutes in the middle of the night! I doubt very much that it inconvenienced people to the extent stated, why would it? They would be asleep at that time of the night.
The water was off for 45 minutes in the middle of the night! I doubt very much that it inconvenienced people to the extent stated, why would it? They would be asleep at that time of the night. VantagePoint
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1:27am Sun 29 Jul 12

Saturn V says...

Read the article again VantagePoint.
As for the rest of the comments...Wow, maybe we have devoluted to a "hick" mentality. Worcester seems to be infested by "wrong uns"
Read the article again VantagePoint. As for the rest of the comments...Wow, maybe we have devoluted to a "hick" mentality. Worcester seems to be infested by "wrong uns" Saturn V
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1:46am Sun 29 Jul 12

mauro balbino says...

It is a characteristic us earthlings share when compared to beings from outer space, Saturn V.
It is a characteristic us earthlings share when compared to beings from outer space, Saturn V. mauro balbino
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2:16am Sun 29 Jul 12

davidsmallwood says...

I've met many kind muslims (doctors, nurses in hospital for example). Always smile on face and show kindness.
I've met many kind muslims (doctors, nurses in hospital for example). Always smile on face and show kindness. davidsmallwood
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2:16am Sun 29 Jul 12

Saturn V says...

Earthlings...that's what we are ultimately.
Earthlings...that's what we are ultimately. Saturn V
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2:34am Sun 29 Jul 12

davidsmallwood says...

Shame on WN and Councillor Jabba, and others who have taken this opportunity to profiteer for themselves at the expense of Worcester's Muslims. Shame.
Shame on WN and Councillor Jabba, and others who have taken this opportunity to profiteer for themselves at the expense of Worcester's Muslims. Shame. davidsmallwood
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3:54am Sun 29 Jul 12

Watford110 says...

As a Muslim I am completely shocked at the extremity of some of the comments on this website. This article seems to be quite trivial and mentions Muslims as due to their religious beliefs this particular problem (which did not affect me) caused them more problems than the typical person who was not using their water supply at 2 AM.

Islam is a religion that teaches about equality and tolerance of all people regardless of race or gender (whereas in Britain two hundred years ago the slave trade was ripe and women were not allowed to vote.)

Many of the posters here seem to have several misconceptions about Islam which are unfortunately very common in this society and encouraged by certain newspapers.

Many of the problems Islam face is due to the cultural practices instead of religious practices of people living in the Middle east ( For example the Daily Mail recently published an article stating that tax-payers money was being used to build 'Islamic Toilets' before realising they were privately funded and that Islam does not copyright toilets - they are simply toilets which are preferred in the Middle East. Likewise unfortunately there are some people living in those parts of the world with certain outdated ideals - This is completely different to the philosophy suggested by Islam.

To conclude, I was simply trying to say that this article appears to be fairly harmless and does not set out to insult anyone unlike some of the posters here who appear to hold some very extreme and racist views.
As a Muslim I am completely shocked at the extremity of some of the comments on this website. This article seems to be quite trivial and mentions Muslims as due to their religious beliefs this particular problem (which did not affect me) caused them more problems than the typical person who was not using their water supply at 2 AM. Islam is a religion that teaches about equality and tolerance of all people regardless of race or gender (whereas in Britain two hundred years ago the slave trade was ripe and women were not allowed to vote.) Many of the posters here seem to have several misconceptions about Islam which are unfortunately very common in this society and encouraged by certain newspapers. Many of the problems Islam face is due to the cultural practices instead of religious practices of people living in the Middle east ( For example the Daily Mail recently published an article stating that tax-payers money was being used to build 'Islamic Toilets' before realising they were privately funded and that Islam does not copyright toilets - they are simply toilets which are preferred in the Middle East. Likewise unfortunately there are some people living in those parts of the world with certain outdated ideals - This is completely different to the philosophy suggested by Islam. To conclude, I was simply trying to say that this article appears to be fairly harmless and does not set out to insult anyone unlike some of the posters here who appear to hold some very extreme and racist views. Watford110
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9:17am Sun 29 Jul 12

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

The right to freedom of expression ("free speech") is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, however the right carries "special duties and responsibilities". Some of the commentators here proclaim their right to "free speech" but make their comments without those special duties and responsibility.
The right to freedom of expression ("free speech") is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, however the right carries "special duties and responsibilities". Some of the commentators here proclaim their right to "free speech" but make their comments without those special duties and responsibility. imustbeoldiwearacap
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10:18am Sun 29 Jul 12

Worcesterman says...

Watford110 : You are amazed by the so called extreme comments made?
Well I do not see any, all you see is what you want to see.

There are progressives around, who stir things up for their own agenda.

You mention the slave trade, that practice was stopped by the English.
Are you going to tell me the women of Islam vote for themselves, or what their husbands tell them to.

You say Islam is a religion that teaches equality, that may be but the people do not practice that do they?
It is pointless to mention all Islamic Countries, but lets pick Iran to be a Christain would mean your death and Israel is to be exterminated, so where is your equalty?
perhaps you can explain that to me.

All want to know Watford110, is the answer to that.
And I will tell you what you can't.
Watford110 : You are amazed by the so called extreme comments made? Well I do not see any, all you see is what you want to see. There are progressives around, who stir things up for their own agenda. You mention the slave trade, that practice was stopped by the English. Are you going to tell me the women of Islam vote for themselves, or what their husbands tell them to. You say Islam is a religion that teaches equality, that may be but the people do not practice that do they? It is pointless to mention all Islamic Countries, but lets pick Iran to be a Christain would mean your death and Israel is to be exterminated, so where is your equalty? perhaps you can explain that to me. All want to know Watford110, is the answer to that. And I will tell you what you can't. Worcesterman
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5:04pm Sun 29 Jul 12

mauro balbino says...

I lived many years in Portugal and about the slave trade that's what I learn:
The Portuguese fortifications along the African coast were there only to exchange goods.
The most important good they trade weren't precious metals or stones, because Brazil was a better place for it.
What they traded was the work force for the colony there: human beings.
How did they do it? They wait for the slavers to show at their gates.
Due to tribalism, slavery is endemic in Africa and the better organized hunts, caravans and markets were the islamic ones.
Nowadays, we can watch contemporary tribalism in local conflicts as Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Syria et aliis locis.
And free-speech is a legacy from free-men of Ancient Greece in a time were half of the world was ruled by middle-eastern or Asian dinasties where the word from god was the despot's.
I can also add that centuries later, when Sharia Law ( شريعة ) was developed, it never contemplated such an idea as free-speech. Even when there was a previous good example set by the Senate and People of Rome (SPQR)...
I lived many years in Portugal and about the slave trade that's what I learn: The Portuguese fortifications along the African coast were there only to exchange goods. The most important good they trade weren't precious metals or stones, because Brazil was a better place for it. What they traded was the work force for the colony there: human beings. How did they do it? They wait for the slavers to show at their gates. Due to tribalism, slavery is endemic in Africa and the better organized hunts, caravans and markets were the islamic ones. Nowadays, we can watch contemporary tribalism in local conflicts as Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Syria et aliis locis. And free-speech is a legacy from free-men of Ancient Greece in a time were half of the world was ruled by middle-eastern or Asian dinasties where the word from god was the despot's. I can also add that centuries later, when Sharia Law ( شريعة ) was developed, it never contemplated such an idea as free-speech. Even when there was a previous good example set by the Senate and People of Rome (SPQR)... mauro balbino
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5:21pm Sun 29 Jul 12

mauro balbino says...

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12:57am Mon 30 Jul 12

mijas4@live.com says...

Severn Trent has tried to carry out needed work at a time that would minimise disruption to people. I think it is reasonable to assume that a 45 minute disruption at 2 am in the morning achieves that objective. Dont apologise !

Why the hell should they have to take the fact it is Ramadan into account. If People want to par take in these bizarre religious rituals that is their choice.

Poor old down trodden Muslims why dont they go somewhere else where they would be better understood. ( Yes this might be classed by some as racist but I prefer to call it free speech).
Severn Trent has tried to carry out needed work at a time that would minimise disruption to people. I think it is reasonable to assume that a 45 minute disruption at 2 am in the morning achieves that objective. Dont apologise ! Why the hell should they have to take the fact it is Ramadan into account. If People want to par take in these bizarre religious rituals that is their choice. Poor old down trodden Muslims why dont they go somewhere else where they would be better understood. ( Yes this might be classed by some as racist but I prefer to call it free speech). mijas4@live.com
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8:57am Mon 30 Jul 12

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

I see the bigots are hiding behind their "right" to "free speech". The selective amnesia of some of the commentators is beyond belief!
I see the bigots are hiding behind their "right" to "free speech". The selective amnesia of some of the commentators is beyond belief! imustbeoldiwearacap
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9:15am Mon 30 Jul 12

mijas4@live.com says...

Here we go, anyone who says anything against Muslims is a bigot.

This story should have simply been about residents having their water cut off, in which case it would have been a non issue.

It is irrelevant that these residents were Muslim or celebrating Ramadan.

So they have either exploited their own religion to get publicity or been exploited by their councillor or the WN to get a cheap headline.
Here we go, anyone who says anything against Muslims is a bigot. This story should have simply been about residents having their water cut off, in which case it would have been a non issue. It is irrelevant that these residents were Muslim or celebrating Ramadan. So they have either exploited their own religion to get publicity or been exploited by their councillor or the WN to get a cheap headline. mijas4@live.com
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9:16am Mon 30 Jul 12

Gillian1961 says...

I remember that night, I had a very sore throat and started coughing i went to get a glass of water, only to realise the water had been cut of, do you know what i did ! had a glass of milk instead, Shell i sue WW
I remember that night, I had a very sore throat and started coughing i went to get a glass of water, only to realise the water had been cut of, do you know what i did ! had a glass of milk instead, Shell i sue WW Gillian1961
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9:41am Mon 30 Jul 12

rikdangerous says...

Worcesterman.

You really are bigoted and very uninformed and your name couldn't be more apt. You really are a Worcester Man.The exact reason why people like myself and most of my friends leave that provincial excuse for a city as soon as we get the chance. Your attitude is stuck in the past. Describing Wylds Lane as Pakistan? Many of the residents here are from India so not muslim you fool. And having a pop at the taxi drivers? Do you not remember these incidents:

"A driver was doused with petrol and set on fire. • Another was left with psychological problems after being smashed over the head with a metal bar. • Another was almost choked to death with his seatbelt. • Another was stabbed and left for dead. • In yet another incident, a driver suffered severe facial injuries after being lured by his passengers into a quiet cul-de-sac."

Also Severn Trent must have a Duty of Care to inform their paying customers that their facilities will be switched off, muslim or otherwise. It shows complete disregard to their customers.
Worcesterman. You really are bigoted and very uninformed and your name couldn't be more apt. You really are a Worcester Man.The exact reason why people like myself and most of my friends leave that provincial excuse for a city as soon as we get the chance. Your attitude is stuck in the past. Describing Wylds Lane as Pakistan? Many of the residents here are from India so not muslim you fool. And having a pop at the taxi drivers? Do you not remember these incidents: "A driver was doused with petrol and set on fire. • Another was left with psychological problems after being smashed over the head with a metal bar. • Another was almost choked to death with his seatbelt. • Another was stabbed and left for dead. • In yet another incident, a driver suffered severe facial injuries after being lured by his passengers into a quiet cul-de-sac." Also Severn Trent must have a Duty of Care to inform their paying customers that their facilities will be switched off, muslim or otherwise. It shows complete disregard to their customers. rikdangerous
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11:24am Mon 30 Jul 12

varien says...

There was a time when Wylds Lane was known locally as "Little Italy" so referring to the area as "Pakistan" is no big issue is it? It was Metal Box (now Crown Cork) who imported labour in from Italy in the 1950's to work in their Perrywood factory. They did this quite easily as Metal Box had interests in several manufacturing plants in Italy and recruitment was done throught these Italian factories, It was also Metal Box who recruited labour in from Pakistan in the early 1960's to also work in their factory. This labour from Pakistan tended to settle in the Wylds Lane area amongst the Italian community. I don't thnk there is much of an Italian community left in Wylds Lane.
There was a time when Wylds Lane was known locally as "Little Italy" so referring to the area as "Pakistan" is no big issue is it? It was Metal Box (now Crown Cork) who imported labour in from Italy in the 1950's to work in their Perrywood factory. They did this quite easily as Metal Box had interests in several manufacturing plants in Italy and recruitment was done throught these Italian factories, It was also Metal Box who recruited labour in from Pakistan in the early 1960's to also work in their factory. This labour from Pakistan tended to settle in the Wylds Lane area amongst the Italian community. I don't thnk there is much of an Italian community left in Wylds Lane. varien
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12:31pm Mon 30 Jul 12

Worcesterman says...

rikdangerous: Another fool come out of the woodwork?
I just wish that People like you, would read my letters and not put your own idiotic thoughts into what I have said.

As to your incidents you mentioned, that may be true but since the majority are Asian it stands to reason
that they are targeted. Before them white taxi drivers were assaulted, so that is nothing new.

I too remember when the area was called little Italy, they did not get upset about it and call us racist.
When you say we are intagrating, no, you live in your own areas you dont mix.
I could go on but it would be a waste of time.
rikdangerous: Another fool come out of the woodwork? I just wish that People like you, would read my letters and not put your own idiotic thoughts into what I have said. As to your incidents you mentioned, that may be true but since the majority are Asian it stands to reason that they are targeted. Before them white taxi drivers were assaulted, so that is nothing new. I too remember when the area was called little Italy, they did not get upset about it and call us racist. When you say we are intagrating, no, you live in your own areas you dont mix. I could go on but it would be a waste of time. Worcesterman
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12:55pm Mon 30 Jul 12

pinkfluff says...

Worcesterman wrote:
rikdangerous: Another fool come out of the woodwork? I just wish that People like you, would read my letters and not put your own idiotic thoughts into what I have said. As to your incidents you mentioned, that may be true but since the majority are Asian it stands to reason that they are targeted. Before them white taxi drivers were assaulted, so that is nothing new. I too remember when the area was called little Italy, they did not get upset about it and call us racist. When you say we are intagrating, no, you live in your own areas you dont mix. I could go on but it would be a waste of time.
That's the most sensible thing you have said so far Worcesterman....yes, go and have a little bit of a lie down.


Interesting to read all of the comments....but I do feel rather embarrased about my white skin at the moment though.
[quote][p][bold]Worcesterman[/bold] wrote: rikdangerous: Another fool come out of the woodwork? I just wish that People like you, would read my letters and not put your own idiotic thoughts into what I have said. As to your incidents you mentioned, that may be true but since the majority are Asian it stands to reason that they are targeted. Before them white taxi drivers were assaulted, so that is nothing new. I too remember when the area was called little Italy, they did not get upset about it and call us racist. When you say we are intagrating, no, you live in your own areas you dont mix. I could go on but it would be a waste of time.[/p][/quote]That's the most sensible thing you have said so far Worcesterman....yes, go and have a little bit of a lie down. Interesting to read all of the comments....but I do feel rather embarrased about my white skin at the moment though. pinkfluff
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1:18pm Mon 30 Jul 12

bob holloway says...

What a load of racial rubbish,a storm in a teacup.With that in mind do what we ALWAYS do ,leave the kettle filled up.
Make a pot of tea and stop whinging.
What a load of racial rubbish,a storm in a teacup.With that in mind do what we ALWAYS do ,leave the kettle filled up. Make a pot of tea and stop whinging. bob holloway
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1:18pm Mon 30 Jul 12

bob holloway says...

What a load of racial rubbish,a storm in a teacup.With that in mind do what we ALWAYS do ,leave the kettle filled up.
Make a pot of tea and stop whinging.
What a load of racial rubbish,a storm in a teacup.With that in mind do what we ALWAYS do ,leave the kettle filled up. Make a pot of tea and stop whinging. bob holloway
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2:38pm Mon 30 Jul 12

rikdangerous says...

Worcesterman wrote:
mauro balbino: You are a man standing tall.

If there were more and more people like you, the world would be a better place.

And less and less of people like CJH.

CJH, for your information, the Islamic World want the death of Christains and Jews, and nothing will stop them.
and for your information Worcesterman the "Islamic World" do not want the death of Christians and Jews. There are fundamentalists in every religion including Christianity. EDL, KKK? Your views are misled, media fuelled, and small minded. I wonder how many Muslim countries you have visited, and immersed yourself in to the culture to be able to make informed comments.
[quote][p][bold]Worcesterman[/bold] wrote: mauro balbino: You are a man standing tall. If there were more and more people like you, the world would be a better place. And less and less of people like CJH. CJH, for your information, the Islamic World want the death of Christains and Jews, and nothing will stop them.[/p][/quote]and for your information Worcesterman the "Islamic World" do not want the death of Christians and Jews. There are fundamentalists in every religion including Christianity. EDL, KKK? Your views are misled, media fuelled, and small minded. I wonder how many Muslim countries you have visited, and immersed yourself in to the culture to be able to make informed comments. rikdangerous
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2:42pm Mon 30 Jul 12

rikdangerous says...

Out of interest. I am white and if I wanted to be a taxi driver in Worcester then I would. What would be stopping me?
Out of interest. I am white and if I wanted to be a taxi driver in Worcester then I would. What would be stopping me? rikdangerous
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3:58am Tue 31 Jul 12

ideas4all says...

The sad thing to come out of this article the true feelings of some Worcester ppl are shown but the great fact is that these ppl are here to stay and their is nothing these racists can do about it no matter how much they moan about it on wn blogs what a great shame
The sad thing to come out of this article the true feelings of some Worcester ppl are shown but the great fact is that these ppl are here to stay and their is nothing these racists can do about it no matter how much they moan about it on wn blogs what a great shame ideas4all
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9:30am Tue 31 Jul 12

More Tea Vicar says...

rugbycoach wrote:
Sounds like everyone was affected, not just muslims so I fail to understand why that was the headline?
Precisely. This was a story about ST, not muslims. The story itself is almost worth printing. ST should have given warning, but the fact they didn't isn't exactly front page news.

The real problem is the coverage, which attempts to portray this as a muslim issue. It affects everyone.

Still, the picture is a laugh, so thanks for that, Worcester News.
[quote][p][bold]rugbycoach[/bold] wrote: Sounds like everyone was affected, not just muslims so I fail to understand why that was the headline?[/p][/quote]Precisely. This was a story about ST, not muslims. The story itself is almost worth printing. ST should have given warning, but the fact they didn't isn't exactly front page news. The real problem is the coverage, which attempts to portray this as a muslim issue. It affects everyone. Still, the picture is a laugh, so thanks for that, Worcester News. More Tea Vicar
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9:46am Tue 31 Jul 12

More Tea Vicar says...

Robot 3021 wrote:
Yes, very tolerant, we can see that. Why do you assume that muslims are immigrants for example? Could they not have been born here? It's a tiny little story, about a group of people who were adversely affected more proportionally than others by the water being cut off at this time - the clue is in the first line for goodness sake, "pre-dawn meal". Severn Trent acknowledged that a mistake had been made, and that they would normally not schedule work for this time during Ramadan, and warning letters should have been sent out anyway. So it's a story about a mistake being made, not about "immigrants to our country not wanting to abide by our fundamental religion". It's not massive news, but it's news nonetheless, I really don't see why the knee jerk comments are necessary. I find all religion to be equally ridiculous, but try to be as tolerant as I can towards those beliefs, as I believe a forward thinking progressive country should be too. It appears I'm in the minority, in this "Christian" country. What a sad state of affairs.
It is true that this story isn't really about muslims, but it was a councillor from that community who chose to make it into a story, with a muslim emphasis, and the WN chose the headline. So it's hardly fair to criticise others for picking up on that.

And a lot of muslims are immigrants, or offspring of people who arrived barely a generation or two ago. Their sympathies and affiliations are often with their 'home' country at least as much as with this one.

But either way, they are a religious/ethnic minority. Whether you approve of them being hear is your affair, but there is nothing forward thinking or progressive about multiculturalism.
[quote][p][bold]Robot 3021[/bold] wrote: Yes, very tolerant, we can see that. Why do you assume that muslims are immigrants for example? Could they not have been born here? It's a tiny little story, about a group of people who were adversely affected more proportionally than others by the water being cut off at this time - the clue is in the first line for goodness sake, "pre-dawn meal". Severn Trent acknowledged that a mistake had been made, and that they would normally not schedule work for this time during Ramadan, and warning letters should have been sent out anyway. So it's a story about a mistake being made, not about "immigrants to our country not wanting to abide by our fundamental religion". It's not massive news, but it's news nonetheless, I really don't see why the knee jerk comments are necessary. I find all religion to be equally ridiculous, but try to be as tolerant as I can towards those beliefs, as I believe a forward thinking progressive country should be too. It appears I'm in the minority, in this "Christian" country. What a sad state of affairs.[/p][/quote]It is true that this story isn't really about muslims, but it was a councillor from that community who chose to make it into a story, with a muslim emphasis, and the WN chose the headline. So it's hardly fair to criticise others for picking up on that. And a lot of muslims are immigrants, or offspring of people who arrived barely a generation or two ago. Their sympathies and affiliations are often with their 'home' country at least as much as with this one. But either way, they are a religious/ethnic minority. Whether you approve of them being hear is your affair, but there is nothing forward thinking or progressive about multiculturalism. More Tea Vicar
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10:29am Tue 31 Jul 12

Robot 3021 says...

More Tea Vicar wrote:
Robot 3021 wrote: Yes, very tolerant, we can see that. Why do you assume that muslims are immigrants for example? Could they not have been born here? It's a tiny little story, about a group of people who were adversely affected more proportionally than others by the water being cut off at this time - the clue is in the first line for goodness sake, "pre-dawn meal". Severn Trent acknowledged that a mistake had been made, and that they would normally not schedule work for this time during Ramadan, and warning letters should have been sent out anyway. So it's a story about a mistake being made, not about "immigrants to our country not wanting to abide by our fundamental religion". It's not massive news, but it's news nonetheless, I really don't see why the knee jerk comments are necessary. I find all religion to be equally ridiculous, but try to be as tolerant as I can towards those beliefs, as I believe a forward thinking progressive country should be too. It appears I'm in the minority, in this "Christian" country. What a sad state of affairs.
It is true that this story isn't really about muslims, but it was a councillor from that community who chose to make it into a story, with a muslim emphasis, and the WN chose the headline. So it's hardly fair to criticise others for picking up on that. And a lot of muslims are immigrants, or offspring of people who arrived barely a generation or two ago. Their sympathies and affiliations are often with their 'home' country at least as much as with this one. But either way, they are a religious/ethnic minority. Whether you approve of them being hear is your affair, but there is nothing forward thinking or progressive about multiculturalism.
"A lot", "barely a generation or two", "often".... no facts, just vague opinions dressed up as facts. You present no statistics showing numbers of immigrants against numbers born here, just fall back on the old favourite "lots", and you can't possibly know where the majority of muslims' sympathies and affiliations lie, and it is disingenuous to assume that you can - particularly when it has pretty much nothing to do with the story being reported anyway.

As for multiculturalism, I simply stated what I believe, unlike you who once again decided to parade your opinion as fact. Shoddy thinking and shoddy presentation of that thinking, with no real relevance to the story.

Once again, it is a story about a group of people being adversely affected more proportionally by something that should have been advertised... like if the water was cut off at 3pm, pensioners would be angry they couldn't make a cuppa in time for Countdown (picture of pensioner with arms folded looking cross in front of a kettle)... pretty much every group in every report is a minority in some way, that's kind of the way news works, someone is affected by something, it gets reported. "Down with these cyclists, most people in Worcester drive cars", "Why report on this parents' group, I'm not a parent and neither are any of my friends", "Plum Festival? We're apple people around here I'll have you know"... it just smacks of little England and unnecessary knee jerk anger against a pretty minor story.
[quote][p][bold]More Tea Vicar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robot 3021[/bold] wrote: Yes, very tolerant, we can see that. Why do you assume that muslims are immigrants for example? Could they not have been born here? It's a tiny little story, about a group of people who were adversely affected more proportionally than others by the water being cut off at this time - the clue is in the first line for goodness sake, "pre-dawn meal". Severn Trent acknowledged that a mistake had been made, and that they would normally not schedule work for this time during Ramadan, and warning letters should have been sent out anyway. So it's a story about a mistake being made, not about "immigrants to our country not wanting to abide by our fundamental religion". It's not massive news, but it's news nonetheless, I really don't see why the knee jerk comments are necessary. I find all religion to be equally ridiculous, but try to be as tolerant as I can towards those beliefs, as I believe a forward thinking progressive country should be too. It appears I'm in the minority, in this "Christian" country. What a sad state of affairs.[/p][/quote]It is true that this story isn't really about muslims, but it was a councillor from that community who chose to make it into a story, with a muslim emphasis, and the WN chose the headline. So it's hardly fair to criticise others for picking up on that. And a lot of muslims are immigrants, or offspring of people who arrived barely a generation or two ago. Their sympathies and affiliations are often with their 'home' country at least as much as with this one. But either way, they are a religious/ethnic minority. Whether you approve of them being hear is your affair, but there is nothing forward thinking or progressive about multiculturalism.[/p][/quote]"A lot", "barely a generation or two", "often".... no facts, just vague opinions dressed up as facts. You present no statistics showing numbers of immigrants against numbers born here, just fall back on the old favourite "lots", and you can't possibly know where the majority of muslims' sympathies and affiliations lie, and it is disingenuous to assume that you can - particularly when it has pretty much nothing to do with the story being reported anyway. As for multiculturalism, I simply stated what I believe, unlike you who once again decided to parade your opinion as fact. Shoddy thinking and shoddy presentation of that thinking, with no real relevance to the story. Once again, it is a story about a group of people being adversely affected more proportionally by something that should have been advertised... like if the water was cut off at 3pm, pensioners would be angry they couldn't make a cuppa in time for Countdown (picture of pensioner with arms folded looking cross in front of a kettle)... pretty much every group in every report is a minority in some way, that's kind of the way news works, someone is affected by something, it gets reported. "Down with these cyclists, most people in Worcester drive cars", "Why report on this parents' group, I'm not a parent and neither are any of my friends", "Plum Festival? We're apple people around here I'll have you know"... it just smacks of little England and unnecessary knee jerk anger against a pretty minor story. Robot 3021
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11:19am Tue 31 Jul 12

lalala24 says...

What a bunch of ridiculous comments. I hope for a day when people aren’t described by their religion, colour or sexual preference. We are all humans, we all partake in different activities, but we are all the same. The majority of comments, like the article itself, are creating a divide - what is the point? If it had been on old lady, referred to as an OAP no one would have said a word. It’s 2012 for goodness sake!! Muslims, Seeks, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Jehovah’s Witnesses etc have all been living together for many years now, it’s not a new thing so just shut up and call people people because that is what we ALL are!!!!
What a bunch of ridiculous comments. I hope for a day when people aren’t described by their religion, colour or sexual preference. We are all humans, we all partake in different activities, but we are all the same. The majority of comments, like the article itself, are creating a divide - what is the point? If it had been on old lady, referred to as an OAP no one would have said a word. It’s 2012 for goodness sake!! Muslims, Seeks, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Jehovah’s Witnesses etc have all been living together for many years now, it’s not a new thing so just shut up and call people people because that is what we ALL are!!!! lalala24
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11:27am Tue 31 Jul 12

More Tea Vicar says...

Robot 3021 wrote:
More Tea Vicar wrote:
Robot 3021 wrote: Yes, very tolerant, we can see that. Why do you assume that muslims are immigrants for example? Could they not have been born here? It's a tiny little story, about a group of people who were adversely affected more proportionally than others by the water being cut off at this time - the clue is in the first line for goodness sake, "pre-dawn meal". Severn Trent acknowledged that a mistake had been made, and that they would normally not schedule work for this time during Ramadan, and warning letters should have been sent out anyway. So it's a story about a mistake being made, not about "immigrants to our country not wanting to abide by our fundamental religion". It's not massive news, but it's news nonetheless, I really don't see why the knee jerk comments are necessary. I find all religion to be equally ridiculous, but try to be as tolerant as I can towards those beliefs, as I believe a forward thinking progressive country should be too. It appears I'm in the minority, in this "Christian" country. What a sad state of affairs.
It is true that this story isn't really about muslims, but it was a councillor from that community who chose to make it into a story, with a muslim emphasis, and the WN chose the headline. So it's hardly fair to criticise others for picking up on that. And a lot of muslims are immigrants, or offspring of people who arrived barely a generation or two ago. Their sympathies and affiliations are often with their 'home' country at least as much as with this one. But either way, they are a religious/ethnic minority. Whether you approve of them being hear is your affair, but there is nothing forward thinking or progressive about multiculturalism.
"A lot", "barely a generation or two", "often".... no facts, just vague opinions dressed up as facts. You present no statistics showing numbers of immigrants against numbers born here, just fall back on the old favourite "lots", and you can't possibly know where the majority of muslims' sympathies and affiliations lie, and it is disingenuous to assume that you can - particularly when it has pretty much nothing to do with the story being reported anyway. As for multiculturalism, I simply stated what I believe, unlike you who once again decided to parade your opinion as fact. Shoddy thinking and shoddy presentation of that thinking, with no real relevance to the story. Once again, it is a story about a group of people being adversely affected more proportionally by something that should have been advertised... like if the water was cut off at 3pm, pensioners would be angry they couldn't make a cuppa in time for Countdown (picture of pensioner with arms folded looking cross in front of a kettle)... pretty much every group in every report is a minority in some way, that's kind of the way news works, someone is affected by something, it gets reported. "Down with these cyclists, most people in Worcester drive cars", "Why report on this parents' group, I'm not a parent and neither are any of my friends", "Plum Festival? We're apple people around here I'll have you know"... it just smacks of little England and unnecessary knee jerk anger against a pretty minor story.
You really think it's necessary to go throgh the whole history of muslim immigration to make any statement about it?

The muslim councillor chose to make this a muslim story. That is why it's about muslims.

You have stated your beliefs, I have stated mine. You gave no reasons to back yours up, yet you expect me to do so in support of mine.

Basically, you seem to think multiculturalism is good, 'progressive' etc. I think you're entitled to that view, but I would question its validity. It is certainly a view trotted out as fact by those who believe it to be true.
[quote][p][bold]Robot 3021[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Tea Vicar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robot 3021[/bold] wrote: Yes, very tolerant, we can see that. Why do you assume that muslims are immigrants for example? Could they not have been born here? It's a tiny little story, about a group of people who were adversely affected more proportionally than others by the water being cut off at this time - the clue is in the first line for goodness sake, "pre-dawn meal". Severn Trent acknowledged that a mistake had been made, and that they would normally not schedule work for this time during Ramadan, and warning letters should have been sent out anyway. So it's a story about a mistake being made, not about "immigrants to our country not wanting to abide by our fundamental religion". It's not massive news, but it's news nonetheless, I really don't see why the knee jerk comments are necessary. I find all religion to be equally ridiculous, but try to be as tolerant as I can towards those beliefs, as I believe a forward thinking progressive country should be too. It appears I'm in the minority, in this "Christian" country. What a sad state of affairs.[/p][/quote]It is true that this story isn't really about muslims, but it was a councillor from that community who chose to make it into a story, with a muslim emphasis, and the WN chose the headline. So it's hardly fair to criticise others for picking up on that. And a lot of muslims are immigrants, or offspring of people who arrived barely a generation or two ago. Their sympathies and affiliations are often with their 'home' country at least as much as with this one. But either way, they are a religious/ethnic minority. Whether you approve of them being hear is your affair, but there is nothing forward thinking or progressive about multiculturalism.[/p][/quote]"A lot", "barely a generation or two", "often".... no facts, just vague opinions dressed up as facts. You present no statistics showing numbers of immigrants against numbers born here, just fall back on the old favourite "lots", and you can't possibly know where the majority of muslims' sympathies and affiliations lie, and it is disingenuous to assume that you can - particularly when it has pretty much nothing to do with the story being reported anyway. As for multiculturalism, I simply stated what I believe, unlike you who once again decided to parade your opinion as fact. Shoddy thinking and shoddy presentation of that thinking, with no real relevance to the story. Once again, it is a story about a group of people being adversely affected more proportionally by something that should have been advertised... like if the water was cut off at 3pm, pensioners would be angry they couldn't make a cuppa in time for Countdown (picture of pensioner with arms folded looking cross in front of a kettle)... pretty much every group in every report is a minority in some way, that's kind of the way news works, someone is affected by something, it gets reported. "Down with these cyclists, most people in Worcester drive cars", "Why report on this parents' group, I'm not a parent and neither are any of my friends", "Plum Festival? We're apple people around here I'll have you know"... it just smacks of little England and unnecessary knee jerk anger against a pretty minor story.[/p][/quote]You really think it's necessary to go throgh the whole history of muslim immigration to make any statement about it? The muslim councillor chose to make this a muslim story. That is why it's about muslims. You have stated your beliefs, I have stated mine. You gave no reasons to back yours up, yet you expect me to do so in support of mine. Basically, you seem to think multiculturalism is good, 'progressive' etc. I think you're entitled to that view, but I would question its validity. It is certainly a view trotted out as fact by those who believe it to be true. More Tea Vicar
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11:56am Tue 31 Jul 12

Robot 3021 says...

I stated my beliefs, you stated your beliefs presented as facts, it's a subtle difference, but quite an important one.

You can absolutely question the validity of a view that multiculturalism is a good thing, the distinction being that first time round you simply stated that "there is nothing forward thinking or progressive about multiculturalism".

Belief presented as fact.

I believe we are a nation pretty much founded on multiculturalism, our history and our language are testament to that, but it's just what I believe and choose to argue in response to calls for "immigrants" to "follow our Christian way of life".

I still think it has little to do with the story being discussed, but it's an interesting discussion when hyperbole and vague "truths" are removed from the equation.
I stated my beliefs, you stated your beliefs presented as facts, it's a subtle difference, but quite an important one. You can absolutely question the validity of a view that multiculturalism is a good thing, the distinction being that first time round you simply stated that "there is nothing forward thinking or progressive about multiculturalism". Belief presented as fact. I believe we are a nation pretty much founded on multiculturalism, our history and our language are testament to that, but it's just what I believe and choose to argue in response to calls for "immigrants" to "follow our Christian way of life". I still think it has little to do with the story being discussed, but it's an interesting discussion when hyperbole and vague "truths" are removed from the equation. Robot 3021
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12:14pm Tue 31 Jul 12

ushmush83 says...

Worcesterman wrote:
mauro balbino: You are a man standing tall.

If there were more and more people like you, the world would be a better place.

And less and less of people like CJH.

CJH, for your information, the Islamic World want the death of Christains and Jews, and nothing will stop them.
Hmmm, nice fact. Where did you get this very interesting fact from? Wasn't completely made up by any chance was it? Or did you read it in the Daily Mail or Sunday Express? Or perhaps a BNP website?
[quote][p][bold]Worcesterman[/bold] wrote: mauro balbino: You are a man standing tall. If there were more and more people like you, the world would be a better place. And less and less of people like CJH. CJH, for your information, the Islamic World want the death of Christains and Jews, and nothing will stop them.[/p][/quote]Hmmm, nice fact. Where did you get this very interesting fact from? Wasn't completely made up by any chance was it? Or did you read it in the Daily Mail or Sunday Express? Or perhaps a BNP website? ushmush83
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12:15pm Tue 31 Jul 12

ushmush83 says...

Hear, hear to lalala & Robot.
Hear, hear to lalala & Robot. ushmush83
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1:25pm Tue 31 Jul 12

More Tea Vicar says...

loginthelog wrote:
I cannot believe some of the comments on here. It is irrelavent that Muslims observing Ramadan were not able to access water for 45 minutes in the middle of the night. The point is that this work should not have been done without informing everyone that it would be taking place. If this had been done, then people would have been able to prepare for this and would not have panicked thinking that the water was going to be off for some time. Anyone, of any faith, would have been concerned, so all those here complaining that the Muslim population should shut up or go elsewhere should think how they would have felt if they found there was no water and they had no idea when it would be back on.
I know precisely how I feel when the water gets switched off. Irritated. I know how I prepare for it - by having a few bottles of mineral on hand, just in case.

I agree that anyone of any faith would be concerned.

The difference is that as far as I know the only people making this an issue about muslims are the muslim councillor and the WN journalist.

ST were right to do the work in the night, when it is unlikely to affect many people. They might have thought about warning people in the area.

But there is no reason why any particular notice should be paid to ramadan or any other religious event, really.
[quote][p][bold]loginthelog[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe some of the comments on here. It is irrelavent that Muslims observing Ramadan were not able to access water for 45 minutes in the middle of the night. The point is that this work should not have been done without informing everyone that it would be taking place. If this had been done, then people would have been able to prepare for this and would not have panicked thinking that the water was going to be off for some time. Anyone, of any faith, would have been concerned, so all those here complaining that the Muslim population should shut up or go elsewhere should think how they would have felt if they found there was no water and they had no idea when it would be back on.[/p][/quote]I know precisely how I feel when the water gets switched off. Irritated. I know how I prepare for it - by having a few bottles of mineral on hand, just in case. I agree that anyone of any faith would be concerned. The difference is that as far as I know the only people making this an issue about muslims are the muslim councillor and the WN journalist. ST were right to do the work in the night, when it is unlikely to affect many people. They might have thought about warning people in the area. But there is no reason why any particular notice should be paid to ramadan or any other religious event, really. More Tea Vicar
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1:30pm Tue 31 Jul 12

More Tea Vicar says...

Robot 3021 wrote:
I stated my beliefs, you stated your beliefs presented as facts, it's a subtle difference, but quite an important one. You can absolutely question the validity of a view that multiculturalism is a good thing, the distinction being that first time round you simply stated that "there is nothing forward thinking or progressive about multiculturalism". Belief presented as fact. I believe we are a nation pretty much founded on multiculturalism, our history and our language are testament to that, but it's just what I believe and choose to argue in response to calls for "immigrants" to "follow our Christian way of life". I still think it has little to do with the story being discussed, but it's an interesting discussion when hyperbole and vague "truths" are removed from the equation.
But you're presenting your beliefs as facts. You believe we are a nation founded on multiculturalism. Fair enough. But I believe (that better for you?. Does that enrich the debate?) that you could say that about pretty much any country and people.

It doesn't make our current multiculturalism necessarily right, good or inevitable, or 'progressive and tolerant'.

I don't recall anyone from the pro-immigration side questioning the 'facts' given to support mass immigration and multiculturalism, though.

More to the point, it doesn't have much to do with water cuts.
[quote][p][bold]Robot 3021[/bold] wrote: I stated my beliefs, you stated your beliefs presented as facts, it's a subtle difference, but quite an important one. You can absolutely question the validity of a view that multiculturalism is a good thing, the distinction being that first time round you simply stated that "there is nothing forward thinking or progressive about multiculturalism". Belief presented as fact. I believe we are a nation pretty much founded on multiculturalism, our history and our language are testament to that, but it's just what I believe and choose to argue in response to calls for "immigrants" to "follow our Christian way of life". I still think it has little to do with the story being discussed, but it's an interesting discussion when hyperbole and vague "truths" are removed from the equation.[/p][/quote]But you're presenting your beliefs as facts. You believe we are a nation founded on multiculturalism. Fair enough. But I believe (that better for you?. Does that enrich the debate?) that you could say that about pretty much any country and people. It doesn't make our current multiculturalism necessarily right, good or inevitable, or 'progressive and tolerant'. I don't recall anyone from the pro-immigration side questioning the 'facts' given to support mass immigration and multiculturalism, though. More to the point, it doesn't have much to do with water cuts. More Tea Vicar
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1:33pm Tue 31 Jul 12

lotusfaery says...

lalala24 wrote:
What a bunch of ridiculous comments. I hope for a day when people aren’t described by their religion, colour or sexual preference. We are all humans, we all partake in different activities, but we are all the same. The majority of comments, like the article itself, are creating a divide - what is the point? If it had been on old lady, referred to as an OAP no one would have said a word. It’s 2012 for goodness sake!! Muslims, Seeks, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Jehovah’s Witnesses etc have all been living together for many years now, it’s not a new thing so just shut up and call people people because that is what we ALL are!!!!
Hear hear, Lalala24. Couldn't have put it better myself! Yes, in addition to my post all the way up there ^ - I totally standby way Lalala is saying. Yes, shut up and stop being so bigoted, prejudice, small minded, narrow minded and, as it appears by many, a little uneducated on the actual facts. I can't believe a story showing the incompetence of Severn Trent to inform it's rate paying customers of a distruption to their supply, thus not allowing for sufficient preparation, has come to this argument, and this amount of vindictive, hatebreeding comments! It doesn't matter what time it was off, or for how long for, it is the principle of the matter. And, for those making sly 'joke' comments about not being able to have a cup of tea. Well, the fact here is that a lot of people could hold off for an hour yes,... but not the residents who were muslim. They only have a short period of time when they can cook their main meal of the day and consume it. I can't believe the lack of awareness and belligerence of some of these readers! As lalala said WE ARE ALL HUMANS... by dehumanising, or segregating another human as 'an other' .. we are getting into very dangerous ground. For one, that is one way the holocaust happened. And as for the arguments on immigration, just do your own DNA genetic history, the majority of people in the UK are immigrants to some degree, look at the anglo-saxons and the vikings for instance. The only differing factor here is years and time in history. I'm even more shocked and appauled at the comments that followed mine, than I was when I initially posted. SHAME ON YOU!
[quote][p][bold]lalala24[/bold] wrote: What a bunch of ridiculous comments. I hope for a day when people aren’t described by their religion, colour or sexual preference. We are all humans, we all partake in different activities, but we are all the same. The majority of comments, like the article itself, are creating a divide - what is the point? If it had been on old lady, referred to as an OAP no one would have said a word. It’s 2012 for goodness sake!! Muslims, Seeks, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Jehovah’s Witnesses etc have all been living together for many years now, it’s not a new thing so just shut up and call people people because that is what we ALL are!!!![/p][/quote]Hear hear, Lalala24. Couldn't have put it better myself! Yes, in addition to my post all the way up there ^ - I totally standby way Lalala is saying. Yes, shut up and stop being so bigoted, prejudice, small minded, narrow minded and, as it appears by many, a little uneducated on the actual facts. I can't believe a story showing the incompetence of Severn Trent to inform it's rate paying customers of a distruption to their supply, thus not allowing for sufficient preparation, has come to this argument, and this amount of vindictive, hatebreeding comments! It doesn't matter what time it was off, or for how long for, it is the principle of the matter. And, for those making sly 'joke' comments about not being able to have a cup of tea. Well, the fact here is that a lot of people could hold off for an hour yes,... but not the residents who were muslim. They only have a short period of time when they can cook their main meal of the day and consume it. I can't believe the lack of awareness and belligerence of some of these readers! As lalala said WE ARE ALL HUMANS... by dehumanising, or segregating another human as 'an other' .. we are getting into very dangerous ground. For one, that is one way the holocaust happened. And as for the arguments on immigration, just do your own DNA genetic history, the majority of people in the UK are immigrants to some degree, look at the anglo-saxons and the vikings for instance. The only differing factor here is years and time in history. I'm even more shocked and appauled at the comments that followed mine, than I was when I initially posted. SHAME ON YOU! lotusfaery
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1:34pm Tue 31 Jul 12

More Tea Vicar says...

bob holloway wrote:
What a load of racial rubbish,a storm in a teacup.With that in mind do what we ALWAYS do ,leave the kettle filled up. Make a pot of tea and stop whinging.
Well said.

Though the story in general, and the picture of the councillor looking surly and posing with the water botle and taps is hilarious.
[quote][p][bold]bob holloway[/bold] wrote: What a load of racial rubbish,a storm in a teacup.With that in mind do what we ALWAYS do ,leave the kettle filled up. Make a pot of tea and stop whinging.[/p][/quote]Well said. Though the story in general, and the picture of the councillor looking surly and posing with the water botle and taps is hilarious. More Tea Vicar
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3:49pm Tue 31 Jul 12

jovialcommonsense says...

It would be interesting to hear Councillor Riaz's views on these postings. Has highlighting this issue gained the response he was hoping for, or not?
Also, where was the photo taken as there appears to be no other furnishings or kitchen accoutrements in sight.
It would be interesting to hear Councillor Riaz's views on these postings. Has highlighting this issue gained the response he was hoping for, or not? Also, where was the photo taken as there appears to be no other furnishings or kitchen accoutrements in sight. jovialcommonsense
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3:59pm Tue 31 Jul 12

mayall8808 says...

After reading some of the comments here GET A LIFE the water was only off for a short time in the middle of the night and it isnt life threatning is it?
WN;;; it just shows how bad the reporting has got if this is the best you can do.
After reading some of the comments here GET A LIFE the water was only off for a short time in the middle of the night and it isnt life threatning is it? WN;;; it just shows how bad the reporting has got if this is the best you can do. mayall8808
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4:06pm Tue 31 Jul 12

Ted Elgar says...

It's a cultural and religious issue; not a racial issue, despite how much some of you worms want it to be one.
How would it be if someone cut the gas off on Christmas day?
Bit cold right?
It's a cultural and religious issue; not a racial issue, despite how much some of you worms want it to be one. How would it be if someone cut the gas off on Christmas day? Bit cold right? Ted Elgar
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6:07pm Tue 31 Jul 12

SgtAl says...

Apologies in advance, I felt compelled to offer my tuppence worth here.

Let us look at the facts; the water was switched off in order to facilitate a necessary repair. The water was switched off at a time deemed to be the least disruptive to the majority of the population.

Would a better time have been 0730?

Why are we still talking about this?
Apologies in advance, I felt compelled to offer my tuppence worth here. Let us look at the facts; the water was switched off in order to facilitate a necessary repair. The water was switched off at a time deemed to be the least disruptive to the majority of the population. Would a better time have been 0730? Why are we still talking about this? SgtAl
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6:29pm Tue 31 Jul 12

pinkfluff says...

lotusfaery wrote:
lalala24 wrote:
What a bunch of ridiculous comments. I hope for a day when people aren’t described by their religion, colour or sexual preference. We are all humans, we all partake in different activities, but we are all the same. The majority of comments, like the article itself, are creating a divide - what is the point? If it had been on old lady, referred to as an OAP no one would have said a word. It’s 2012 for goodness sake!! Muslims, Seeks, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Jehovah’s Witnesses etc have all been living together for many years now, it’s not a new thing so just shut up and call people people because that is what we ALL are!!!!
Hear hear, Lalala24. Couldn't have put it better myself! Yes, in addition to my post all the way up there ^ - I totally standby way Lalala is saying. Yes, shut up and stop being so bigoted, prejudice, small minded, narrow minded and, as it appears by many, a little uneducated on the actual facts. I can't believe a story showing the incompetence of Severn Trent to inform it's rate paying customers of a distruption to their supply, thus not allowing for sufficient preparation, has come to this argument, and this amount of vindictive, hatebreeding comments! It doesn't matter what time it was off, or for how long for, it is the principle of the matter. And, for those making sly 'joke' comments about not being able to have a cup of tea. Well, the fact here is that a lot of people could hold off for an hour yes,... but not the residents who were muslim. They only have a short period of time when they can cook their main meal of the day and consume it. I can't believe the lack of awareness and belligerence of some of these readers! As lalala said WE ARE ALL HUMANS... by dehumanising, or segregating another human as 'an other' .. we are getting into very dangerous ground. For one, that is one way the holocaust happened. And as for the arguments on immigration, just do your own DNA genetic history, the majority of people in the UK are immigrants to some degree, look at the anglo-saxons and the vikings for instance. The only differing factor here is years and time in history. I'm even more shocked and appauled at the comments that followed mine, than I was when I initially posted. SHAME ON YOU!
pinkfluff likes this ^......a little ray of sunshine in my WN comments life
[quote][p][bold]lotusfaery[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lalala24[/bold] wrote: What a bunch of ridiculous comments. I hope for a day when people aren’t described by their religion, colour or sexual preference. We are all humans, we all partake in different activities, but we are all the same. The majority of comments, like the article itself, are creating a divide - what is the point? If it had been on old lady, referred to as an OAP no one would have said a word. It’s 2012 for goodness sake!! Muslims, Seeks, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Jehovah’s Witnesses etc have all been living together for many years now, it’s not a new thing so just shut up and call people people because that is what we ALL are!!!![/p][/quote]Hear hear, Lalala24. Couldn't have put it better myself! Yes, in addition to my post all the way up there ^ - I totally standby way Lalala is saying. Yes, shut up and stop being so bigoted, prejudice, small minded, narrow minded and, as it appears by many, a little uneducated on the actual facts. I can't believe a story showing the incompetence of Severn Trent to inform it's rate paying customers of a distruption to their supply, thus not allowing for sufficient preparation, has come to this argument, and this amount of vindictive, hatebreeding comments! It doesn't matter what time it was off, or for how long for, it is the principle of the matter. And, for those making sly 'joke' comments about not being able to have a cup of tea. Well, the fact here is that a lot of people could hold off for an hour yes,... but not the residents who were muslim. They only have a short period of time when they can cook their main meal of the day and consume it. I can't believe the lack of awareness and belligerence of some of these readers! As lalala said WE ARE ALL HUMANS... by dehumanising, or segregating another human as 'an other' .. we are getting into very dangerous ground. For one, that is one way the holocaust happened. And as for the arguments on immigration, just do your own DNA genetic history, the majority of people in the UK are immigrants to some degree, look at the anglo-saxons and the vikings for instance. The only differing factor here is years and time in history. I'm even more shocked and appauled at the comments that followed mine, than I was when I initially posted. SHAME ON YOU![/p][/quote]pinkfluff likes this ^......a little ray of sunshine in my WN comments life pinkfluff
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7:48pm Tue 31 Jul 12

Keith B says...

My mate Khurram - born Bradford of Pakistani parents, speaks with a Yorkshire accent plus but can also speak four South Asian languages - loves the debate on here. He lives in Surrey so I got him to log on to this "debate".

He wonders if the Councillor who created this nonsense story is a secret agent for the BNP, as this type of story does more harm to the Asian background community than any march or demonstration by the EDL.

He accepts the differences in people and celebrates them. He doesn't want us all to be integrated, he doesn't want his daughter to marry a non-muslim, he believes Britain would and will be a better place when Muslims are the majority - he recons about 125 years.

My friend Chandra, (born Sri Lanka but speaks like he went to Eton) who married a Scottish lady and has no religion, is delighted to be a Grandfather twice over - once by a son who married a Asian girl and another by a son whose baby has been born outside marriage and I must admit I can't work out what colour the baby is because the mother is a massive mixture herself.

I'm a pretty bigotted white guy with views that Tony Blair encouraged immigration in order to get future votes for New Labour, think that further immigration should be stopped and that we should remove many of the non-indiginous arrivals - particularly from EU countries.

We three friends have great debates about things but remain friends. We are just guys together with family and interests like anyone else - and we all bracket other communities (often critically) in terms of colour, religion but most of all by the football Club they support.

So how hateful is it to ask a Manchester United fan how to get a champagne cork back in the bottle?
My mate Khurram - born Bradford of Pakistani parents, speaks with a Yorkshire accent plus but can also speak four South Asian languages - loves the debate on here. He lives in Surrey so I got him to log on to this "debate". He wonders if the Councillor who created this nonsense story is a secret agent for the BNP, as this type of story does more harm to the Asian background community than any march or demonstration by the EDL. He accepts the differences in people and celebrates them. He doesn't want us all to be integrated, he doesn't want his daughter to marry a non-muslim, he believes Britain would and will be a better place when Muslims are the majority - he recons about 125 years. My friend Chandra, (born Sri Lanka but speaks like he went to Eton) who married a Scottish lady and has no religion, is delighted to be a Grandfather twice over - once by a son who married a Asian girl and another by a son whose baby has been born outside marriage and I must admit I can't work out what colour the baby is because the mother is a massive mixture herself. I'm a pretty bigotted white guy with views that Tony Blair encouraged immigration in order to get future votes for New Labour, think that further immigration should be stopped and that we should remove many of the non-indiginous arrivals - particularly from EU countries. We three friends have great debates about things but remain friends. We are just guys together with family and interests like anyone else - and we all bracket other communities (often critically) in terms of colour, religion but most of all by the football Club they support. So how hateful is it to ask a Manchester United fan how to get a champagne cork back in the bottle? Keith B
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10:51pm Tue 31 Jul 12

mijas4@live.com says...

The reaction to this article just shows what people wont admit. The majority of People in this country do not like the way muslims live their lives and find them at odds with the British way of life and when they get on their soap box claiming great injustices it really alienates the majority. They were without water for 45 minutes, show a bit of British grit and deal with it.
The reaction to this article just shows what people wont admit. The majority of People in this country do not like the way muslims live their lives and find them at odds with the British way of life and when they get on their soap box claiming great injustices it really alienates the majority. They were without water for 45 minutes, show a bit of British grit and deal with it. mijas4@live.com
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11:50pm Tue 31 Jul 12

Biggles says...

mijas4@live.com wrote:
The reaction to this article just shows what people wont admit. The majority of People in this country do not like the way muslims live their lives and find them at odds with the British way of life and when they get on their soap box claiming great injustices it really alienates the majority. They were without water for 45 minutes, show a bit of British grit and deal with it.
Brilliant post, sums it all up nicely
[quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: The reaction to this article just shows what people wont admit. The majority of People in this country do not like the way muslims live their lives and find them at odds with the British way of life and when they get on their soap box claiming great injustices it really alienates the majority. They were without water for 45 minutes, show a bit of British grit and deal with it.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post, sums it all up nicely Biggles
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7:10am Wed 1 Aug 12

mauro balbino says...

Biggles wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
The reaction to this article just shows what people wont admit. The majority of People in this country do not like the way muslims live their lives and find them at odds with the British way of life and when they get on their soap box claiming great injustices it really alienates the majority. They were without water for 45 minutes, show a bit of British grit and deal with it.
Brilliant post, sums it all up nicely
I totally agree. Good Wednesday for us all ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: The reaction to this article just shows what people wont admit. The majority of People in this country do not like the way muslims live their lives and find them at odds with the British way of life and when they get on their soap box claiming great injustices it really alienates the majority. They were without water for 45 minutes, show a bit of British grit and deal with it.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post, sums it all up nicely[/p][/quote]I totally agree. Good Wednesday for us all ;-) mauro balbino
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9:19am Wed 1 Aug 12

ideas4all says...

Maura don't say things just to integrate u urself are a immigrant the racists don't care about ur pathetic story or ur background they don't believe you belong here so stop sucking up too much
Maura don't say things just to integrate u urself are a immigrant the racists don't care about ur pathetic story or ur background they don't believe you belong here so stop sucking up too much ideas4all
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9:21am Wed 1 Aug 12

lalala24 says...

mijas4@live.com wrote:
The reaction to this article just shows what people wont admit. The majority of People in this country do not like the way muslims live their lives and find them at odds with the British way of life and when they get on their soap box claiming great injustices it really alienates the majority. They were without water for 45 minutes, show a bit of British grit and deal with it.
Not the majority, a couple of people on the Worcester New Website. A tiny little fraction of the population of this country, probably no more than 20 people - you do come out with the most outrageous statements!!!
[quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: The reaction to this article just shows what people wont admit. The majority of People in this country do not like the way muslims live their lives and find them at odds with the British way of life and when they get on their soap box claiming great injustices it really alienates the majority. They were without water for 45 minutes, show a bit of British grit and deal with it.[/p][/quote]Not the majority, a couple of people on the Worcester New Website. A tiny little fraction of the population of this country, probably no more than 20 people - you do come out with the most outrageous statements!!! lalala24
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10:34am Wed 1 Aug 12

mijas4@live.com says...

lalala I think that making the claim that there are only 20 People out of 70 million is outrageous. Suggest you think about it again.

If you point is more about my observation then I dont see what I have said that is so outrageous.

It is not racist to express an opinion that you find some of the cultural practices abhorrent. We dont have to accept everything People just because it is part of their culture or religion.

Otherwise we would still be hanging people, burning them at the stake, have never abolished slavery or given women the vote ....
lalala I think that making the claim that there are only 20 People out of 70 million is outrageous. Suggest you think about it again. If you point is more about my observation then I dont see what I have said that is so outrageous. It is not racist to express an opinion that you find some of the cultural practices abhorrent. We dont have to accept everything People just because it is part of their culture or religion. Otherwise we would still be hanging people, burning them at the stake, have never abolished slavery or given women the vote .... mijas4@live.com
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11:49am Wed 1 Aug 12

lalala24 says...

mijas4@live.com wrote:
lalala I think that making the claim that there are only 20 People out of 70 million is outrageous. Suggest you think about it again.

If you point is more about my observation then I dont see what I have said that is so outrageous.

It is not racist to express an opinion that you find some of the cultural practices abhorrent. We dont have to accept everything People just because it is part of their culture or religion.

Otherwise we would still be hanging people, burning them at the stake, have never abolished slavery or given women the vote ....
You said 'the reaction to this article shows what people won’t admit' just because people in this article react a certain way doesn’t mean the majority of people in this country dislike the way Muslims live their lives. That is an outrageous thing to say. You can’t say 'the majority' as you do not have a clue what the majority of people think, the majority of people in fact don’t care what other people do, it's only people like you that do! I never mentioned the word racist.....that was all you. You can think what you like about who you like, I'm simply saying that you can’t say the majority of people don’t like the way Muslims behave in this country because that is a ludicrous suggestion.
[quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: lalala I think that making the claim that there are only 20 People out of 70 million is outrageous. Suggest you think about it again. If you point is more about my observation then I dont see what I have said that is so outrageous. It is not racist to express an opinion that you find some of the cultural practices abhorrent. We dont have to accept everything People just because it is part of their culture or religion. Otherwise we would still be hanging people, burning them at the stake, have never abolished slavery or given women the vote ....[/p][/quote]You said 'the reaction to this article shows what people won’t admit' just because people in this article react a certain way doesn’t mean the majority of people in this country dislike the way Muslims live their lives. That is an outrageous thing to say. You can’t say 'the majority' as you do not have a clue what the majority of people think, the majority of people in fact don’t care what other people do, it's only people like you that do! I never mentioned the word racist.....that was all you. You can think what you like about who you like, I'm simply saying that you can’t say the majority of people don’t like the way Muslims behave in this country because that is a ludicrous suggestion. lalala24
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12:15pm Wed 1 Aug 12

ushmush83 says...

mauro balbino wrote:
Biggles wrote:
mijas4@live.com wrote:
The reaction to this article just shows what people wont admit. The majority of People in this country do not like the way muslims live their lives and find them at odds with the British way of life and when they get on their soap box claiming great injustices it really alienates the majority. They were without water for 45 minutes, show a bit of British grit and deal with it.
Brilliant post, sums it all up nicely
I totally agree. Good Wednesday for us all ;-)
Hmmm, quite shocked by these comments. I have no idea why you would not like the way muslims live their lives, or why this way of life would be at odds with the British way of life. In fact, I would argue that the intolerance shown by you three commentors is against the British way of life. The British way of life that Danny Boyle was getting at. The way of life that everyone I know lovingly accepts and are awfully proud of. I am proud to be British. The only time I am not proud is when I come across persons such as yourselves.
[quote][p][bold]mauro balbino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mijas4@live.com[/bold] wrote: The reaction to this article just shows what people wont admit. The majority of People in this country do not like the way muslims live their lives and find them at odds with the British way of life and when they get on their soap box claiming great injustices it really alienates the majority. They were without water for 45 minutes, show a bit of British grit and deal with it.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post, sums it all up nicely[/p][/quote]I totally agree. Good Wednesday for us all ;-)[/p][/quote]Hmmm, quite shocked by these comments. I have no idea why you would not like the way muslims live their lives, or why this way of life would be at odds with the British way of life. In fact, I would argue that the intolerance shown by you three commentors is against the British way of life. The British way of life that Danny Boyle was getting at. The way of life that everyone I know lovingly accepts and are awfully proud of. I am proud to be British. The only time I am not proud is when I come across persons such as yourselves. ushmush83
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1:30pm Wed 1 Aug 12

clubber2000 says...

What a non story we have here? Some muslims were without water at 2am for 45mins, so they called a muslim councillar instead of the water authorityto complain, wonder how many of our english councillers would answer the phone at 2am because we had no water?
What a non story we have here? Some muslims were without water at 2am for 45mins, so they called a muslim councillar instead of the water authorityto complain, wonder how many of our english councillers would answer the phone at 2am because we had no water? clubber2000
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1:45pm Wed 1 Aug 12

Ted Elgar says...

@ Keith B.
Indigenous? What you mean like the Anglo-Saxons? Oh hang on, no; they arrived in the Dark Ages.. which is apparently where a few of the commentators on this thread originated.
@ Keith B. Indigenous? What you mean like the Anglo-Saxons? Oh hang on, no; they arrived in the Dark Ages.. which is apparently where a few of the commentators on this thread originated. Ted Elgar
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1:56pm Wed 1 Aug 12

mauro balbino says...

ideas4all wrote:
Maura don't say things just to integrate u urself are a immigrant the racists don't care about ur pathetic story or ur background they don't believe you belong here so stop sucking up too much
By both expressions "pathetic story" & "stop sucking", what should I imply?
An insult? Or vulgar rudeness?
And after your comment is hard to say anything else. That`s my final word.
It is not the trend of the article anymore...
[quote][p][bold]ideas4all[/bold] wrote: Maura don't say things just to integrate u urself are a immigrant the racists don't care about ur pathetic story or ur background they don't believe you belong here so stop sucking up too much[/p][/quote]By both expressions "pathetic story" & "stop sucking", what should I imply? An insult? Or vulgar rudeness? And after your comment is hard to say anything else. That`s my final word. It is not the trend of the article anymore... mauro balbino
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2:59pm Wed 1 Aug 12

Keith B says...

Indigenous are people who are from (born in) the country in which they reside. Their colour or religion doesn't matter - the fact that they are educated and cultured in the Country helps makes them part of a society with values that are accepted by most people, with a common language and who share a patch of land.

However, the guys who carried out 7/7 (and incidentally targeted me at my workplace before they chose to do the London Transport system instead) were indigenous to Britain - they clearly did not have the same life values that most of us have. But despite their ancestry, they were indigenous.

Eastern Europeans who have arrived in UK as part of the effort to integrate the whole of Europe into a single political structure, although mainly white, are not indigenous - but if they settle here and have children, those children will be - as are, for example, the decendents of the Polish people who came in 1939 and 1940 and stayed.

There isn't an answer to this debate - there are just different opinions (see the 111 responses above)
Indigenous are people who are from (born in) the country in which they reside. Their colour or religion doesn't matter - the fact that they are educated and cultured in the Country helps makes them part of a society with values that are accepted by most people, with a common language and who share a patch of land. However, the guys who carried out 7/7 (and incidentally targeted me at my workplace before they chose to do the London Transport system instead) were indigenous to Britain - they clearly did not have the same life values that most of us have. But despite their ancestry, they were indigenous. Eastern Europeans who have arrived in UK as part of the effort to integrate the whole of Europe into a single political structure, although mainly white, are not indigenous - but if they settle here and have children, those children will be - as are, for example, the decendents of the Polish people who came in 1939 and 1940 and stayed. There isn't an answer to this debate - there are just different opinions (see the 111 responses above) Keith B
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3:14pm Wed 1 Aug 12

More Tea Vicar says...

pinkfluff wrote:
lotusfaery wrote:
lalala24 wrote: What a bunch of ridiculous comments. I hope for a day when people aren’t described by their religion, colour or sexual preference. We are all humans, we all partake in different activities, but we are all the same. The majority of comments, like the article itself, are creating a divide - what is the point? If it had been on old lady, referred to as an OAP no one would have said a word. It’s 2012 for goodness sake!! Muslims, Seeks, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Jehovah’s Witnesses etc have all been living together for many years now, it’s not a new thing so just shut up and call people people because that is what we ALL are!!!!
Hear hear, Lalala24. Couldn't have put it better myself! Yes, in addition to my post all the way up there ^ - I totally standby way Lalala is saying. Yes, shut up and stop being so bigoted, prejudice, small minded, narrow minded and, as it appears by many, a little uneducated on the actual facts. I can't believe a story showing the incompetence of Severn Trent to inform it's rate paying customers of a distruption to their supply, thus not allowing for sufficient preparation, has come to this argument, and this amount of vindictive, hatebreeding comments! It doesn't matter what time it was off, or for how long for, it is the principle of the matter. And, for those making sly 'joke' comments about not being able to have a cup of tea. Well, the fact here is that a lot of people could hold off for an hour yes,... but not the residents who were muslim. They only have a short period of time when they can cook their main meal of the day and consume it. I can't believe the lack of awareness and belligerence of some of these readers! As lalala said WE ARE ALL HUMANS... by dehumanising, or segregating another human as 'an other' .. we are getting into very dangerous ground. For one, that is one way the holocaust happened. And as for the arguments on immigration, just do your own DNA genetic history, the majority of people in the UK are immigrants to some degree, look at the anglo-saxons and the vikings for instance. The only differing factor here is years and time in history. I'm even more shocked and appauled at the comments that followed mine, than I was when I initially posted. SHAME ON YOU!
pinkfluff likes this ^......a little ray of sunshine in my WN comments life
You're overlooking the fact that the muslim councillor and the WN chose to emphasise the muslim aspect of the story.

This is basically a non-story, which could have been nipped in the bud if the people concerned had had the common sense to have a few bottles of water in the house.
[quote][p][bold]pinkfluff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lotusfaery[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lalala24[/bold] wrote: What a bunch of ridiculous comments. I hope for a day when people aren’t described by their religion, colour or sexual preference. We are all humans, we all partake in different activities, but we are all the same. The majority of comments, like the article itself, are creating a divide - what is the point? If it had been on old lady, referred to as an OAP no one would have said a word. It’s 2012 for goodness sake!! Muslims, Seeks, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Jehovah’s Witnesses etc have all been living together for many years now, it’s not a new thing so just shut up and call people people because that is what we ALL are!!!![/p][/quote]Hear hear, Lalala24. Couldn't have put it better myself! Yes, in addition to my post all the way up there ^ - I totally standby way Lalala is saying. Yes, shut up and stop being so bigoted, prejudice, small minded, narrow minded and, as it appears by many, a little uneducated on the actual facts. I can't believe a story showing the incompetence of Severn Trent to inform it's rate paying customers of a distruption to their supply, thus not allowing for sufficient preparation, has come to this argument, and this amount of vindictive, hatebreeding comments! It doesn't matter what time it was off, or for how long for, it is the principle of the matter. And, for those making sly 'joke' comments about not being able to have a cup of tea. Well, the fact here is that a lot of people could hold off for an hour yes,... but not the residents who were muslim. They only have a short period of time when they can cook their main meal of the day and consume it. I can't believe the lack of awareness and belligerence of some of these readers! As lalala said WE ARE ALL HUMANS... by dehumanising, or segregating another human as 'an other' .. we are getting into very dangerous ground. For one, that is one way the holocaust happened. And as for the arguments on immigration, just do your own DNA genetic history, the majority of people in the UK are immigrants to some degree, look at the anglo-saxons and the vikings for instance. The only differing factor here is years and time in history. I'm even more shocked and appauled at the comments that followed mine, than I was when I initially posted. SHAME ON YOU![/p][/quote]pinkfluff likes this ^......a little ray of sunshine in my WN comments life[/p][/quote]You're overlooking the fact that the muslim councillor and the WN chose to emphasise the muslim aspect of the story. This is basically a non-story, which could have been nipped in the bud if the people concerned had had the common sense to have a few bottles of water in the house. More Tea Vicar
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5:33pm Wed 1 Aug 12

Ted Elgar says...

Indigenous is a word very often used by Nick Griffin and the BNP.
'Indigenous people' are widely understood to be the people who originally inhabited a place, not people who have moved somewhere; for example the bush people of South Africa, or the Aborigines in Australia, not people who were born there; e.g. white Australians.
When used to describe species we often talk of "indigenous species" and "invasive species" (e.g. muntjac deer).
Maybe you have misunderstood the underlying semantics here?
Indigenous is a word very often used by Nick Griffin and the BNP. 'Indigenous people' are widely understood to be the people who originally inhabited a place, not people who have moved somewhere; for example the bush people of South Africa, or the Aborigines in Australia, not people who were born there; e.g. white Australians. When used to describe species we often talk of "indigenous species" and "invasive species" (e.g. muntjac deer). Maybe you have misunderstood the underlying semantics here? Ted Elgar
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11:35pm Wed 1 Aug 12

dubya_ says...

So because a nation has a majority Christian observance, a Muslim cannot complain about not getting necessities when they haven't eaten/ drank all day? How is that the appropriate action from a free, democratic nation, then make rhetoric out of vicious theocratic regimes? THEN, be the first to defend from the 'threat' (lets not go into that) to democracy an action of the EU Court of Human Rights & Co. makes.

Hypocrisy, at it's worse...
So because a nation has a majority Christian observance, a Muslim cannot complain about not getting necessities when they haven't eaten/ drank all day? How is that the appropriate action from a free, democratic nation, then make rhetoric out of vicious theocratic regimes? THEN, be the first to defend from the 'threat' (lets not go into that) to democracy an action of the EU Court of Human Rights & Co. makes. Hypocrisy, at it's worse... dubya_
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11:53pm Wed 1 Aug 12

mijas4@live.com says...

It was their choice not to eat and drink all day. The remedy to their predicament wasn't that difficult they just had to go to the Tescos or change their eating plan.

Why should Severn Trent have to think about every possible action that an individual might take.

This Councillor played the Muslim card because at the end of the day he would not have had a story otherwise.

Yes anyone can complain but why bring your religion into it.

He started the debate and I hope he is really pleased with the outcome.
It was their choice not to eat and drink all day. The remedy to their predicament wasn't that difficult they just had to go to the Tescos or change their eating plan. Why should Severn Trent have to think about every possible action that an individual might take. This Councillor played the Muslim card because at the end of the day he would not have had a story otherwise. Yes anyone can complain but why bring your religion into it. He started the debate and I hope he is really pleased with the outcome. mijas4@live.com
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