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Egotistical Peers
I am not an Islamic scholar but I am a Muslim and along with many other millions of Muslims are fed-up with having to explain about marches to non-Muslims.
Let me tell you this - when you allow marches like this to take place it costs the British taxpayer tens of thousands of pounds.
I'm not saying marches of a religious significance are wrong. But I have been at some events where it is claimed they are marching for the Prophet's birthday but give more prominence to their own Peer saabs.
Is it right to give these people a demi-god like status?
Now I, and many ordinary Muslims are being tarnished by these people and disagree with this portrayal of Islam. We are supposed to be tolerant and peace loving humans who follow in the way of the prophet Mohammed(pbuh) and set an example to others in how to live life.
Yes, we are not all perfect but you should go back to the basics and talk about the Prophet(pbuh) and his actions. Some of these self elected egotistical Peer Saabs' get paid and ferried around by their followers.
We should love thy neighbour, pay our taxes, and help the poor not spend countless thousands on food at the mosques when there is little to celebrate.
We have today due to Allah's blessings access to books and the internet, we do not need to be listening to tales told through uneducated representatives of Islam.
I do agree there are those amongst us blessed with special skills, which we can seek advice from but it is the almighty Allah who we should be seeking help from not these Peers.
Now we are in the 21st Century people should grow up and adhere to the laws of Britain and work with the whole community in raising awareness of Islam in a positive way.
9:34am Tuesday 24th June 2008
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CommentPosted by: Muslim, Truth on 10:44am Tue 24 Jun 08
Totally agree!!!
What is it with these peer saab's with green turbans? Have they been shipped in from Ireland or something?
Totally agree!!!
What is it with these peer saab's with green turbans? Have they been shipped in from Ireland or something?
Posted by: Khalil on 12:40pm Tue 24 Jun 08
About time brailwi's were put in their place. There is no religous foundation for these actions. The police should not bear the cost but the mosques who agree to this.
About time brailwi's were put in their place. There is no religous foundation for these actions. The police should not bear the cost but the mosques who agree to this.
Posted by: Imran Khan, London on 3:20pm Tue 24 Jun 08
These Sufi-Deobandi/ Brelwis are always taking financial advantage under the pretense of religion when their actions have nothing to do with Islam to begin with.
They're taking advantage of governmental schemes; and the poor police can't tell the difference so they, and thus, we the tax payers, have to suffer.
These Sufi-Deobandi/ Brelwis are always taking financial advantage under the pretense of religion when their actions have nothing to do with Islam to begin with.
They're taking advantage of governmental schemes; and the poor police can't tell the difference so they, and thus, we the tax payers, have to suffer.
Posted by: ali, blackburn on 5:35pm Tue 24 Jun 08
people have accepted islam by seeing these marches and joining the. sunnis zindabad long live the sunnis. we pay tax so we can go and do what we lyk k [bold]bold[/bold]
people have accepted islam by seeing these marches and joining the. sunnis zindabad long live the sunnis. we pay tax so we can go and do what we lyk k
Posted by: Mohammed, Nelson on 11:19pm Tue 24 Jun 08
[bold]bold[/bold] Please can this exert be removed. It is politically motivated and counter-productive in promoting peace and harmony.
Thanks[quote]quote[/quote]
Please can this exert be removed. It is politically motivated and counter-productive in promoting peace and harmony.
Thanks
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Posted by: Tee, Bolton on 9:19am Wed 25 Jun 08
I find it disgusting that Ziggy should stoop to such levels.
So what if people want to march? I think there are more important things for Ziggy to talk about.
I find it disgusting that Ziggy should stoop to such levels.
So what if people want to march? I think there are more important things for Ziggy to talk about.
Posted by: mohammed ahmed, herts on 9:51am Wed 25 Jun 08
Firstly, he and millions of fellow muslims are fed up of these marches? well has he not seen the turnout at such events? i think the majority of muslims in the uk are ahle sunnat wal jamaat the sawaad e azam. Have you ever contributed to such an event? if you havent., what has it to do with you? by the way, barelvi, is the name of a scholar in the 20th century who taught the truth, it is not firqa as you make it sound like, it was used to distinguish from people who call themselves ahle sunnah but have the beliefs of the kharjis. has any peer asked you for money??? and making the birthday of the holy prophet such an insignificant even, lets ask you, who is the holy prophet? people with youyr beliefs say he should be respected as an older brother, no more, well let me ask you to say, you are like your dad, you cant even say that, so how can the highest of high, the leader of the prophets, the mercy of the universe be equal to your older brother. and then you start crying when we call you wahabbi, well that is the name of the person who started these beliefs people like you are preaching since the last 200 years, we have proof of the march of meelad in historic books, in the last 1400 years, 300 years ago, before your vile beliefs were even started, there is an image available which has napolean of france attending a meelad march in cairo, it is in books, and can be shown to prove that this belief in having a march, expressing happiness on the meelad is older than the new innovations your leaders have brought, the wahabbies have made muslims a target in the uk, by preaching hate, i dont see you writing an article condemning those wahabbies trying to kill innocent people here, and also the grand mufti of saudi arabia, we have a recording of him saying that the prophets green dome should be destroyed as it is a big idol??? look my friend, if you want to sit down, and discuss this, we are willing to travel anywhere, at anytime and prove our beliefs, we have proof from authentic books, the quran and the hadith and then we will see how much you have to say for yourselves, the likes of your people where the people where whom joined hands with the hindus against the making of pakistan, and now, they think they are all mr pakistan in parliament, the sufis, the awliyas have done more for islam then any other scholar, if it wasnt for khawaja moinuddin chishty, sultan ul hind of ajmer, you probably would have been a hindu, someone who converted 9 million people to islam by what??? in the harshest of states of india, go to rajasthan in india, and you will see how the people are, and they done this 800 years ago, it is difficult to get 9 milllion people together now in 2008 with all forms of traffic, and they done that back then, how, they done it because they were a man of god, teacing the ahle sunnah aqeeda, celebrating meelad etc
Firstly, he and millions of fellow muslims are fed up of these marches? well has he not seen the turnout at such events? i think the majority of muslims in the uk are ahle sunnat wal jamaat the sawaad e azam. Have you ever contributed to such an event? if you havent., what has it to do with you? by the way, barelvi, is the name of a scholar in the 20th century who taught the truth, it is not firqa as you make it sound like, it was used to distinguish from people who call themselves ahle sunnah but have the beliefs of the kharjis. has any peer asked you for money??? and making the birthday of the holy prophet such an insignificant even, lets ask you, who is the holy prophet? people with youyr beliefs say he should be respected as an older brother, no more, well let me ask you to say, you are like your dad, you cant even say that, so how can the highest of high, the leader of the prophets, the mercy of the universe be equal to your older brother. and then you start crying when we call you wahabbi, well that is the name of the person who started these beliefs people like you are preaching since the last 200 years, we have proof of the march of meelad in historic books, in the last 1400 years, 300 years ago, before your vile beliefs were even started, there is an image available which has napolean of france attending a meelad march in cairo, it is in books, and can be shown to prove that this belief in having a march, expressing happiness on the meelad is older than the new innovations your leaders have brought, the wahabbies have made muslims a target in the uk, by preaching hate, i dont see you writing an article condemning those wahabbies trying to kill innocent people here, and also the grand mufti of saudi arabia, we have a recording of him saying that the prophets green dome should be destroyed as it is a big idol??? look my friend, if you want to sit down, and discuss this, we are willing to travel anywhere, at anytime and prove our beliefs, we have proof from authentic books, the quran and the hadith and then we will see how much you have to say for yourselves, the likes of your people where the people where whom joined hands with the hindus against the making of pakistan, and now, they think they are all mr pakistan in parliament, the sufis, the awliyas have done more for islam then any other scholar, if it wasnt for khawaja moinuddin chishty, sultan ul hind of ajmer, you probably would have been a hindu, someone who converted 9 million people to islam by what??? in the harshest of states of india, go to rajasthan in india, and you will see how the people are, and they done this 800 years ago, it is difficult to get 9 milllion people together now in 2008 with all forms of traffic, and they done that back then, how, they done it because they were a man of god, teacing the ahle sunnah aqeeda, celebrating meelad etc
Posted by: Sunni Power, Blackburn on 10:41am Wed 25 Jun 08
Great response mohammed ahmed. These people dont believe what you say they are very narrow minded. Pls note the writter of the article attended a Eid Milad n Nabi Jaloos himsef a few years ago-HYPOCRIT!!!
Great response mohammed ahmed. These people dont believe what you say they are very narrow minded. Pls note the writter of the article attended a Eid Milad n Nabi Jaloos himsef a few years ago-HYPOCRIT!!!
Posted by: Ziggy on 11:27am Wed 25 Jun 08
Yes brother I did attend a so called jaloos, but this was to find out for myself before I make comment. I do not rely on unsubstantiated rumours( sermons) by todays Peers. Thankyou for re-affirming my views and going on about moinuddin chishty. He may have been a pious person but this is the issue who should you be following the Prophet(pbuh)or guys with names longer than a baguette. Read my article it does explain to you a bit more than what you have focused on.
Yes brother I did attend a so called jaloos, but this was to find out for myself before I make comment. I do not rely on unsubstantiated rumours( sermons) by todays Peers. Thankyou for re-affirming my views and going on about moinuddin chishty. He may have been a pious person but this is the issue who should you be following the Prophet(pbuh)or guys with names longer than a baguette. Read my article it does explain to you a bit more than what you have focused on.
Posted by: Andrew Khan on 11:38am Wed 25 Jun 08
This is what Brailwi's really do in worshipping these nutty Peers!!!
When They see their Peer:
Make wudhu
Wear clean clothes
Apply attar (perfume) onto your clothes before going to visit your sheikh's
When entering your sheikh's abode you should make no prior intention of leaving.
Turn off your mobile phone / pager / watch alarm before sitting in your sheikhs gathering
Remove your shoes and socks before meeting your sheikh
On arriving do not stare in all directions looking for a space to sit. Instead sit wherever you find available space
Sitting in the presence of one's Sheikh:
It is important for the mureed not to busy himself in respecting or honouring any other sheikh or person in the presence of one's own sheikh.
Do not look at or sit in the presence of your sheikh without wudhu.
Do not sit in the shadow of your sheikh
Do not sit in a place where your own shadow falls upon your sheikhs' shadow or upon your sheikhs' clothes.
Do not position your back towards your sheikh
Lower your gaze and sit in a humble position.
Do not fiddle with your feet or any other part of your body
Do not sit leaning against a wall or in any other laid back position.
Do not position your feet in the direction of your sheikh
Do not crack your fingers or make any other avoidable sound.
Do not play with your clothes or watch or any other item
Do not clean your nose in the presence of your sheikh.
Sit silently & listen attentively
Do not speak or respond to anyone
Free your mind from all worldly thoughts and allow faiz to enter your heart.
Whatever your sheikh utters, believe it to be 100% true
Do not object to any of his speech either by physical expression or by internal thought.
Commit to memory all that you learn and observe from your sheikh.
*Do not drink water in the presence of your sheikh
*Do not eat in the presence of your sheikh.
Before doing anything always ask permission from your sheikh
Turn your hearts attention wholly upon your sheikh
Walking with one's sheikh:
Lower your gaze and walk humbly behind your sheikh
Be alert and ready to remove any object in the pathway of your sheikh
Be ready to open any closed doors in the pathway of your sheikh
Do not walk on the shadow of your sheikh
When walking behind your sheikh, do not walk in your sheikh's footsteps
Do not walk in front of your sheikh or directly to his left or right side.
Speaking with one's sheikh:
If need arises to speak to one's sheikh, look for an appropriate time to speak. Do not disturb your sheikh in the middle of his speech nor distract him if he is contemplating.
Speak when spoken to
It is important for the mureed not to utter something from the mouth which will nullify the bait either by joke or by sarcasm
Do not raise your voice above the voice of your sheikh
Khidmat of one's sheikh:
In the Khidmat of your shike do not busy yourself with Zikr or Nafl prayers. Without first gaining permission from your sheikh.
Cooking for one's sheikh:
Ensure you have wudhu before you begin to cook
Wash all utensils before using them to prepare food
Cook a simple dish both halaal and pure
Try to prepare or have a sweet dish or savoury for after the main course.
Items belonging to one's sheikh:
Do not use the items, utensils, towel etc of your sheikh
Do not wear your sheikhs' clothes, shoes, topi, etc without permission from your sheikh
Other important etiquettes:
Do not stand upon the prayer mat of your sheikh
Refrain from all those things, which your sheikh has prohibited for you
Do not position your back towards your sheikh
If you are not in the state of wudhu, do not look at your sheikh's face or sit in his presence.
Don't do your wudhu where your sheikh performs his wudhu
Do not position your feet in the direction of your sheikhs' house of residence.
Whatever emanates from your sheikh accept this to be the best even though it may look externally not good.
Upon being questioned whom is your sheikh always give your own sheikhs name not a prominent name within your silsila.
Whatever faiz you receive you must acknowledge that all the faiz has come from you own sheikh.
If you are requested to become an imam then after salaat either offer a small prayer and recourse back or better still recourse back and request your sheikh to make the prayer.
Do not sit with those who are enemies of your sheikh
.
Whatever you learn from your sheikh, on arriving home, note it down on a piece of paper
If a mureed happens to come across some water left by his peer, he should stand up and drink it.
This is what Brailwi's really do in worshipping these nutty Peers!!!
When They see their Peer:
Make wudhu
Wear clean clothes
Apply attar (perfume) onto your clothes before going to visit your sheikh's
When entering your sheikh's abode you should make no prior intention of leaving.
Turn off your mobile phone / pager / watch alarm before sitting in your sheikhs gathering
Remove your shoes and socks before meeting your sheikh
On arriving do not stare in all directions looking for a space to sit. Instead sit wherever you find available space
Sitting in the presence of one's Sheikh:
It is important for the mureed not to busy himself in respecting or honouring any other sheikh or person in the presence of one's own sheikh.
Do not look at or sit in the presence of your sheikh without wudhu.
Do not sit in the shadow of your sheikh
Do not sit in a place where your own shadow falls upon your sheikhs' shadow or upon your sheikhs' clothes.
Do not position your back towards your sheikh
Lower your gaze and sit in a humble position.
Do not fiddle with your feet or any other part of your body
Do not sit leaning against a wall or in any other laid back position.
Do not position your feet in the direction of your sheikh
Do not crack your fingers or make any other avoidable sound.
Do not play with your clothes or watch or any other item
Do not clean your nose in the presence of your sheikh.
Sit silently & listen attentively
Do not speak or respond to anyone
Free your mind from all worldly thoughts and allow faiz to enter your heart.
Whatever your sheikh utters, believe it to be 100% true
Do not object to any of his speech either by physical expression or by internal thought.
Commit to memory all that you learn and observe from your sheikh.
*Do not drink water in the presence of your sheikh
*Do not eat in the presence of your sheikh.
Before doing anything always ask permission from your sheikh
Turn your hearts attention wholly upon your sheikh
Walking with one's sheikh:
Lower your gaze and walk humbly behind your sheikh
Be alert and ready to remove any object in the pathway of your sheikh
Be ready to open any closed doors in the pathway of your sheikh
Do not walk on the shadow of your sheikh
When walking behind your sheikh, do not walk in your sheikh's footsteps
Do not walk in front of your sheikh or directly to his left or right side.
Speaking with one's sheikh:
If need arises to speak to one's sheikh, look for an appropriate time to speak. Do not disturb your sheikh in the middle of his speech nor distract him if he is contemplating.
Speak when spoken to
It is important for the mureed not to utter something from the mouth which will nullify the bait either by joke or by sarcasm
Do not raise your voice above the voice of your sheikh
Khidmat of one's sheikh:
In the Khidmat of your shike do not busy yourself with Zikr or Nafl prayers. Without first gaining permission from your sheikh.
Cooking for one's sheikh:
Ensure you have wudhu before you begin to cook
Wash all utensils before using them to prepare food
Cook a simple dish both halaal and pure
Try to prepare or have a sweet dish or savoury for after the main course.
Items belonging to one's sheikh:
Do not use the items, utensils, towel etc of your sheikh
Do not wear your sheikhs' clothes, shoes, topi, etc without permission from your sheikh
Other important etiquettes:
Do not stand upon the prayer mat of your sheikh
Refrain from all those things, which your sheikh has prohibited for you
Do not position your back towards your sheikh
If you are not in the state of wudhu, do not look at your sheikh's face or sit in his presence.
Don't do your wudhu where your sheikh performs his wudhu
Do not position your feet in the direction of your sheikhs' house of residence.
Whatever emanates from your sheikh accept this to be the best even though it may look externally not good.
Upon being questioned whom is your sheikh always give your own sheikhs name not a prominent name within your silsila.
Whatever faiz you receive you must acknowledge that all the faiz has come from you own sheikh.
If you are requested to become an imam then after salaat either offer a small prayer and recourse back or better still recourse back and request your sheikh to make the prayer.
Do not sit with those who are enemies of your sheikh
.
Whatever you learn from your sheikh, on arriving home, note it down on a piece of paper
If a mureed happens to come across some water left by his peer, he should stand up and drink it.
Posted by: mohammed ahmed, herts on 12:01pm Wed 25 Jun 08
what so khawaja moinuddin chishty has a long name like a baguette??? how disrespectful, where didi you learn this from, another wobbly scholar like zakir naik!!! who tries to convince muslims the quran is the truth over the bible etc, convert the converted!!!!,its like proving to a maths phd doctor that 2+2 = 4!!!!! wahabbies going on jamaat, whats that all about, isnt that bidat??? why dont you pick a reputable peer, in the uk, and tell him to his face that he preaches rumours, you will be eating books from ibn taymiya with proffs of wasila, meelad etc, i actually want you to prove me wrong, i will convert to your beliefs, go and sit with a peer, debate with them, and then we will see who makes their religion up as they go along, see if they cant substantiate what they preach from authentic books, and how dare you talk of the proiphet, you dont know the first thing about him, your scholars are the ones that label muslims as unbelievers if we give salam to the prophet standing up, we label wahabbies as misguided but you label us as people doing shirk, have you been to hijaz or saudi arabia as they call it now?? go and see what your leaders are doing to act according to our prophet, when it comes to rabi ul awwal, there is no official functions, they are bidat, but when it comes to the birthday of ibn saud, they hold large events, celebrate,now tell me who is bigger, the prophet or ibn saud lannati, they destroyed the prophets first house, where his daughter, fatima zahra, leader of all women in paradise was born, and built toilets, thats respectful, they destroyed anything historical associated with the prophet, his family, and the sahaba, and replaced with hotels like the hilton, supporting a **** star, paris hilton, whos father owns the company, you call that acting according to the prophet, and as for you mr andrew??? isnt there a namesake like you who has been arrested on terrorism charges??? watch out, you might go the same way, cos he used to attend the wahabbi mosque as opposed to the sunni one in bristol. so thats where he learned to kill innocent people, is that acting according to what our holy prophet taught us, or a wahabbi twisted interpretation?????
what so khawaja moinuddin chishty has a long name like a baguette??? how disrespectful, where didi you learn this from, another wobbly scholar like zakir naik!!! who tries to convince muslims the quran is the truth over the bible etc, convert the converted!!!!,its like proving to a maths phd doctor that 2+2 = 4!!!!! wahabbies going on jamaat, whats that all about, isnt that bidat??? why dont you pick a reputable peer, in the uk, and tell him to his face that he preaches rumours, you will be eating books from ibn taymiya with proffs of wasila, meelad etc, i actually want you to prove me wrong, i will convert to your beliefs, go and sit with a peer, debate with them, and then we will see who makes their religion up as they go along, see if they cant substantiate what they preach from authentic books, and how dare you talk of the proiphet, you dont know the first thing about him, your scholars are the ones that label muslims as unbelievers if we give salam to the prophet standing up, we label wahabbies as misguided but you label us as people doing shirk, have you been to hijaz or saudi arabia as they call it now?? go and see what your leaders are doing to act according to our prophet, when it comes to rabi ul awwal, there is no official functions, they are bidat, but when it comes to the birthday of ibn saud, they hold large events, celebrate,now tell me who is bigger, the prophet or ibn saud lannati, they destroyed the prophets first house, where his daughter, fatima zahra, leader of all women in paradise was born, and built toilets, thats respectful, they destroyed anything historical associated with the prophet, his family, and the sahaba, and replaced with hotels like the hilton, supporting a **** star, paris hilton, whos father owns the company, you call that acting according to the prophet, and as for you mr andrew??? isnt there a namesake like you who has been arrested on terrorism charges??? watch out, you might go the same way, cos he used to attend the wahabbi mosque as opposed to the sunni one in bristol. so thats where he learned to kill innocent people, is that acting according to what our holy prophet taught us, or a wahabbi twisted interpretation?????
Posted by: liakat, blackburn on 12:08pm Wed 25 Jun 08
[bold]Ziggy which milad gathering did u attend[/bold]
Ziggy which milad gathering did u attend Posted by: Amir, keighley on 12:27pm Wed 25 Jun 08
When the call came from Allah, to go forth a propogate the religion, before which the sahabi wwere staying hidden and meeting at night. What did the prophet and his companions do? They marched through the streets of makkah, reading the kalimah very loudly. This was their method of 'going forth and propogating the deen'. The meccans throew stones and rubbish on them, but they protected the prophet and hand in hand they marched on towards the kabah. If Ziggy (ashamed of his muslim name) stardust had been there, he would have been ashamed of what the kuffar would think and would have probably joined in stoning the muslims. Kitne sharam ki baat hai!
When the call came from Allah, to go forth a propogate the religion, before which the sahabi wwere staying hidden and meeting at night. What did the prophet and his companions do? They marched through the streets of makkah, reading the kalimah very loudly. This was their method of 'going forth and propogating the deen'. The meccans throew stones and rubbish on them, but they protected the prophet and hand in hand they marched on towards the kabah. If Ziggy (ashamed of his muslim name) stardust had been there, he would have been ashamed of what the kuffar would think and would have probably joined in stoning the muslims. Kitne sharam ki baat hai!
Posted by: Muslim, Truth on 12:39pm Wed 25 Jun 08
How else do you think Islam spread to the four corners of the world? Shabaah's left the company of the beloved Prophet, sarificed there family and travelled afar. Jammat (striving in the path of Allah is the biggest sunnat of the Prophet).
Have you come across in hadith or in the words of Almighty Allah that allowed marches or the Prophet held up big flags saying "Happy Birthday" marching through the streets and finishing with a grub.
Why is Bilal(ra) grave in damascus because he booked a two week break via Butlins?!!?!
Maybe you should ask yourself what you will say to Allah on the day of Judgement when He asks "What did you do for my deen?" - "Oh we went on marches, held up flags and sacrificed 30mins from drug dealing, wore shalwaar cameez with 3 on top, one on side and nothing in between!"
The Holy Quraan has many ayaats relating to effort of deen or as you label it "Jamaat".
Maybe you should try sacrificing health, wealth and time.
How else do you think Islam spread to the four corners of the world? Shabaah's left the company of the beloved Prophet, sarificed there family and travelled afar. Jammat (striving in the path of Allah is the biggest sunnat of the Prophet).
Have you come across in hadith or in the words of Almighty Allah that allowed marches or the Prophet held up big flags saying "Happy Birthday" marching through the streets and finishing with a grub.
Why is Bilal(ra) grave in damascus because he booked a two week break via Butlins?!!?!
Maybe you should ask yourself what you will say to Allah on the day of Judgement when He asks "What did you do for my deen?" - "Oh we went on marches, held up flags and sacrificed 30mins from drug dealing, wore shalwaar cameez with 3 on top, one on side and nothing in between!"
The Holy Quraan has many ayaats relating to effort of deen or as you label it "Jamaat".
Maybe you should try sacrificing health, wealth and time.
Posted by: mohammed ahmed, herts on 1:48pm Wed 25 Jun 08
dont try and say what you do is what the sahaba did, they were sahabbies, you are wahabbies, remember that, and why are they sahabi, not because of their deeds, but because they have se the holy prophet with their own two eyes, just because of that they have been elevated to a status, that if all the pious of humanity are on one side, and one sahabi who has merely seen prophet once and not done any other action, the sahabi is afzal, yes the sahabi, not the wahabbi. what have the awliya done? they have spread islam to the whole globe, everywhere you go there is a buzurg buried in every city of the sub continent or a country where you find islam in majority, they preached to non believers with their good character, when you go to jamaat, you knock on muslims doors, with your salwar chungee, your black faces, with not an iota of noor on it and say come to the mosque, when you break every other rule of the country you live in, what do you do for the deen? YOU BRING SUCH A BAD PICTURE OF ISLAM to the world and do such actions that muslims are persecuted all over the world, like bombing innocent people in buildings, tubes, not thinking there are also muslims there, because of your beliefs, people who have not dared speak against islam for the last 1400 years, have been given an opportunity to slander our religion, ridicule our prophet, where were the wahabbies when the salman rushdie incident happened, that was all fronted by the sunnis, the wahabbies were counted the pounds they recieved from the british to oppose pakistan 60 years ago, so what were you doing for the deen? hazrat bilal was a true ashiq of the prophet and actually moved to damascus out of being seperated from his beloved, the prophet, he wished for death so he could see our holy prophets enlightened face, the blessed sahaba in namaz uysed to watch the prophet pray, because they said they loved it when the prophet would push his zulfe valail back, thats ishq, ishq of the prophet, got them to allah, but then again they are sahabi, and you are wahabi, you think there is a fast track to god, by missing the prophets family out, the prophet himself, you go on about sunnats, and talk about beards, well i could find hundreds of mullas with beards that probably have the same if not better beliefs on the broadway, southall. if you want to do something for the DEEN, THEN AT LEAST MAKE A NON BELIEVER THINK OF ISLAM, AND SAY YES, THATS THE RELIGION OF PEACE, HARMONY, THEY SPREAD ISLAM THROUGH LOVE, NOT WHAT THE DEFINITION OF ISLAM IS TODY, TERRORISM, WHO IS THAT BECAUSE OF? BECAUSE OF YOU, THE WAHABBIES, WHO HAVE GIVEN ALL MUSLIMS A ABD NAME, SO WHAT ANSWER DO YOU HAVE FOR THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT, maybe rewind, qiyamat is a bit forward, first think when you are asked in your grave the 3 questions, you wont be asked about jamaat, you will be asked the final question ma kunto takoono fee haqi hazal rajul, and someone who participated in meelad, read naats, had ishq e nabi, will say huwa rasullullah sallallaho alaihi wasallam, beacuse he will recognise his prophet, what will you do you wahabi, first things first in a building, get the foundations right before you start trying to pain the walls, if you have a strong foundation, even if the building on top is incorrect, or faulty, it will survive, but if your foundation is rubbish, dont expect the walls to stand, the same concept is with deen, if your aqeeda is not that of mazhabe ahle haq, ahle sunnat wal jamaat, then you can go on jamaat as much as u want, read 50 namazes a day, it dont mean nothing, if you cant pass the first stage in the grave, forget about qiyamat, cos bin laden aint gonna intercede their for you, the power of intercession is with the beutiful one of madinah.
dont try and say what you do is what the sahaba did, they were sahabbies, you are wahabbies, remember that, and why are they sahabi, not because of their deeds, but because they have se the holy prophet with their own two eyes, just because of that they have been elevated to a status, that if all the pious of humanity are on one side, and one sahabi who has merely seen prophet once and not done any other action, the sahabi is afzal, yes the sahabi, not the wahabbi. what have the awliya done? they have spread islam to the whole globe, everywhere you go there is a buzurg buried in every city of the sub continent or a country where you find islam in majority, they preached to non believers with their good character, when you go to jamaat, you knock on muslims doors, with your salwar chungee, your black faces, with not an iota of noor on it and say come to the mosque, when you break every other rule of the country you live in, what do you do for the deen? YOU BRING SUCH A BAD PICTURE OF ISLAM to the world and do such actions that muslims are persecuted all over the world, like bombing innocent people in buildings, tubes, not thinking there are also muslims there, because of your beliefs, people who have not dared speak against islam for the last 1400 years, have been given an opportunity to slander our religion, ridicule our prophet, where were the wahabbies when the salman rushdie incident happened, that was all fronted by the sunnis, the wahabbies were counted the pounds they recieved from the british to oppose pakistan 60 years ago, so what were you doing for the deen? hazrat bilal was a true ashiq of the prophet and actually moved to damascus out of being seperated from his beloved, the prophet, he wished for death so he could see our holy prophets enlightened face, the blessed sahaba in namaz uysed to watch the prophet pray, because they said they loved it when the prophet would push his zulfe valail back, thats ishq, ishq of the prophet, got them to allah, but then again they are sahabi, and you are wahabi, you think there is a fast track to god, by missing the prophets family out, the prophet himself, you go on about sunnats, and talk about beards, well i could find hundreds of mullas with beards that probably have the same if not better beliefs on the broadway, southall. if you want to do something for the DEEN, THEN AT LEAST MAKE A NON BELIEVER THINK OF ISLAM, AND SAY YES, THATS THE RELIGION OF PEACE, HARMONY, THEY SPREAD ISLAM THROUGH LOVE, NOT WHAT THE DEFINITION OF ISLAM IS TODY, TERRORISM, WHO IS THAT BECAUSE OF? BECAUSE OF YOU, THE WAHABBIES, WHO HAVE GIVEN ALL MUSLIMS A ABD NAME, SO WHAT ANSWER DO YOU HAVE FOR THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT, maybe rewind, qiyamat is a bit forward, first think when you are asked in your grave the 3 questions, you wont be asked about jamaat, you will be asked the final question ma kunto takoono fee haqi hazal rajul, and someone who participated in meelad, read naats, had ishq e nabi, will say huwa rasullullah sallallaho alaihi wasallam, beacuse he will recognise his prophet, what will you do you wahabi, first things first in a building, get the foundations right before you start trying to pain the walls, if you have a strong foundation, even if the building on top is incorrect, or faulty, it will survive, but if your foundation is rubbish, dont expect the walls to stand, the same concept is with deen, if your aqeeda is not that of mazhabe ahle haq, ahle sunnat wal jamaat, then you can go on jamaat as much as u want, read 50 namazes a day, it dont mean nothing, if you cant pass the first stage in the grave, forget about qiyamat, cos bin laden aint gonna intercede their for you, the power of intercession is with the beutiful one of madinah.
Posted by: Muslim, Birmingham on 2:29pm Wed 25 Jun 08
Please can someone from Newsquest or Asian Image check such articles before they publicise them openly on their website. This guy who calls himself Ziggy has completely contradicted himself by attending these gatherings. I find him pretty childish, definitely stupid and arrogant, His stupidity and ignorance can cause so much hatred amongst other fellow Muslims.
So why has this happened?
So please can you remove this article off your website ASAP and refrain from further patronising rubbish. I will be making a formal complaint if this has not been actioned.
Please can someone from Newsquest or Asian Image check such articles before they publicise them openly on their website. This guy who calls himself Ziggy has completely contradicted himself by attending these gatherings. I find him pretty childish, definitely stupid and arrogant, His stupidity and ignorance can cause so much hatred amongst other fellow Muslims.
So why has this happened?
So please can you remove this article off your website ASAP and refrain from further patronising rubbish. I will be making a formal complaint if this has not been actioned.
Posted by: Sunni Power, Blackburn on 3:05pm Wed 25 Jun 08
Mohammed Ahmed- I think theses wobblers need to take your Bayt and become your mureed and move away from these so called Mufti Sbs they believe in!! They may then be able to live a practasing muslim life rather than just being book readers. All talk no action. just read this...heard this at a certain bayaan. Show me action...True love towards The Holy Prophet Mohammad SAW and his teachings. Not just point the finger at others. Being totally honest I can put my life on this you wobblers dont even knwo the meaning of Bidah! & Shirk!
[/quote] What is it with these peer saab's with green turbans? Have they been shipped in from Ireland or something?
This is the colour of the Prophets Mosque Dome!!! Thats how much love these people have!!!
Mohammed Ahmed- I think theses wobblers need to take your Bayt and become your mureed and move away from these so called Mufti Sbs they believe in!! They may then be able to live a practasing muslim life rather than just being book readers. All talk no action. just read this...heard this at a certain bayaan. Show me action...True love towards The Holy Prophet Mohammad SAW and his teachings. Not just point the finger at others. Being totally honest I can put my life on this you wobblers dont even knwo the meaning of Bidah! & Shirk!
What is it with these peer saab's with green turbans? Have they been shipped in from Ireland or something?
This is the colour of the Prophets Mosque Dome!!! Thats how much love these people have!!!
Posted by: Sunii Power, Blackburn on 3:19pm Wed 25 Jun 08
Muslim, Truth on 12:39pm today "Shabaah's left the company of the beloved Prophet, sarificed there family and travelled afar" **THe guy cant even spell the work of Sahaba Karam and these people want to comment on the teachings these Great people. Back off Muslim, Truth alias Wobby!!!!
Muslim, Truth on 12:39pm today "Shabaah's left the company of the beloved Prophet, sarificed there family and travelled afar" **THe guy cant even spell the work of Sahaba Karam and these people want to comment on the teachings these Great people. Back off Muslim, Truth alias Wobby!!!!
Posted by: Brierfielder, Lancs on 3:47pm Wed 25 Jun 08
The author said he has trouble explaining to non-muslims the purpose of this march.
I agree - they'd even find it funny when I said the Prophet (saw) never celebrated his birthday in his lifetime on earth. As for comparisons with the Prophet (SAW) and the Sahaba (RA) making a dawah March through Makka, I think it's insulting to their memory. Since when did the English indiginous population start speaking Urdu or start reading Urdu banners?
It's all an excuse to get you all to wear your different regalias for your Tariqas and Groups eg. the turban with the green cone or the white cap with the green stripe. You are welcome to do this kind of dress-up and march anytime but not in the name of The Holy Prophet (SAW).
The author said he has trouble explaining to non-muslims the purpose of this march.
I agree - they'd even find it funny when I said the Prophet (saw) never celebrated his birthday in his lifetime on earth. As for comparisons with the Prophet (SAW) and the Sahaba (RA) making a dawah March through Makka, I think it's insulting to their memory. Since when did the English indiginous population start speaking Urdu or start reading Urdu banners?
It's all an excuse to get you all to wear your different regalias for your Tariqas and Groups eg. the turban with the green cone or the white cap with the green stripe. You are welcome to do this kind of dress-up and march anytime but not in the name of The Holy Prophet (SAW).
Posted by: Brierfielder, Lancs on 3:54pm Wed 25 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Andrew Khan[/bold] wrote:
This is what Brailwi's really do in worshipping these nutty Peers!!! When They see their Peer: Make wudhu Wear clean clothes Apply attar (perfume) onto your clothes before going to visit your sheikh's When entering your sheikh's abode you should make no prior intention of leaving. Turn off your mobile phone / pager / watch alarm before sitting in your sheikhs gathering Remove your shoes and socks before meeting your sheikh On arriving do not stare in all directions looking for a space to sit. Instead sit wherever you find available space Sitting in the presence of one's Sheikh: It is important for the mureed not to busy himself in respecting or honouring any other sheikh or person in the presence of one's own sheikh. Do not look at or sit in the presence of your sheikh without wudhu. Do not sit in the shadow of your sheikh Do not sit in a place where your own shadow falls upon your sheikhs' shadow or upon your sheikhs' clothes. Do not position your back towards your sheikh Lower your gaze and sit in a humble position. Do not fiddle with your feet or any other part of your body Do not sit leaning against a wall or in any other laid back position. Do not position your feet in the direction of your sheikh Do not crack your fingers or make any other avoidable sound. Do not play with your clothes or watch or any other item Do not clean your nose in the presence of your sheikh. Sit silently & listen attentively Do not speak or respond to anyone Free your mind from all worldly thoughts and allow faiz to enter your heart. Whatever your sheikh utters, believe it to be 100% true Do not object to any of his speech either by physical expression or by internal thought. Commit to memory all that you learn and observe from your sheikh. *Do not drink water in the presence of your sheikh *Do not eat in the presence of your sheikh. Before doing anything always ask permission from your sheikh Turn your hearts attention wholly upon your sheikh Walking with one's sheikh: Lower your gaze and walk humbly behind your sheikh Be alert and ready to remove any object in the pathway of your sheikh Be ready to open any closed doors in the pathway of your sheikh Do not walk on the shadow of your sheikh When walking behind your sheikh, do not walk in your sheikh's footsteps Do not walk in front of your sheikh or directly to his left or right side. Speaking with one's sheikh: If need arises to speak to one's sheikh, look for an appropriate time to speak. Do not disturb your sheikh in the middle of his speech nor distract him if he is contemplating. Speak when spoken to It is important for the mureed not to utter something from the mouth which will nullify the bait either by joke or by sarcasm Do not raise your voice above the voice of your sheikh Khidmat of one's sheikh: In the Khidmat of your shike do not busy yourself with Zikr or Nafl prayers. Without first gaining permission from your sheikh. Cooking for one's sheikh: Ensure you have wudhu before you begin to cook Wash all utensils before using them to prepare food Cook a simple dish both halaal and pure Try to prepare or have a sweet dish or savoury for after the main course. Items belonging to one's sheikh: Do not use the items, utensils, towel etc of your sheikh Do not wear your sheikhs' clothes, shoes, topi, etc without permission from your sheikh Other important etiquettes: Do not stand upon the prayer mat of your sheikh Refrain from all those things, which your sheikh has prohibited for you Do not position your back towards your sheikh If you are not in the state of wudhu, do not look at your sheikh's face or sit in his presence. Don't do your wudhu where your sheikh performs his wudhu Do not position your feet in the direction of your sheikhs' house of residence. Whatever emanates from your sheikh accept this to be the best even though it may look externally not good. Upon being questioned whom is your sheikh always give your own sheikhs name not a prominent name within your silsila. Whatever faiz you receive you must acknowledge that all the faiz has come from you own sheikh. If you are requested to become an imam then after salaat either offer a small prayer and recourse back or better still recourse back and request your sheikh to make the prayer. Do not sit with those who are enemies of your sheikh . Whatever you learn from your sheikh, on arriving home, note it down on a piece of paper If a mureed happens to come across some water left by his peer, he should stand up and drink it. [/quote] Andrew - where did you get this Haynes Sheikh Maintenance Manual from?
Andrew Khan wrote:
This is what Brailwi's really do in worshipping these nutty Peers!!! When They see their Peer: Make wudhu Wear clean clothes Apply attar (perfume) onto your clothes before going to visit your sheikh's When entering your sheikh's abode you should make no prior intention of leaving. Turn off your mobile phone / pager / watch alarm before sitting in your sheikhs gathering Remove your shoes and socks before meeting your sheikh On arriving do not stare in all directions looking for a space to sit. Instead sit wherever you find available space Sitting in the presence of one's Sheikh: It is important for the mureed not to busy himself in respecting or honouring any other sheikh or person in the presence of one's own sheikh. Do not look at or sit in the presence of your sheikh without wudhu. Do not sit in the shadow of your sheikh Do not sit in a place where your own shadow falls upon your sheikhs' shadow or upon your sheikhs' clothes. Do not position your back towards your sheikh Lower your gaze and sit in a humble position. Do not fiddle with your feet or any other part of your body Do not sit leaning against a wall or in any other laid back position. Do not position your feet in the direction of your sheikh Do not crack your fingers or make any other avoidable sound. Do not play with your clothes or watch or any other item Do not clean your nose in the presence of your sheikh. Sit silently & listen attentively Do not speak or respond to anyone Free your mind from all worldly thoughts and allow faiz to enter your heart. Whatever your sheikh utters, believe it to be 100% true Do not object to any of his speech either by physical expression or by internal thought. Commit to memory all that you learn and observe from your sheikh. *Do not drink water in the presence of your sheikh *Do not eat in the presence of your sheikh. Before doing anything always ask permission from your sheikh Turn your hearts attention wholly upon your sheikh Walking with one's sheikh: Lower your gaze and walk humbly behind your sheikh Be alert and ready to remove any object in the pathway of your sheikh Be ready to open any closed doors in the pathway of your sheikh Do not walk on the shadow of your sheikh When walking behind your sheikh, do not walk in your sheikh's footsteps Do not walk in front of your sheikh or directly to his left or right side. Speaking with one's sheikh: If need arises to speak to one's sheikh, look for an appropriate time to speak. Do not disturb your sheikh in the middle of his speech nor distract him if he is contemplating. Speak when spoken to It is important for the mureed not to utter something from the mouth which will nullify the bait either by joke or by sarcasm Do not raise your voice above the voice of your sheikh Khidmat of one's sheikh: In the Khidmat of your shike do not busy yourself with Zikr or Nafl prayers. Without first gaining permission from your sheikh. Cooking for one's sheikh: Ensure you have wudhu before you begin to cook Wash all utensils before using them to prepare food Cook a simple dish both halaal and pure Try to prepare or have a sweet dish or savoury for after the main course. Items belonging to one's sheikh: Do not use the items, utensils, towel etc of your sheikh Do not wear your sheikhs' clothes, shoes, topi, etc without permission from your sheikh Other important etiquettes: Do not stand upon the prayer mat of your sheikh Refrain from all those things, which your sheikh has prohibited for you Do not position your back towards your sheikh If you are not in the state of wudhu, do not look at your sheikh's face or sit in his presence. Don't do your wudhu where your sheikh performs his wudhu Do not position your feet in the direction of your sheikhs' house of residence. Whatever emanates from your sheikh accept this to be the best even though it may look externally not good. Upon being questioned whom is your sheikh always give your own sheikhs name not a prominent name within your silsila. Whatever faiz you receive you must acknowledge that all the faiz has come from you own sheikh. If you are requested to become an imam then after salaat either offer a small prayer and recourse back or better still recourse back and request your sheikh to make the prayer. Do not sit with those who are enemies of your sheikh . Whatever you learn from your sheikh, on arriving home, note it down on a piece of paper If a mureed happens to come across some water left by his peer, he should stand up and drink it.
Andrew - where did you get this Haynes Sheikh Maintenance Manual from?
Posted by: Brierfielder, Lancs on 3:56pm Wed 25 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Andrew Khan[/bold] wrote:
This is what Brailwi\'s really do in worshipping these nutty Peers!!! When They see their Peer: Make wudhu Wear clean clothes Apply attar (perfume) onto your clothes before going to visit your sheikh\'s When entering your sheikh\'s abode you should make no prior intention of leaving. Turn off your mobile phone / pager / watch alarm before sitting in your sheikhs gathering Remove your shoes and socks before meeting your sheikh On arriving do not stare in all directions looking for a space to sit. Instead sit wherever you find available space Sitting in the presence of one\'s Sheikh: It is important for the mureed not to busy himself in respecting or honouring any other sheikh or person in the presence of one\'s own sheikh. Do not look at or sit in the presence of your sheikh without wudhu. Do not sit in the shadow of your sheikh Do not sit in a place where your own shadow falls upon your sheikhs\' shadow or upon your sheikhs\' clothes. Do not position your back towards your sheikh Lower your gaze and sit in a humble position. Do not fiddle with your feet or any other part of your body Do not sit leaning against a wall or in any other laid back position. Do not position your feet in the direction of your sheikh Do not crack your fingers or make any other avoidable sound. Do not play with your clothes or watch or any other item Do not clean your nose in the presence of your sheikh. Sit silently & listen attentively Do not speak or respond to anyone Free your mind from all worldly thoughts and allow faiz to enter your heart. Whatever your sheikh utters, believe it to be 100% true Do not object to any of his speech either by physical expression or by internal thought. Commit to memory all that you learn and observe from your sheikh. *Do not drink water in the presence of your sheikh *Do not eat in the presence of your sheikh. Before doing anything always ask permission from your sheikh Turn your hearts attention wholly upon your sheikh Walking with one\'s sheikh: Lower your gaze and walk humbly behind your sheikh Be alert and ready to remove any object in the pathway of your sheikh Be ready to open any closed doors in the pathway of your sheikh Do not walk on the shadow of your sheikh When walking behind your sheikh, do not walk in your sheikh\'s footsteps Do not walk in front of your sheikh or directly to his left or right side. Speaking with one\'s sheikh: If need arises to speak to one\'s sheikh, look for an appropriate time to speak. Do not disturb your sheikh in the middle of his speech nor distract him if he is contemplating. Speak when spoken to It is important for the mureed not to utter something from the mouth which will nullify the bait either by joke or by sarcasm Do not raise your voice above the voice of your sheikh Khidmat of one\'s sheikh: In the Khidmat of your shike do not busy yourself with Zikr or Nafl prayers. Without first gaining permission from your sheikh. Cooking for one\'s sheikh: Ensure you have wudhu before you begin to cook Wash all utensils before using them to prepare food Cook a simple dish both halaal and pure Try to prepare or have a sweet dish or savoury for after the main course. Items belonging to one\'s sheikh: Do not use the items, utensils, towel etc of your sheikh Do not wear your sheikhs\' clothes, shoes, topi, etc without permission from your sheikh Other important etiquettes: Do not stand upon the prayer mat of your sheikh Refrain from all those things, which your sheikh has prohibited for you Do not position your back towards your sheikh If you are not in the state of wudhu, do not look at your sheikh\'s face or sit in his presence. Don\'t do your wudhu where your sheikh performs his wudhu Do not position your feet in the direction of your sheikhs\' house of residence. Whatever emanates from your sheikh accept this to be the best even though it may look externally not good. Upon being questioned whom is your sheikh always give your own sheikhs name not a prominent name within your silsila. Whatever faiz you receive you must acknowledge that all the faiz has come from you own sheikh. If you are requested to become an imam then after salaat either offer a small prayer and recourse back or better still recourse back and request your sheikh to make the prayer. Do not sit with those who are enemies of your sheikh . Whatever you learn from your sheikh, on arriving home, note it down on a piece of paper If a mureed happens to come across some water left by his peer, he should stand up and drink it. [/quote] Andrew - where did you get this Haynes Sheikh Maintenance Manual from?
Andrew Khan wrote:
This is what Brailwi\'s really do in worshipping these nutty Peers!!! When They see their Peer: Make wudhu Wear clean clothes Apply attar (perfume) onto your clothes before going to visit your sheikh\'s When entering your sheikh\'s abode you should make no prior intention of leaving. Turn off your mobile phone / pager / watch alarm before sitting in your sheikhs gathering Remove your shoes and socks before meeting your sheikh On arriving do not stare in all directions looking for a space to sit. Instead sit wherever you find available space Sitting in the presence of one\'s Sheikh: It is important for the mureed not to busy himself in respecting or honouring any other sheikh or person in the presence of one\'s own sheikh. Do not look at or sit in the presence of your sheikh without wudhu. Do not sit in the shadow of your sheikh Do not sit in a place where your own shadow falls upon your sheikhs\' shadow or upon your sheikhs\' clothes. Do not position your back towards your sheikh Lower your gaze and sit in a humble position. Do not fiddle with your feet or any other part of your body Do not sit leaning against a wall or in any other laid back position. Do not position your feet in the direction of your sheikh Do not crack your fingers or make any other avoidable sound. Do not play with your clothes or watch or any other item Do not clean your nose in the presence of your sheikh. Sit silently & listen attentively Do not speak or respond to anyone Free your mind from all worldly thoughts and allow faiz to enter your heart. Whatever your sheikh utters, believe it to be 100% true Do not object to any of his speech either by physical expression or by internal thought. Commit to memory all that you learn and observe from your sheikh. *Do not drink water in the presence of your sheikh *Do not eat in the presence of your sheikh. Before doing anything always ask permission from your sheikh Turn your hearts attention wholly upon your sheikh Walking with one\'s sheikh: Lower your gaze and walk humbly behind your sheikh Be alert and ready to remove any object in the pathway of your sheikh Be ready to open any closed doors in the pathway of your sheikh Do not walk on the shadow of your sheikh When walking behind your sheikh, do not walk in your sheikh\'s footsteps Do not walk in front of your sheikh or directly to his left or right side. Speaking with one\'s sheikh: If need arises to speak to one\'s sheikh, look for an appropriate time to speak. Do not disturb your sheikh in the middle of his speech nor distract him if he is contemplating. Speak when spoken to It is important for the mureed not to utter something from the mouth which will nullify the bait either by joke or by sarcasm Do not raise your voice above the voice of your sheikh Khidmat of one\'s sheikh: In the Khidmat of your shike do not busy yourself with Zikr or Nafl prayers. Without first gaining permission from your sheikh. Cooking for one\'s sheikh: Ensure you have wudhu before you begin to cook Wash all utensils before using them to prepare food Cook a simple dish both halaal and pure Try to prepare or have a sweet dish or savoury for after the main course. Items belonging to one\'s sheikh: Do not use the items, utensils, towel etc of your sheikh Do not wear your sheikhs\' clothes, shoes, topi, etc without permission from your sheikh Other important etiquettes: Do not stand upon the prayer mat of your sheikh Refrain from all those things, which your sheikh has prohibited for you Do not position your back towards your sheikh If you are not in the state of wudhu, do not look at your sheikh\'s face or sit in his presence. Don\'t do your wudhu where your sheikh performs his wudhu Do not position your feet in the direction of your sheikhs\' house of residence. Whatever emanates from your sheikh accept this to be the best even though it may look externally not good. Upon being questioned whom is your sheikh always give your own sheikhs name not a prominent name within your silsila. Whatever faiz you receive you must acknowledge that all the faiz has come from you own sheikh. If you are requested to become an imam then after salaat either offer a small prayer and recourse back or better still recourse back and request your sheikh to make the prayer. Do not sit with those who are enemies of your sheikh . Whatever you learn from your sheikh, on arriving home, note it down on a piece of paper If a mureed happens to come across some water left by his peer, he should stand up and drink it.
Andrew - where did you get this Haynes Sheikh Maintenance Manual from?
Posted by: Ziggy on 4:14pm Wed 25 Jun 08
Come on guys, this article was done on the basis of starting a constructive debate and analysis of what Muslims are doing in general in society and to question ourselves in how far we have come from the teachings of the prophet Mohammed(pbuh). It is not about slagging off others but to educate and reason amongst ourselves. If you wish to get derogatory I can aswell, but lets not go there.
Come on guys, this article was done on the basis of starting a constructive debate and analysis of what Muslims are doing in general in society and to question ourselves in how far we have come from the teachings of the prophet Mohammed(pbuh). It is not about slagging off others but to educate and reason amongst ourselves. If you wish to get derogatory I can aswell, but lets not go there.
Posted by: Amir, keighley on 4:48pm Wed 25 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Brierfielder[/bold] wrote:
The author said he has trouble explaining to non-muslims the purpose of this march. I agree - they'd even find it funny when I said the Prophet (saw) never celebrated his birthday in his lifetime on earth. As for comparisons with the Prophet (SAW) and the Sahaba (RA) making a dawah March through Makka, I think it's insulting to their memory. Since when did the English indiginous population start speaking Urdu or start reading Urdu banners? It's all an excuse to get you all to wear your different regalias for your Tariqas and Groups eg. the turban with the green cone or the white cap with the green stripe. You are welcome to do this kind of dress-up and march anytime but not in the name of The Holy Prophet (SAW).[/quote] Since when did the Indigenous population start understanding arabic? Should we stop doing adhaan? Nay, the words of Allah move their hearts. Just another ashamed muslims, scared of what Joe public will think. Have you know resolve?
Brierfielder wrote:
The author said he has trouble explaining to non-muslims the purpose of this march. I agree - they'd even find it funny when I said the Prophet (saw) never celebrated his birthday in his lifetime on earth. As for comparisons with the Prophet (SAW) and the Sahaba (RA) making a dawah March through Makka, I think it's insulting to their memory. Since when did the English indiginous population start speaking Urdu or start reading Urdu banners? It's all an excuse to get you all to wear your different regalias for your Tariqas and Groups eg. the turban with the green cone or the white cap with the green stripe. You are welcome to do this kind of dress-up and march anytime but not in the name of The Holy Prophet (SAW).
Since when did the Indigenous population start understanding arabic? Should we stop doing adhaan? Nay, the words of Allah move their hearts. Just another ashamed muslims, scared of what Joe public will think. Have you know resolve?
Posted by: normal guty, north west on 5:22pm Wed 25 Jun 08
i don't think there is a issue with what ziggy has written, i am sure he is relating what many of us think but don't have the guts to say. Also I feel that Islam as a way of life is generally geared around common sense and good intentions, not revering specific individuals which is what a lot of the Suffis and peers demand and the actions carried out by their mureeds!
so come on guys use a bit of common sense and see the light, and its not the Peers, suufis, molanas or any other guy who demands this sort of attention, and this is proven by the complete guide of Sufism that is mentioned by Andrew Khan-have you read anything so bizzare?!!![bold]bold[/bold] . so if you are going to the mosque or gatherings please have an open mind and if the guy is talking about something which is non specific, get out of there and don't go back!!!!
i don't think there is a issue with what ziggy has written, i am sure he is relating what many of us think but don't have the guts to say. Also I feel that Islam as a way of life is generally geared around common sense and good intentions, not revering specific individuals which is what a lot of the Suffis and peers demand and the actions carried out by their mureeds!
so come on guys use a bit of common sense and see the light, and its not the Peers, suufis, molanas or any other guy who demands this sort of attention, and this is proven by the complete guide of Sufism that is mentioned by Andrew Khan-have you read anything so bizzare?!!! . so if you are going to the mosque or gatherings please have an open mind and if the guy is talking about something which is non specific, get out of there and don't go back!!!!
Posted by: Brierfielder, Lancs on 5:31pm Wed 25 Jun 08
Amir (Keighley)
If you're gonna be marching at least have banners and speeches/chants in English. So that you are doing your dawah. But you can't even do that, can you!
Amir (Keighley)
If you're gonna be marching at least have banners and speeches/chants in English. So that you are doing your dawah. But you can't even do that, can you!
Posted by: imran, blackburn on 5:44pm Wed 25 Jun 08
[bold]bold[/bold] [bold]bold[/bold] brierfielder the banners wre in english and urdu and many of the chants wre in english gets ur fact rite brother, we the sunni go on to the streets and do the zikr of allah and recite the kalimah, them same street on the day of qiyamat will answer and reply that the gulams of mustapha came on to these streets and prayed naats, did allah zikr and prayed the kalimah.
brierfielder the banners wre in english and urdu and many of the chants wre in english gets ur fact rite brother, we the sunni go on to the streets and do the zikr of allah and recite the kalimah, them same street on the day of qiyamat will answer and reply that the gulams of mustapha came on to these streets and prayed naats, did allah zikr and prayed the kalimah.
Posted by: sunni soldier 19, birmingham on 5:59pm Wed 25 Jun 08
wahabis have no respect for the prophet watsoever there leader ibn abdul wahab najdi created a new sect in islam who are commonly known as wahabis, deobandies, ahle hadith, najdi, jaamat e islami all u people do is spread hate and talk about jihad with the british and u claiming benefits ffom them u live in there council houses but yet u wana to make this country in to a sharia law this aint saudi arabia its england who watched that documentary called dispatches under cover mosques exposing wahabis and the british public now nos wat kind of people u are u wahabis are terrorists and u complaining about us sunnis you should be ashamed of yourself i personally wouldnt even call u muslims but infidels. long live jaamat ahle sunnat.
wahabis have no respect for the prophet watsoever there leader ibn abdul wahab najdi created a new sect in islam who are commonly known as wahabis, deobandies, ahle hadith, najdi, jaamat e islami all u people do is spread hate and talk about jihad with the british and u claiming benefits ffom them u live in there council houses but yet u wana to make this country in to a sharia law this aint saudi arabia its england who watched that documentary called dispatches under cover mosques exposing wahabis and the british public now nos wat kind of people u are u wahabis are terrorists and u complaining about us sunnis you should be ashamed of yourself i personally wouldnt even call u muslims but infidels. long live jaamat ahle sunnat.
Posted by: Barelwi badmash towba karow on 6:36pm Wed 25 Jun 08
"the likes of your people where the people where whom joined hands with the hindus against the making of pakistan, and now, they think they are all mr pakistan in parliament,"
I wonder then why Molwi Ahmad Raza Saheb did fatwa of kufr against Qadie-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah? This is well documented in his writings.
"the likes of your people where the people where whom joined hands with the hindus against the making of pakistan, and now, they think they are all mr pakistan in parliament,"
I wonder then why Molwi Ahmad Raza Saheb did fatwa of kufr against Qadie-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah? This is well documented in his writings.
Posted by: mohammed ahmed, herts on 9:17pm Wed 25 Jun 08
about the last comment, about aala hazrat ahmed raza khan barelvis fatwa, allama iqbal marhoom, said he is a very extreme maulana that he doesnt want us to join all inda national congress, but what did quaid e azam and allama iqbal say years later when they realised that what aala hazrat had said was true, they helped for the muslim league, supported pakistan being created,a nd actually quaid e azam was a follower of peer jamaat ali shah alipuri, at the time aala hazrat said harsh things about quaid e azam, it was because he could forsee what was going to happen, the british wanted to get the muslims under rule, so they had some wahabbies under the payrol, and got them to go against a muslim state, telling the hindus go on about nationaliwsm, that was the quagmire quaid e azam got stuck in but when he saw that everytime the all india national congress party made a decision it was according to the hindus and the british, nullifying the muslims to a silent entity, they did amal on what aala hazrat was preaching about 30 years earlier. as for the marces, many speeches are in english, leaflets are handed out, and banners are in english so they know we are not protesting, we are expressing happiness
about the last comment, about aala hazrat ahmed raza khan barelvis fatwa, allama iqbal marhoom, said he is a very extreme maulana that he doesnt want us to join all inda national congress, but what did quaid e azam and allama iqbal say years later when they realised that what aala hazrat had said was true, they helped for the muslim league, supported pakistan being created,a nd actually quaid e azam was a follower of peer jamaat ali shah alipuri, at the time aala hazrat said harsh things about quaid e azam, it was because he could forsee what was going to happen, the british wanted to get the muslims under rule, so they had some wahabbies under the payrol, and got them to go against a muslim state, telling the hindus go on about nationaliwsm, that was the quagmire quaid e azam got stuck in but when he saw that everytime the all india national congress party made a decision it was according to the hindus and the british, nullifying the muslims to a silent entity, they did amal on what aala hazrat was preaching about 30 years earlier. as for the marces, many speeches are in english, leaflets are handed out, and banners are in english so they know we are not protesting, we are expressing happiness
Posted by: SUNY, karachi Pakistan on 10:00pm Wed 25 Jun 08
ALL IN URDU
na kisi banday nay humain kuch dena ..na kisi peer nay kuch dena...jo bhi dena ..mere moula nay dena...Allah k siwa kisi k hath na phelana...jo bhi mangna...bus Allah say mangna...jo kehta hay k peer sab meri mushkil hal kar day ga..woh ghalat kehta hay..peer nay kuch nahi karna...jo bhi karna..mere MOULA nay karna...
lekin Aaj agar islam zindah hay to NABI PAAK S.A.W or Allah k bhejay huay sab nabyo ki wajah say zindah hay..they are messengers of Allah ji...unho nay Allah ka message sab logo tak pohnchaya...aaj dunya main koi nabi nahi...Muhammad S.A.W Allah k akhri nabi thay...un k bad sahaba Akraam nay Muhammad S.A.W ki di hui taleem ko agay pohnchaya...har achay musalman nay islam ki taleem hasil ki..or usay forword kiya...or jinho nay apni sari zindagi islam k liye laga di..Allah ji nay unhay apnay khas bando main chun liya...unhay dunya main bhi izzat di..or akhirat main bhi k liye bohat makaam hay...Allah un logo say bohat pyar kartay hain..or un k mu say nikli har dua kabool kartay hain....woh log apni sari zindagi main apnay liye kuch nahi mangtay...jo bhi mangtay hain doosro k liye...log un k pas apna masla lay kar jatay...or woh logo ko islamically us ka hal batatay or Allah ji say dua kartay..or Allah apnay naik bando ki dua sunta hay...so logo k problems hal ho jatay...
is tarha k hazaro lakho log is dunya main mojood hain..jo Allah ki khushi k khatir doosro ki madad kartay hain..or islam ki taleem detay hain..logo ko Allah k kareeb rakhtay hain...we Have QURAN-e-PAK but we are not able to understand its reall meaning...they ppl are for teach us...jis tarha dunya ki education k liye teachers hotay hain..isi tarha islamic education k liye bhi teachers hotay hain...the reall peers are our teacher...jinhay Allah nay hamari guidance k liye bheja..hamari madad k liye bheja..humain seedha rusta batanay k liye...hamari burayo ko mitanay k liye bheja..they are surely respectable...we shuld respect them and we should follow theri educations
baki raha asli nakli peer ka sawal..their are so many jali peers....jo such much Allah ka banda hay woh bina kisi matlab k islam ki education deta hay...bina pesay liye logo ki madad karta hay...or sab say bari nishani yeh hay k agar ap us k pas jaa kar sirf beth jao....jitna tym aap us k pas guzaro..us tym ka 90 percent hissa aap k dil main sirf Allah ki yaad aey gi....chahay aap us ki batain na suno...chahay usay dekho bhi na..lekin jitna tym us k pas raho gay...dil khud hi Allah ko yaad karay ga...
Jo Allah k naik banday hotay hain...woh jaha bethtay hain waha aasman tak rehmat k farishtay jama ho jatay hain..us jagah Allah ki rehmat baras rahi hoti hay....jo har anay walay k dil main utar jati hay...
ALL IN URDU
na kisi banday nay humain kuch dena ..na kisi peer nay kuch dena...jo bhi dena ..mere moula nay dena...Allah k siwa kisi k hath na phelana...jo bhi mangna...bus Allah say mangna...jo kehta hay k peer sab meri mushkil hal kar day ga..woh ghalat kehta hay..peer nay kuch nahi karna...jo bhi karna..mere MOULA nay karna...
lekin Aaj agar islam zindah hay to NABI PAAK S.A.W or Allah k bhejay huay sab nabyo ki wajah say zindah hay..they are messengers of Allah ji...unho nay Allah ka message sab logo tak pohnchaya...aaj dunya main koi nabi nahi...Muhammad S.A.W Allah k akhri nabi thay...un k bad sahaba Akraam nay Muhammad S.A.W ki di hui taleem ko agay pohnchaya...har achay musalman nay islam ki taleem hasil ki..or usay forword kiya...or jinho nay apni sari zindagi islam k liye laga di..Allah ji nay unhay apnay khas bando main chun liya...unhay dunya main bhi izzat di..or akhirat main bhi k liye bohat makaam hay...Allah un logo say bohat pyar kartay hain..or un k mu say nikli har dua kabool kartay hain....woh log apni sari zindagi main apnay liye kuch nahi mangtay...jo bhi mangtay hain doosro k liye...log un k pas apna masla lay kar jatay...or woh logo ko islamically us ka hal batatay or Allah ji say dua kartay..or Allah apnay naik bando ki dua sunta hay...so logo k problems hal ho jatay...
is tarha k hazaro lakho log is dunya main mojood hain..jo Allah ki khushi k khatir doosro ki madad kartay hain..or islam ki taleem detay hain..logo ko Allah k kareeb rakhtay hain...we Have QURAN-e-PAK but we are not able to understand its reall meaning...they ppl are for teach us...jis tarha dunya ki education k liye teachers hotay hain..isi tarha islamic education k liye bhi teachers hotay hain...the reall peers are our teacher...jinhay Allah nay hamari guidance k liye bheja..hamari madad k liye bheja..humain seedha rusta batanay k liye...hamari burayo ko mitanay k liye bheja..they are surely respectable...we shuld respect them and we should follow theri educations
baki raha asli nakli peer ka sawal..their are so many jali peers....jo such much Allah ka banda hay woh bina kisi matlab k islam ki education deta hay...bina pesay liye logo ki madad karta hay...or sab say bari nishani yeh hay k agar ap us k pas jaa kar sirf beth jao....jitna tym aap us k pas guzaro..us tym ka 90 percent hissa aap k dil main sirf Allah ki yaad aey gi....chahay aap us ki batain na suno...chahay usay dekho bhi na..lekin jitna tym us k pas raho gay...dil khud hi Allah ko yaad karay ga...
Jo Allah k naik banday hotay hain...woh jaha bethtay hain waha aasman tak rehmat k farishtay jama ho jatay hain..us jagah Allah ki rehmat baras rahi hoti hay....jo har anay walay k dil main utar jati hay...
Posted by: Brierfielder, Lancashire on 12:50am Thu 26 Jun 08
[quote][bold]imran[/bold] wrote:
[bold]bold[/bold] [bold]bold[/bold] brierfielder the banners wre in english and urdu and many of the chants wre in english gets ur fact rite brother, we the sunni go on to the streets and do the zikr of allah and recite the kalimah, them same street on the day of qiyamat will answer and reply that the gulams of mustapha came on to these streets and prayed naats, did allah zikr and prayed the kalimah.[/quote] Look, if you say so you're right. This piecemeal chanting is merely a tick box exercise. It won't be enough on the Day of Judgement. You really have to engage with the locals - not chant stuff.
imran wrote:
brierfielder the banners wre in english and urdu and many of the chants wre in english gets ur fact rite brother, we the sunni go on to the streets and do the zikr of allah and recite the kalimah, them same street on the day of qiyamat will answer and reply that the gulams of mustapha came on to these streets and prayed naats, did allah zikr and prayed the kalimah.
Look, if you say so you're right. This piecemeal chanting is merely a tick box exercise. It won't be enough on the Day of Judgement. You really have to engage with the locals - not chant stuff.
Posted by: Brierfielder, Lancashire on 12:52am Thu 26 Jun 08
[quote][bold]SUNY[/bold] wrote:
ALL IN URDU
na kisi banday nay humain kuch dena ..na kisi peer nay kuch dena...jo bhi dena ..mere moula nay dena...Allah k siwa kisi k hath na phelana...jo bhi mangna...bus Allah say mangna...jo kehta hay k peer sab meri mushkil hal kar day ga..woh ghalat kehta hay..peer nay kuch nahi karna...jo bhi karna..mere MOULA nay karna...
lekin Aaj agar islam zindah hay to NABI PAAK S.A.W or Allah k bhejay huay sab nabyo ki wajah say zindah hay..they are messengers of Allah ji...unho nay Allah ka message sab logo tak pohnchaya...aaj dunya main koi nabi nahi...Muhammad S.A.W Allah k akhri nabi thay...un k bad sahaba Akraam nay Muhammad S.A.W ki di hui taleem ko agay pohnchaya...har achay musalman nay islam ki taleem hasil ki..or usay forword kiya...or jinho nay apni sari zindagi islam k liye laga di..Allah ji nay unhay apnay khas bando main chun liya...unhay dunya main bhi izzat di..or akhirat main bhi k liye bohat makaam hay...Allah un logo say bohat pyar kartay hain..or un k mu say nikli har dua kabool kartay hain....woh log apni sari zindagi main apnay liye kuch nahi mangtay...jo bhi mangtay hain doosro k liye...log un k pas apna masla lay kar jatay...or woh logo ko islamically us ka hal batatay or Allah ji say dua kartay..or Allah apnay naik bando ki dua sunta hay...so logo k problems hal ho jatay...
is tarha k hazaro lakho log is dunya main mojood hain..jo Allah ki khushi k khatir doosro ki madad kartay hain..or islam ki taleem detay hain..logo ko Allah k kareeb rakhtay hain...we Have QURAN-e-PAK but we are not able to understand its reall meaning...they ppl are for teach us...jis tarha dunya ki education k liye teachers hotay hain..isi tarha islamic education k liye bhi teachers hotay hain...the reall peers are our teacher...jinhay Allah nay hamari guidance k liye bheja..hamari madad k liye bheja..humain seedha rusta batanay k liye...hamari burayo ko mitanay k liye bheja..they are surely respectable...we shuld respect them and we should follow theri educations
baki raha asli nakli peer ka sawal..their are so many jali peers....jo such much Allah ka banda hay woh bina kisi matlab k islam ki education deta hay...bina pesay liye logo ki madad karta hay...or sab say bari nishani yeh hay k agar ap us k pas jaa kar sirf beth jao....jitna tym aap us k pas guzaro..us tym ka 90 percent hissa aap k dil main sirf Allah ki yaad aey gi....chahay aap us ki batain na suno...chahay usay dekho bhi na..lekin jitna tym us k pas raho gay...dil khud hi Allah ko yaad karay ga...
Jo Allah k naik banday hotay hain...woh jaha bethtay hain waha aasman tak rehmat k farishtay jama ho jatay hain..us jagah Allah ki rehmat baras rahi hoti hay....jo har anay walay k dil main utar jati hay...
[/quote] This is an English Speaking Comments board - will you please translate?
SUNY wrote:
ALL IN URDU
na kisi banday nay humain kuch dena ..na kisi peer nay kuch dena...jo bhi dena ..mere moula nay dena...Allah k siwa kisi k hath na phelana...jo bhi mangna...bus Allah say mangna...jo kehta hay k peer sab meri mushkil hal kar day ga..woh ghalat kehta hay..peer nay kuch nahi karna...jo bhi karna..mere MOULA nay karna...
lekin Aaj agar islam zindah hay to NABI PAAK S.A.W or Allah k bhejay huay sab nabyo ki wajah say zindah hay..they are messengers of Allah ji...unho nay Allah ka message sab logo tak pohnchaya...aaj dunya main koi nabi nahi...Muhammad S.A.W Allah k akhri nabi thay...un k bad sahaba Akraam nay Muhammad S.A.W ki di hui taleem ko agay pohnchaya...har achay musalman nay islam ki taleem hasil ki..or usay forword kiya...or jinho nay apni sari zindagi islam k liye laga di..Allah ji nay unhay apnay khas bando main chun liya...unhay dunya main bhi izzat di..or akhirat main bhi k liye bohat makaam hay...Allah un logo say bohat pyar kartay hain..or un k mu say nikli har dua kabool kartay hain....woh log apni sari zindagi main apnay liye kuch nahi mangtay...jo bhi mangtay hain doosro k liye...log un k pas apna masla lay kar jatay...or woh logo ko islamically us ka hal batatay or Allah ji say dua kartay..or Allah apnay naik bando ki dua sunta hay...so logo k problems hal ho jatay...
is tarha k hazaro lakho log is dunya main mojood hain..jo Allah ki khushi k khatir doosro ki madad kartay hain..or islam ki taleem detay hain..logo ko Allah k kareeb rakhtay hain...we Have QURAN-e-PAK but we are not able to understand its reall meaning...they ppl are for teach us...jis tarha dunya ki education k liye teachers hotay hain..isi tarha islamic education k liye bhi teachers hotay hain...the reall peers are our teacher...jinhay Allah nay hamari guidance k liye bheja..hamari madad k liye bheja..humain seedha rusta batanay k liye...hamari burayo ko mitanay k liye bheja..they are surely respectable...we shuld respect them and we should follow theri educations
baki raha asli nakli peer ka sawal..their are so many jali peers....jo such much Allah ka banda hay woh bina kisi matlab k islam ki education deta hay...bina pesay liye logo ki madad karta hay...or sab say bari nishani yeh hay k agar ap us k pas jaa kar sirf beth jao....jitna tym aap us k pas guzaro..us tym ka 90 percent hissa aap k dil main sirf Allah ki yaad aey gi....chahay aap us ki batain na suno...chahay usay dekho bhi na..lekin jitna tym us k pas raho gay...dil khud hi Allah ko yaad karay ga...
Jo Allah k naik banday hotay hain...woh jaha bethtay hain waha aasman tak rehmat k farishtay jama ho jatay hain..us jagah Allah ki rehmat baras rahi hoti hay....jo har anay walay k dil main utar jati hay...
This is an English Speaking Comments board - will you please translate?
Posted by: muhammad khan, madina sadeey jaan hai on 1:01am Thu 26 Jun 08
why cant the barelvies and deobandies unite..
naa deobandi whoo na barailve,sirf huda vandi and muhamadi whoo,joar ka kaam karna,toar ka nahee..
may allah swt unite the muslim ummah, ameen
why cant the barelvies and deobandies unite..
naa deobandi whoo na barailve,sirf huda vandi and muhamadi whoo,joar ka kaam karna,toar ka nahee..
may allah swt unite the muslim ummah, ameen
Posted by: Nina, Blackburn on 11:58am Thu 26 Jun 08
Marches and Peer worship is Bidat and can also be argued to be Shirk. I am convinced these followers are mentally lost and fall in the hands of guys who like guys and get them to leave their families for them.(Gay)
Marches and Peer worship is Bidat and can also be argued to be Shirk. I am convinced these followers are mentally lost and fall in the hands of guys who like guys and get them to leave their families for them.(Gay)
Posted by: mohammed ahmed, herts on 12:18pm Thu 26 Jun 08
I am shocked at what people are saying, peer worship is bidat????? are you living in cukoo land, duhhhh , if you worship your peer how are you a muslim, as muslims worship allah only, and what pper have you seen that has said worship me, if there is one, i will be the first to beat him, give me proof that people worship their peer, talk about a disturbed mind, and this about them being gay, do you know that is haram in islam, so if someone advises you against shariat, how can he be a peer???? peer means rehber, or murshid,spiritual leader, he who initiates and guides you on the spiritual path, but also makes you adhere to the shariat, if he does not himself, he cant be a peer, some of the wahabbies here have no proof or basis to their argument, they just make up what they are saying, give me proof of one thing people have said on here, stop hiding and come out, we sunnis are happy to meet you anywhere, anytime, bring the most qualified scholar you have, we will bring our most qualified scholar, and then let the public decide, if the wahabbies dont run off with their books before the end, i will change my name to wahabb najdi, if you want a debate on all aspects, what is a peer, proof of bait, proof of milad, from ibn taymiya, deobandi books, yes read your own leaders books, oh but you probably havent, everyone of you think he or she is a scholar, you can do ijtihad on every matter when you probably dont even know the correct way toi do istinja
I am shocked at what people are saying, peer worship is bidat????? are you living in cukoo land, duhhhh , if you worship your peer how are you a muslim, as muslims worship allah only, and what pper have you seen that has said worship me, if there is one, i will be the first to beat him, give me proof that people worship their peer, talk about a disturbed mind, and this about them being gay, do you know that is haram in islam, so if someone advises you against shariat, how can he be a peer???? peer means rehber, or murshid,spiritual leader, he who initiates and guides you on the spiritual path, but also makes you adhere to the shariat, if he does not himself, he cant be a peer, some of the wahabbies here have no proof or basis to their argument, they just make up what they are saying, give me proof of one thing people have said on here, stop hiding and come out, we sunnis are happy to meet you anywhere, anytime, bring the most qualified scholar you have, we will bring our most qualified scholar, and then let the public decide, if the wahabbies dont run off with their books before the end, i will change my name to wahabb najdi, if you want a debate on all aspects, what is a peer, proof of bait, proof of milad, from ibn taymiya, deobandi books, yes read your own leaders books, oh but you probably havent, everyone of you think he or she is a scholar, you can do ijtihad on every matter when you probably dont even know the correct way toi do istinja
Posted by: mohammed ahmed, herts on 12:49pm Thu 26 Jun 08
someone mentioned earlier that the prophet never celebrated his birthday, well read bukhari sharif and all the mustanad books of hadith, there is a hadith which is from a strong chain of narrators so you cant use the old daeef hadith trick, the prophet was asked as to why he fasted on a monday, he said due to that being the day he was born, so the prophet specifically performed an action to celebrate his milad, so there is nothing wrong with celebrating it, be it fasting, giving food to people, express happiness, or have a juloos to let people know we are celebrating the birthday of the holy prophet, also, in another rivayat it has come that abu lahab met the holy prophets uncle hazrat abbas in a dream, and they enquired as to what was his fate after deathe due to him opposing the prophet in his lifetime, he told of punishment but he recieved relief every monday from his forefinger on his right hand, he would suck it and he would get something taht would lessen his pain, he futher explained for the milad doubters, that he had pointed with that finger at a slave upon hearing of the birth of the prophet, he released a slave by gesturing with that finger that she was free, thus he done something specifically with the happiness of hearing that a son had been born at his brothers house, and he still recieved benefit, if he as someone who opposed the prophet recieves benefit because of that one action on milad, why do we, as muslims not recieve benefit from celebrating milad, we have more reason to do so, as we are the ummatis of the holy prophet, and we should do say in anyway we can, also people have the problem with the word eid being attached, the reason is that the prophet said taht on whatever day humankind recieved allahs rahmat, that day is of eid, so even juma is classed as yaum e eid, so why is the day when allahs greatest rahmat came to all human kind not allowed to be called eid, either you have some bughz or hatred of the prophet that you ae always looking to degrade him, and dream of jannat etc, or qiyamat, qiyamat aint gonna be conducted on your dads orders, the whole universe was created because of the holy prophet, allah said that,had he not created muhammad, he would not have created anything, and so your jannat you wahabbies is because of the wasila of the prophet and qhat is going to happen on qiyamat, everyone will go to allthe prophets, until they reach hazrat isa, and they will say got to muhammad, he will be able to help you today, a thought is, if your concept of only asking of allah without any wasila is correct, why wouldnt the chosen of creation, the prophets, say, **** you, go directly to god, why did they all keep passing the buck to the next prophet, beacuse they know what is about to happen, subhanallah, oh sunnis, the day of judgement will be the greatest day that the aqeeda of the sunnis will be upheld, and when you get to hazrat isa, why dont he say, look the christians fell into this trap before and called me son of god, and went astray, dont get into these matters, got straight to god, NO, WAHABBIS NO, HE WILL SAY GO TO MUHAMMAD, HE IS AT THE FOUNTAIN OF KAUSAR, and when humankind will get there, then Hazrat muhammad, will bow before allah, and allah will say after some time oh muhammad rise, go to heaven, but other people with the name muhammad will rise also, and god will say not you, i am talking to muhammad ibn abdullah, but the prophet will say because they have risen now, let me take them to jannat also, so allah will agree because he is the all merciful, and so just because of having the name muhammad you will go to jannat, and the personality whos name it is you hold bughz with and say no milad, no salat o salam, and thereafter the holy prophet will intercede for the ummat, how unworthy you are of being an umaati of the prophet, who when born went straight into sajda and implored allah, rabi habli ummati, oh allah forgive my ummat, those of you who believe he didnt know of prophethood tiill he was in hira, are mistaken , also those of you who say he answered to gibraeel, that he was illiterate, no learn arabic syntax, learn it properly, you go round beating the drum about arabic, you dont even know, that the prophet replied to iqra bismi, ma ana biqareen 3 times, meaning, i am not a reader... MEANING I AM NOT A READER B
